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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 09:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Miroslav Grujičić

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Contested PROD, no consensus that Serbian First league is fully pro. Original rationale: Player does not seem to have played in a fully professional league nor senior international football and so fails WP:NFOOTY. no indication of any additional achievements that have garnered sufficient significant, reliable coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 14:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - @ Sir Sputnik: I don't see the Serbian league on WP:FPL. Am I being totally blind or has it been removed in error? Happy to withdraw if it has been removed. Fenix down ( talk)
I missed that. The league probably is fully pro but without sources to confirm, we can't use that as a source of notability. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:12, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Perhaps @ FkpCascais: can help find a source? Giant Snowman 18:16, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Give me some time, but I have never dealt really with that issue of league professionality, all I know is that the top league of Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro/Serbia is professional since the 1970s. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:00, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Pardon me, the league was fully-professionalised in 1967 (source: "Moving with the Ball" by Pierre Lanfranchi and Matthew Taylor, pag. 119) and I beleave ever since that was not changed. But I´ll try to get a source for current state of the league. Any help is also welcomed. FkpCascais ( talk) 19:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC) reply
This is the document every player of SuperLiga needs to have, it is called "Professional contract" and within it includes the "point 2" where it has a place for including the players wage. (here is the Professional contract). Is this OK? FkpCascais ( talk) 02:42, 6 June 2014 (UTC) reply
There is a Serbian/English version ( here) however it doesn´t include a spot for adding players salary as the "only Serbian" version, which I posted above, does, but here it clearly says "Professional players contract" and every player needs to have one. FkpCascais ( talk) 02:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC) reply
It looks good, but unless I'm missing something the source doesn't actually say that all players are required to have such a contract. If you can source that we're all set. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 22:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC) reply
Hum, I see. That document is under a section (in the left column) which translated means "Contracts and documents regarding registration", and I already read that all players need to be registered (only registered players can play). I´ll try to find where I read that, it was somewhere in the documents regarding league regulations. Another question is that seems that same applies for the Serbian First League (second tier) as well. There are 2 contracts: the professional and another one for scholarship (which I am certain that is for players under 17, but I´ll try to bring where it says that). In the only Serbian version of the scholarship contract ( here) under Члaн 2. the first empty space is for adding the players salary. FkpCascais ( talk) 04:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep - We have always considered Serbian Superleague fully professional. It looks as though someone deleted this from WP:FPL without any discussion whatsoever in Talk. Looking at the league regulations it's quite clear that all the players must be licenced, with various quotas. Nfitz ( talk) 21:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC) reply
  • @ Nfitz: - I removed the Serbian SuperLiga from FPL as I have already said. There was a discussion that the only source present was not reliable, some leagues were then removed but others (including Serbuia) were missed. They have all since been removed. Giant Snowman 08:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC) reply
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