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Hi I’d appreciate some help from a native/fluent reader of Japanese. A number of new articles have been created recently that have appeared in the queue for New Pages Patrol, including
Katō Yasutoki,
Yamazaki clan,
Takagi Masahira and
Matsudaira Yorisato (there are many others). All of these articles are sourced to the same half dozen offline sources, for which no page numbers are provided. I’d like some assurance that these sources exist and actually cover the topics described, as I fear they may perhaps just be there for decorative purposes to validate an otherwise unsourced or poorly sourced translation from ja.wiki. Many thanks
Mccapra (
talk) 22:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
Mccapra, thanks for this notification. I checked
Katō Yasutoki, and it is either an unmarked direct translation or a total machine translation of the Japanese article (which far predates this one).
WP:TNT may apply because there is no clean version that isn't a copyvio and there is no original contribution. As for the books that are listed, they exist. I don't have quick access to their contents, but given that the Japanese-language article does not cite them, I have no reason to believe that they corroborate the places in the article where they are being applied.
Dekimasuよ! 04:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The second source cited is about
Toyotomi Hideyoshi and there is no reason why a minor aristocrat from the 19th century would be discussed in a book on 16th-century Japan. This appears to be an attempt to mask the direct and/or machine translation as a cited article creation.
Dekimasuよ! 04:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Mccapra,
Takagi Masahira has the same problems (incorrect sourcing, pure machine/direct translation), but in telling ways. When names have articles on the Japanese Wikipedia, they appear to be transcribed to English correctly. But the Japanese-language article on Takagi Masahira has a redlink to "松平維賢" at the beginning of the biography section. The new English-language article gives the reading of the first name as "Yasuyosho" but it is actually "Korekata" and it is extremely unlikely that any Japanese speaker would guess "Yasuyosho". The correct detail could also have been determined if the "translator" actually looked for other outside sources with the information, such as
this. I am quite busy for the rest of the day, but this should be taken to
WP:ANI—a preventive and/or disruption block and copyvio deletions are in order. If you take this to ANI, please feel free to reference this section, and if further input from a Japanese speaker becomes necessary I can try to reply there later on. Best,
Dekimasuよ! 04:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Dekimasu: thank you I’ll try and put together an ANI case tomorrow.
Mccapra (
talk) 21:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi
Mccapra, I did follow up on this at
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wildlover22 and I'll be blocking Exam26 for the reasons noted there. That should make it possible to delete the problematic articles under
WP:CSD#G5. However, if there turns out to be any meaningful objection to the block, please do take this to ANI. Best,
Dekimasuよ! 22:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Actually I’ve moved all their creations to draft. The topics are all certainly or plausibly notable but just lack sources. If another editor wants to tidy the translations, verify the use of Japanese text (I discovered Exam26 does not read Japanese) and provide decent sources, there’s no reason why those articles should not be in mainspace.
Mccapra (
talk) 07:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Cool, I might salvage those if I have my sanity, so I'm putting that to my user page when I'm free.
ABG (
Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Request for comment: Naming of Sotetsu line stations
Could someone reassess
Taketoyo Line? I've tried my best to expand it to its potential but aren't sure if something is messed up or not.
ABG (
Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yasuke, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.
RomeshKubajali (
talk) 23:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Need photo in Kyoto
If anyone is in Kyoto and happens to visit the Kōdai-ji temple, a freely licensed photo of the android
Mindar would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
gobonobo+c 21:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Interesting article. Although I can't go there to take pictures, I translated the article into Japanese and posted notices on several pages requesting images. Good luck
狄の用務員 (
talk) 04:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Many of these family trees make it unclear whether or not they come from the
Nihon shoki or
Kojiki.
Also some of these family trees just looks bad.
What do you guys thing?
CycoMa1 (
talk) 21:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes I am aware that the first family tree at Jimmu is from the Kojiki. But the Consorts and children section still looks pretty bad.
