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The result was redirect to Sarasota County Library System. Anything worth merging can be retrieved from the history. I note that at this point, I am unaware of any consensus that libraries are inherently notable (IMO, they're not). Randykitty ( talk) 16:47, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Shannon Staub Library
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Fails WP:GNG. Unable to locate any secondary sources which describe this local library in detail. Magnolia677 ( talk) 21:35, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- keep Public libraries, like schools, have (IMO) inherent notability - cf google -- Tagishsimon ( talk) 21:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- @
Tagishsimon: I looked at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Libraries for something about inherent notability of public libraries but was unable to find it. If you could please point me to consensus about this I will withdraw my AfD. Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 21:46, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Please look up IMO and put a pin in your bogus pomposity. thx. --
Tagishsimon (
talk) 21:59, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- What is the point of this personal attack? You could have provided a simple shortcut. For instance,
WP:IHN for describing inherent notability. –
The Grid (
talk) 14:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Partly my misunderstanding. I had no idea what "IMO" meant and assumed this editor was asserting that libraries have inherent notability, when in fact this editor was stating it was "in my opinion". "IMO", "CF", "THX"...IDGI.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 17:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you Magnolia677 for following up with explanation that you didn't understand what Tagishsimon meant. Hmm, i visited here a few times and did not understand your own post, what you meant by the sequence IMO, CF, THX, ...IDGI. Now I finally do, your point is that Tagishsimon used the first three, and then you used the abbreviation for "i don't get it". Ah. Okay, good, and it is a fair point about how we should strive to communicate clearly, for USian and other editors too (just to throw in some jargon that puzzled me in some other discussion, for the heck of it!). Thanks! -- Doncram ( talk) 03:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- Partly my misunderstanding. I had no idea what "IMO" meant and assumed this editor was asserting that libraries have inherent notability, when in fact this editor was stating it was "in my opinion". "IMO", "CF", "THX"...IDGI.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 17:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- What is the point of this personal attack? You could have provided a simple shortcut. For instance,
WP:IHN for describing inherent notability. –
The Grid (
talk) 14:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Please look up IMO and put a pin in your bogus pomposity. thx. --
Tagishsimon (
talk) 21:59, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- @
Tagishsimon: I looked at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Libraries for something about inherent notability of public libraries but was unable to find it. If you could please point me to consensus about this I will withdraw my AfD. Thank you.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 21:46, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 21:58, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 21:58, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't know about pomposity, but I do think that public libraries are basically notable as important institutions that are key part of social fabric. There are countless references in papers to events at the libraries and it is useful to have a Wikipedia page as a reference. It is okay to cover an individual library within an article about a library system instead, but here I don't see a library system article to which this could be merged, and the article seems fine as it is. The article has four sources separate from external link to a county page that seems to be the official page of info for the library, and that does not include no doubt numerous news articles about budgets and so on. The opening hours should be dropped though. -- Doncram ( talk) 05:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Some local libraries--like some elementary schools--are indeed notable. This isn't one of them. Except for
this source, which was cited in the article, there is trivial mention of this library in secondary sources (and no, Friends of Shannon Staub Library isn't a reliable source). Unless there is indeed some inherent notability to local public libraries, as User:Tagishsimon has asserted, then let's respect
WP:GNG, lest we have articles about every local public library and their poetry reading hours. I see that
Elsie Quirk Public Library, also created by this editor, was proposed for deletion by
User:DGG.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 13:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Given there is a new article on the library system with a section for this one, it is ok by me for this to be closed by "merge" to there, specifically to Sarasota County Library System#Shannon Staub Library. I still think "keep" is ok. "Merge" is preferable to "redirect" as a close because substantial material (including the reference accepted as independent and valid by several here) is being merged / has been merged to there. "Redirect" would be unnecessarily derogatory about the value of the article which was created, in my opinion. — Doncram ( talk) 20:21, 26 November 2018 (UTC) [revised 01:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)]
- Some local libraries--like some elementary schools--are indeed notable. This isn't one of them. Except for
this source, which was cited in the article, there is trivial mention of this library in secondary sources (and no, Friends of Shannon Staub Library isn't a reliable source). Unless there is indeed some inherent notability to local public libraries, as User:Tagishsimon has asserted, then let's respect
WP:GNG, lest we have articles about every local public library and their poetry reading hours. I see that
Elsie Quirk Public Library, also created by this editor, was proposed for deletion by
User:DGG.
Magnolia677 (
talk) 13:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Sarasota County Library System unless enough material can be provided to support the article on its own. – The Grid ( talk) 14:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to that. That is a new article created at 23:01 on 25 November 2018 by
User:Ksroush01, after this AfD was started. Thank you Ksroush01 for doing that. --
Doncram (
talk) 01:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- No problem! I realized it was new as well. Sarasota_County,_Florida#Museums_and_libraries could have sufficed as well. – The Grid ( talk) 14:08, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to that. That is a new article created at 23:01 on 25 November 2018 by
User:Ksroush01, after this AfD was started. Thank you Ksroush01 for doing that. --
Doncram (
talk) 01:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to the county system , which seems the obvious way to handle this,and the way we have almost always handled similar articles. The article here is no more than an directory entry. None of the sources meet the usual standards. Being a key part of the community fabric would extend our coverage way beyond our usual concepts of notability--for example, it would logically include every local church. DGG ( talk ) 16:13, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Public libraries are different from churches, which are private, are allowed to discriminate in certain ways, are not publicly funded, have no public info available in general or from, say, FOIL requests, etc. —
Doncram (
talk) 20:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- This is important. I'm gonna write an essay about this. Watch wp:ITSALIBRARY (currently a redlink). -- Doncram ( talk) 03:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- Public libraries are different from churches, which are private, are allowed to discriminate in certain ways, are not publicly funded, have no public info available in general or from, say, FOIL requests, etc. —
Doncram (
talk) 20:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Merge to the Sarasota County Library System. There is a little info in this article that can be added, therefore not just a Redirect. MB 14:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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