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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 00:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Shi De Yang
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Page has two unsourced sections, proposed deletion was removed with two citations added - these two citations have not satisfied the need for reliable, secondary citations on this page, of which I have previously been unable to find. CommissarDoggo Talk? 11:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Sportspeople. CommissarDoggo Talk? 11:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Buddhism, Martial arts, and China. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources. The subject passes
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
SourcesPeople are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
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"New Century article". 新世纪 [New Century]. 1995. Retrieved 2024-04-05 – via
Google Books.
The article notes: "释德扬俗名史万峰。 1967 年出生在河南太康县一个干部家庭。童年时期,他的邻居(一个出家少林寺又返俗的老人)经常向他讲起当年身穿大红袈裟,遍游名山大川的游僧生活,并私下向他传授一些少林功夫,使他幼小的心灵充满了当和尚和学习少林武术的向往。 1983 年初中一毕业,他便向父母提出了到少林寺出家的要求。在他软硬磨下,父母亲也只好同意了他的选择。他来到了梦寐以求的少林寺,拜在首座僧素喜禅师门下为徒,成了年龄最小的一名和尚。寺里生活清苦枯燥,处处受到清规戒律的约束不说,光是练功的苦,就让他吃不消。"
From Google Translate: "Shi Deyang's common name is Shi Wanfeng. Born in 1967 in Taikang County, Henan into a cadre family. During his childhood, his neighbor (an old man who became a monk in the Shaolin Temple and returned to secular life) often told him about the life of a wandering monk who wore red cassocks and traveled to famous mountains and rivers. He also taught him some Shaolin Kungfu privately, which made his young mind Full of yearning to become a monk and learn Shaolin martial arts. After graduating from junior high school in 1983, he asked his parents to become a monk in the Shaolin Temple. After being pushed hard by him, his parents had no choice but to agree to his choice. He came to the Shaolin Temple that he dreamed of and became a disciple under the first monk, Zen Master Suxi, and became the youngest monk. Life in the temple was hard and boring, and not only was he bound by strict rules and regulations, but the hardship of practicing martial arts was too much for him."
- Zhong, Yulan 钟玉岚 (2015-05-26).
"少林功夫大师释德扬西班牙传功讲禅" [Shaolin Kung Fu Master Shi De Yang teaches Kung Fu and Zen in Spain] (in Chinese).
Xinhua News Agency. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-02. Retrieved 2024-04-02.
The article notes: "释德扬大师１９６８年出生，１５岁开始习武，是少林功夫第３１代传人，曾担任多年少林寺武僧总教练。释德扬大师的徒弟中，比较为人熟知的当属电影《功夫》中“苦力强”、《叶问》中“武痴林”的扮演者释行宇。"
From Google Translate: "Master Shi Deyang was born in 1968 and started practicing martial arts at the age of 15. He is the 31st generation successor of Shaolin Kung Fu and has served as the head coach of Shaolin Temple monks for many years. Among Master Shi Deyang's apprentices, the more well-known ones are Shi Xingyu, who played "Coolie Strong" in the movie Kung Fu Hustle and "Wu Chi Lin" in Ip Man."
- Wu, Bo 吴渤 (2007-09-25).
"少林武术总教头自认是功夫本科生(组图)" [The chief Shaolin martial arts instructor considers himself a Kung Fu undergraduate (photo)].
Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2024-04-02. Retrieved 2024-04-02 – via
Sina Corporation.
The article notes: "德扬大师现在是少林寺辈分最高的人，住持的辈分比他还低了两辈。对于有人说释永信是佛门CEO，每天开宝马，用手提电脑，有几个秘书，有大学生提出，这似乎有悖于僧人刻苦修行的形象，而德扬大师回应：“这有什么不可以的。”"
From Google Translate: "Master Deyang is now the most senior person in Shaolin Temple, and abbot Shi Yongxin is two generations below him. Some college students said that Shi Yongxin is the CEO of Buddhism. He drives a BMW every day, uses a laptop, and has several secretaries. This seems to go against the image of a monk practicing hard. Master Deyang responded: "What's wrong with this?""
- Pearce, Elisha (2015-09-24).
"Shaolin Grand Master lends praise". Penrith City Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-05. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
The article notes: "The Emerald Dragon Martial Arts Academy hosted Grand Master Shi De Yang from the Shaolin Monastery in China — a 1500-year-old temple. He is the 31st Grand Master of the fighting monks and has lived in the monastery since he was nine. Considered the world's finest exponent of Shaolin kung fu, Shi De Yang was in Australia because the centre director, David Greenland, is his student."
- Welsch, Chris (1996-10-27).
"Zen, then and now - Inspired by a childhood love of the TV show 'Kung Fu,' a traveler visits the real Shaolin Temple. Appropriate to the place where Zen began, it's hard to say which is more improbable - the fiction or the reality".
Star Tribune. Archived from
the original on 2024-04-05. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
The article notes: "On the wall were posters of the monk we had come to see, Shi De Yang. At 28, he is one of the senior monks, in charge of teaching initiates kung fu and Buddhist doctrine. One of the posters shows Shi standing on a mountain top kicking straight up into the air - literally doing the splits vertically, the flat of his foot aimed at the sky, an intense mask of martial resolve on his face. The posters were from performance tours of Japan. He entered the room from his study in the adjoining room. He wore an orange robe that left one of his baroquely muscled shoulders bare. He shook our hands and, signaling for us to wait, disappeared outside. He returned smiling, with three ice-cold bottles of water."
Cunard ( talk) 11:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Of the sources provided, the first and third seem to be the only ones appropriate. The first because it's a good resource for his early life and how he came to be a monk and the third because it seems to be a pretty good interview.
- The second is more "he was here" than "this is about him" alongside some basic facts, which I suppose would assist the article, the fourth is much the same with less usefulness aside from where he's based (Works? Studies? Please correct me here, I'm genuinely curious) and the fifth more speaks to his character than anything else, alongside being a passing mention in a rather long article.
- There are still large swathes of the article that are completely unsourced as of yet, which really is the main concern here.
CommissarDoggo
Talk? 12:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I already know that you're willing to improve this article, so would you be willing to remove these unsourced sections and replace them with sourced content? You seem to be the best placed to do so. CommissarDoggo Talk? 12:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - That there are unsourced sections is not something solved via deletion; that is a surmountable problem and AfD is not cleanup. The sources present in the article and presented above show notability that meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. - Aoidh ( talk) 04:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.