CycoMa1 (
talk) 21:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I did forget to mention but many of these family trees were created by
Immanuelle. Who was blocked for
WP:CIR and
WP:DIS.
CycoMa1 (
talk) 23:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Requesting someone to check an article for accuracy
I tried my darndest to try to make sure that the sources used in
Puff-puff (Dragon Quest) are used accurately, but being that I ain't got Japanese knowledge, I can't guarantee that I didn't flub details. Would anyone be so kind as to check to see that I did? -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk) 22:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I checked the article's description against 10 Japanese sources.
As far as I could see, all the sentences that were sourced from the Japanese article were identified within the article from which they were sourced. There appears to be no contradictory descriptions in the article and the source.
In addition, all 10 sites are operated by companies with solid identities and appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria.
狄の用務員 (
talk) 21:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It is not uncommon to see a pronunciation, usually the perceived "correct" foreign (i.e. "English") pronunciation shown in
IPA as part of or alongside a brand name. E.g.
ɛ̃fini, or
Olympus μ [mju:] (as it should be written †). (There was a small section in the IPA article, sourced to a blog written by
John Wells, who is an international authority on all things phonetical, but it was removed for some stupid WP:REASON. So not much help available.) But the Olympus article has ended up being called "Olympus mju", which is simply nonsense. I put a comment on the talk page 10 years ago, as a result of which nothing happened. What would be the best way to go about sorting this out?
† The parenthetic bit is there because I don't know how to include something ending in ']' in a link.
Could someone from this WP:JAPAN take a look at
Kasane Teto? I don't know how the notability of fictional characters are assessed or whether this is related to the scope of this WikiProject (it looks like it might be), but I'm not seeing how this meets (at least at the moment)
WP:GNG or even
WP:NFICTION. Perhaps there something there worth
WP:DRAFTIFYing per
WP:NEXIST which is why it's probably better for someone who might be more familiar with this type of article to take a look at it. There is a Japanese Wikipedia article about the subject at
ja:重音テト which seems much more developed and which might be a helpful for additonal sourcing and expansion. FWIW, I came across the article via a recent Wikipedia Teahouse question
WP:THQ#Wikipedia:Piccadilly. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 08:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I have made a major revision to the introduction of the article. Kasane Teto is both a fictional character and software sold as synthetic singing voice software. It is well established both as a fictional character and as synthetic voice software, and I personally consider it to have sufficient NOTABILITY. Although I did not have time to do it this time, I think the article will be further enriched by translating the other half of the Japanese version.
狄の用務員 (
talk) 15:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks for doing that
狄の用務員. Just some suggestions for future reference. If you're going to be translating content from a Japanese Wikipedia article into English, please make sure you properly attribute the original source article as explained in
WP:TFOLWP; even if you first translate stuff into your user sandbox, you should makes sure to attribute not only for your sandbox but also for the article itself. In addition, if you're going to translating contact from Japanese Wikipedia and taking citations directly from Japanese Wikipedia, please remember things likes
MOS:LQ and
MOS:ALLCAPS, and make sure to convert the citation into a format accpetable for English Wikipedia (including updating the |access-date= after verifying the source). Japanese Wikipedia doesn't really follow
MOS:MOS so you can find lots different styles of being used for non-Japanese words
MOS:ALLCAPS, and it often uses zenkaku characters for brackets, punctuation marks, spaces, etc. It would also be helpful if you could use the |script-title=, |title=, |language= and |trans-title= parameters when adding citations to Japanese sources because it makes things that much easier for the reader. If you're not sure how to use these parameters, you can find examples in
Template:cite web. Finally, since Japanese Wikipedia doesn't really need to worry about
MOS:ENGVAR and
MOS:DATEUNIFY when it comes to its articles, please try to remain consistent with the style chosen by the article's creator when adding dates or other text content. Doing so may help reduce the amount of cleanup need later on and helps article remain consistent stylistically. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 01:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply