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The result was Bizarre adventure. The AfD is being closed many years later, because it was never properly closed back then, because it was never visible, because it was never transcluded on any of the daily logpages. Technically, it has still been open this whole time.
Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. jp× g 07:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC) (non-admin closure) reply
Article is self-written, and reads like a resumé. I can find no google hits on any of the quoted books. Therefore a non-notable journalist.-- Anthony.bradbury 20:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Bizarre adventure. The AfD is being closed many years later, because it was never properly closed back then, because it was never visible, because it was never transcluded on any of the daily logpages. Technically, it has still been open this whole time.
Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. jp× g 07:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC) (non-admin closure) reply
So you deleted my article on SRQ Racing, May I ask why? The site is non-for-profit, actually its a loosing venture since I pay it all out of pocket. Other for profit's such as Sarasota Herald Tribune and SNN 6 have an entry. SRQ Racing has been around for at least 5 years, and since I recently took ownership... its not going away anytime soon. We have meetings every Sat at 8pm near Hooters if you wish to see that we are real.
The result was Bizarre adventure. The AfD is being closed many years later, because it was never properly closed back then, because it was never visible, because it was never transcluded on any of the daily logpages. Technically, it has still been open this whole time.
Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. jp× g 07:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC) (non-admin closure) reply
Normally I don't do this, but this article seems a fairly apparent direct attack upon User:Kross. Non-notable, and violates WP:NPA. Rogue 9 06:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Merge into [[Carnegie Mellon University student organizations. Baseball Baby 06:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Only claim to notability is a planned 10th anniversary. savidan (talk) (e@)
The result of the debate was speedily kept as rewritten bio substub. FCYTravis 06:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC) reply
Vanity nonsense
FCYTravis 04:04, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Reads like an ad or plushy description and has little encyclopedic significance. ~ clearthought 00:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
(Auto)biography marked for speedy deletion, but notablity is asserted though the film credits listed. I don't believe that it establishes sufficient notablity for an article though. Thryduulf 00:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was MERGE into Wheel of Fortune. Herostratus 07:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Utter cruft of extremely limited interest and notability. — tregoweth ( talk) 00:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This AFD is hereby closed; I believe merging the most significant bits of text into
Pokémon Emerald and redirecting the page will be the most satisfactory outcome. —
Encephalon 10:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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The page is unimportant and doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Those caves only play a small role in the games and don't deserve to have an article of their own. They don't have any Pokémon in them but Groudon and Kyogre. The caves might deserve a section in their articles but not an article of their own. Hybrid 00:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was merge to Wheel of Fortune (American game show). I've decided to merge only the first section, on show records, and not list every grand prize winner or loser. But the stuff will be there in the history, and this is a wiki, after all. Mango juice talk 14:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Nonencyclopedic fancruft. —
tregoweth (
talk) 00:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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What's "fancruft"?
JTRH 01:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. -- Luigi30 ( Taλk) 14:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Nonencyclopedic fancruft. — tregoweth ( talk) 01:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy Delete per Omi8 below. --- GIen 08:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Fails
WP:CORP. Just 5 Google hits
here. Delete.
BlueValour 01:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I don't know what a wrestling move like "Loco Driver" is doing in an encyclopedia. This is basically a 3 sentence article if you fix it up without adding new information. It's mostly a definition and a description of how to execute it. Zephyr2k 01:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy Keep - CrazyRussian talk/ email 18:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Incomplete AFD nom found by User:DumbBOT, nom by User:74.132.122.141. Procedural nomination, so no vote from me. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 01:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. --- Deville ( Talk) 02:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Incomplete nom found by User:DumbBOT, nom by User:68.142.33.1. Procedural nom, so no vote from me. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 01:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable blog; previous prod removed by author of article. I get 36 Google hits on "Hollywood Thoughts" and "Crowley". -- Brianyoumans 01:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Incomplete nom found by User:DumbBOT, nom by User:Wikipediatrix. Procedural nom, so no vote from me. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 01:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was SPEEDY DELETE as a glaringly obvious personal attack. JIP | Talk 09:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
More World of Warcruft. Speedy and Prod removed, article says "This term has no intentions of offending or poke fun of any person that name yatfan" Yet it reads as somewhat of an attack. Wildthing61476 01:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Incomplete nom found by User:DumbBOT, nom by User:58.69.212.219. Procedural nom, so no vote from me. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 01:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Incomplete nom found by User:DumbBOT, nom by User:58.69.212.219. Procedural nom, so no vote from me. - Royalguard11 Talk My Desk 01:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Spamvertisement. Delete. BlueValour 02:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Merge/redirect. Xoloz 00:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The two individuals were only "knighted" last week, and have no history at all as a tag team under this name. fbb_fan 02:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Reads like a vanity-like biography and has little encyclopedic significance. Obviously self-promoting. See also here. ~ clearthought 02:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Founded in the year 2000; inactive after 3 years. Had at most 35 members. Not notable Zephyr2k 02:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not notable, rambling contextless information. Richardcavell 02:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was merge and redirect. --- Deville ( Talk) 02:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Another wrestling finisher. Just describes how to execute the move. Zephyr2k 02:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Nonencyclopedic listcruft (although, apparently, "Barney" uses a lot of public domain songs). — tregoweth ( talk) 02:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
seems like the aim of this page is to advertise the company Zephyr2k 02:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Probably hoax article. Full explanation on the article's talk page ( Talk:Jean-Pierre Deveraux). In the last 20 minutes the editor, an (his?) IP, and another account have been playing games with the article, removing the cleanup tags I've added, blanking it, then restoring the content, and blanking again once I re-add the tags. Giving it the full AfD to settle the matter. No evidence to back any claims made in the article. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 03:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Wp:not Eyui 03:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Spam Eyui 03:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete. No notability is asserted whatsoever, and it reads like an advertisement. But did we really need to bring this to afd? A prod tag would've done the trick, in my opinion. Picaroon9288• talk 04:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Article's writing style follows convention found in other companies in space: Silver_Creek_Entertainment PopCap_Games Dave635 18:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Interview with Founder on Gamezebo - top casual game site: [3] Dave635 18:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The article is similar to other companies in the space. Silver_Creek_Entertainment PopCap_Games
A few examples of top selling game status of Funkitron games Poker Superstars: [4] Scrabble: [5] Scrabble Blast: [6] Scrabble, Slingo: [7] Poker Superstars Top Favorite: [8]
One of the top companies in the space and sponsor of Casuality (top convention in space) [9]
Other places on the net that list funkitron: [12] [13]
Dave635 11:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was No consensus Luigi30 ( Taλk) 14:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
non-notable websites Eyui 03:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
New Note
I am not quite sure how wikipedia works, but from my breif reading on the policies, wouldn't the following awards and accolades be significant to warrant representation? For example, there are a number of independent sources that have recognised this as being significant (e.g. the Australian Government, business magazines, prominent competitions). I would think that receiving a governement grant and being recognised as one of the "top 10 coolest comapanies" in all of Australia (by a respected source) would be something that would be remembered in the future. Also that fact that there is over 150,000 members from over 140 countries is significant.
Awards and Accolades
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable neologism. Google brings up nothing related. Crystallina 03:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete neologism and original research. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 03:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This article claims that the subject is an internationally known DJ who plays in Europe and North America. One would think that such a high-profile DJ would have some sort of reliable sources talking about him. Well, a search came up with a total of 260 Google hits, only 18 of which showed outside of the "similar articles" selection. [15] These articles are MySpace pages, the artist's websites, and listings of DJs, as well as a couple of articles in (apparently) German that don't seem to be of substance. Thus, I feel that verification is lacking for this article. Looking at WP:MUSIC, about the only guideline that might be met would be the appearances in North America and Europe - but again, there are no reliable sources that I've managed to turn up referring to them. So, again, I don't believe the artist meets the guidelines at all, despite the claims of notability in the article itself. Finally, the editor who has done most of the work on this article is Most Wanted Club - which happens to be the name of the subject's business. Thus I smell an advertisement attempt, and at very least a failure of vanity guidelines. Delete unless someone can magic up some sources proving anything in it. Tony Fox (arf!) 04:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
"This article claims that the subject is an internationally known DJ who plays in Europe and North America."
THE ARTICLE DOES NOT CLAIM THIS !!! The only point the article refers to is that DJ SAY-G is booked in several countries. This does not mean that he (or whoever worte this text) claims to be internationally FAMOUS or KNOWN all over.
" 260 Google"
My research resulted in more results. However, this again does not deny any fact of the text given. As long as I understand the text, there is no phrase saying DJ SAY-G rules the Google Hits, nore doe sit represent his networking among international club promoters.
"appearances in North America and Europe - but again, there are no reliable sources that I've managed to turn up referring to them"
I don't know the company, but I think you can request a list of club references from Most Wanted Club Ent. with RELIABLE sources, such as telephone numbers to call and ask...
"User Name"
>>> this really lacks proof...anybody can choose any name to edit !!! Imagine you were a representative of the company and somebody judges you because of somebody chose your name.
" Thus I smell an advertisement attempt"
I don't see any advertisement attempt. It is an infomative text.
FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, IT'S A OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO !!!
NO NEED TO DELETE !!!
James Nickels — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
James Nickels (
talk •
contribs) - this editor has two edits, one here and one to the article being considered. I've refactored comments to move them below the initial deletion reason and eliminate an unnecessary header.
Tony Fox
(arf!) 04:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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I coincidentially read this page:
Are you people, who are critisizing really into Hip Hop? Do you really know the industry?
Be conscious...go ask yourself if you are a person, who really knows the DJ industry or a person who is good in Google-research?
If so, go delete every DJ here, who has less than 500 Google entries (or you as an expert should tell the number)...
"not to be dealing with someone astronomically famous" >>> If so, go delete the 10 % of Wikipedia people !!!
I agree: there is nothing wrong with the text. NO DELETION !
PLEASE DO NOT OVERESTIMATE YOUR RESEARCH TALENT and I agree: ASK FOR SOURCES from the agency....and see his website for International bookings...
I ask myself if the artist even knows about all this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.96.161.43 ( talk • contribs) - IP has exclusively edited the article in question. And removed the AfD tag from the article earlier. Coincidental! Tony Fox (arf!) 06:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
No sourcing, no reviews, no notability TerriersFan 04:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Keep but some strong arguments for delete so a future relisting is a distinct possibility depending on other factors relating to the character. Please note this article has been moved to Steel Chambers while the AfD was in progress. Tyrenius 21:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The character is not notable separately from the main Who Wants to Be a Superhero? article. There's nothing to the article that isn't already covered in the show's article. If the character should feature in either the comic or the movie based on the series then the article can be recreated but for now the article should be deleted. Otto4711 04:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
the dark enforcer was notable in his own right just as every characher from the show not just feedback the winner — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.25.96 ( talk • contribs)
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Copy of [16]. Wikipedia is not a speech repository. Besides, the copyright is troubling; it's licensed as noncommercial, which is incompatible with GFDL. Finally, WP:NOR, and non-notable. Melchoir 04:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was speedy delete A7.-- Andeh 10:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Vanity page on non-notable college student Dsreyn 04:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Merge into Duke Nukem 3D. Baseball Baby 05:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This article is just regurgitated information that was copied from the main Duke Nukem 3D article. The subject in question doesn't need its own article, the content isn't unique, and the article is orphaned on top of it. Therefore, it should be deleted. TerminX 04:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
SATS is fully accredited by South African government.
The result was delete, all WP:V information on this group is already in List of collegiate a cappella groups and there is thus nothing to merge. --- Deville ( Talk) 02:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Only claim to notability is: "They achieved minor internet fame when a video of them performing a medley of Nintendo theme music was released." No meaningful media coverage, no competitions, nothing. savidan (talk) (e@) 04:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete, nothing WP:V to merge to List of collegiate a cappella groups --- Deville ( Talk) 02:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Best claim to notability is a Valentines Day gig at their own University. savidan (talk) (e@) 04:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Only out of campus claim to notability is an alleged sideshow performance an ESPN dunk contest. Page primarily contains inside jokes and an appeal for prospective members to join. savidan (talk) (e@) 04:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This page has been cleaned up and should no longer be marked for deletion.
The result wasDelete, this is a copyvio. —— Eagle ( ask me for help) 04:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Part travel guide, rest Vanispamcruftisement. Originally prodded, tag removed by author. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 05:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Advertisement for a non-notable product line. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 05:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Only claim to notability is having recieved guidance from a member of the marginally-notable King's Singers. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was speedy deleted Thryduulf 08:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Vanity page of non-notable person. Zero Google hits. Speedy deleted repeatedly and repeatedly brought back, so I'm bringing it here for some permanance. Delete and Protect from Recreation is my vote. Danny Lilithborne 05:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Also nominated under this AfD:
The result was delete, as info already in merge target. JPD ( talk) 10:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Claim to notability is a dubious claiam that they are "pushing the boundaries of contemporary a-cappella music." savidan (talk) (e@) 05:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Merge/redirect. Xoloz 00:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability outside a several performances at their own Vanderbilt University. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
As I have now added, the group is quite notable and has been contacted by many other groups across the country and the world. The Oxford Alternotives performed a tour in the U.S. and chose Vandy Taal as an a cappella group to perform with. Even though the Alternotives only sing Western music, they passed on the chance to perform with Vanderbilt's other a cappella groups and instead chose Vandy Taal. Other universities have also contacted the group, but because of financial and scheduling reasons beyond the control of Vandy Taal, the group is currently unable to travel for performances while maintaining enough money to record its songs. However, the group is currently working for an increased budget from Vanderbilt University and hopes to attain the financial means to travel off campus for performances. Docatur 23:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete, info already at merge target. JPD ( talk) 10:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Only claim to notability is hosting a concert for other non-notable groups. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
A7, Unremarkable person/vanity page - Subject is little more than a political candidate. Somnabot 05:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
i agree that this is set up as a vanity page and should be completely rewritten without such bias; however, i am not convinced that he doesn't "deserve" a wikipedia entry given his appointments and political clout. Desert boy 15:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups. Mango juice talk 14:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability other than performing 1-3 concerts on their own campus per semester. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was speedy deleted Thryduulf 08:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability other than a "high standard of musical excellence." savidan (talk) (e@) 05:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Delete. Admittedly, by strict tally, this argument is on the verge of being "no consensus." Considering that the keep arguments fail to engage on matters of policy (deferring instead to personal beliefs regarding the site's quality), the strength of argument weighs in favoring of deletion. The complete lack of reliable sources decides the matter; but, I will happily userfy for anyone willing to search out such reliable sources. Xoloz 00:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This article features no serious claim to (or proof for) notability for this website as required by WP:WEB. Although it has an Alexa ranking of 20,814, it does not appear to have any noteworthy Google coverage ( 516 hits, mostly from porn sites). Contested prod. Sandstein 05:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete -- Samir धर्म 05:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. Only claims to notability (other than their name) are competing in (but not winning) the ICCA and the dubious and unreferenced claim that they are the only group that performs original material. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
(The claim, more accurately, is that they perform only original material, i.e. they write everything they perform. This is very different claim from the one you state, Savidan. Please read the article carefully before trying to make a decision, guys.)
The people responding are experts who would know the state of the a cappella world. They are the president of the Contempory A Cappella Society of America, the founder of Mainely A Cappella, and the executive director of the ICCA competition respectively:
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:16:04 -0700 From: Deke Sharon <deke@totalvocal.com> To: Don Gooding <don@a-cappella.com> Cc: Amanda Grish <agrish@varsityvocals.com>, Michael Barrientos <mbarrien@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: Any college a cappella groups that perform all-original music? Mike, Other than Stanford Fleet Street's recent album of all original music (which I think was a one-time project, not a permanent direction), I know of nothing in your all-original league. I think you're safe calling yourselves the first and only all-original collegiate a cappella group. Congrats! On Sep 8, 2006, at 6:08 AM, Don Gooding wrote: > Hi Mike- > > I concur with Amanda - I don't know of any others. But Deke would > indeed be the guy who'd know, as he's the biggest promoter of contemporary > a cappella groups doing originals. > > At 12:24 AM 9/8/2006, Amanda Grish wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > > > There are none that I know of personally. Have you talked to Don Gooding or > > Deke Sharon? They would be your best resource. Don Gooding is "friends" with > > many a cappella groups on My Space, so he might have a more recent idea. > > Don? > > > > Good luck Mike. Hope we'll be hearing from Noteworthy this year! > > > > Amanda > > > > On 9/7/06 6:21 PM, "Michael Barrientos" <mbarrien@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote: > > > > > I'm an alumnus of the UC Berkeley a cappella group Noteworthy. > > > <http://ucchoral.berkeley.edu/ucchoral/nworthy>. The group is trying to > > > check if the claim is true that they are currently the only a college a > > > cappella group that performs only original music without any covers. I > > > figured BOCA would have the best chance of knowing of any other college > > > groups that exist that do not perform covers of songs. > > > > > > To the best of your knowledge, is there any other collegiate group that > > > you have run into that is performing only their own original music, past > > > or present? If you cannot answer this question, do you know of other > > > resources who would know if this is true or not? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > -- > > > Mike Barrientos - mbarrien@cal.berkeley.edu > > > > > > > ___________________________ > > Amanda Grish > > Varsity Vocals > > ICCA Executive Director > > ICHSA Executive Director
I might also argue in this case that Noteworthy may satisfy the following guidelines of
WP:MUSIC:
Thank you for going out of your way to attempt to verify the "all-original" claim. However, private email correspondences do not meet the verifiability standards of Wikipedia. As for the composing songs, that criteria is in the "other" category, i.e. not a criteria for a musical group persay.
The claim about about reaching the "ICCA quarter finals" is not contained in the article (or sourced online as far as I can tell). I would argue that this does not meet that requirement anyway, as the ICCA contains many, many categories of awards, and 8 different groups would reach quarterfinals in each. I don't think that is sufficient. savidan (talk) (e@) 00:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply
What falls under the "other" category? Some may argue that a cappella falls "outside of mass media traditions".
If a local newspaper or school newspaper were to make a mention of the all-original claim (I'd have to research, but I'm sure any article on Noteworthy would have mentioned this), would that qualify for verifiability? Once sourced properly, would the only all-original collegiate group be enough to make the group "Noteworthy" enough? (pun fully intended)
As for sourcing the quarter finals thing (which I'll put in the main article if it's kept): http://www.varsityvocals.com/icca/results.shtml - 2006 quarter finals results, West Region, University of Oregon If quarter finals aren't enough.... I guess they'll just have to make it further in this year's ICCAs. :-) (The same guy as before) 12.191.193.147 01:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete, info already at merge target. JPD ( talk) 10:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability other than its alleged "integration of top-notch musicianship and between-songs sketch comedy." savidan (talk) (e@) 05:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I have deleted this article under the
WP:CSD criterion A7. Regards —
Encephalon 10:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability other than some low-profile concerts in their hometown. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete, infor already at merge target. JPD ( talk) 10:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability beyond their own campus. First nomination was not decided on notability, but was the result of a namespace dispute with other groups of the same name. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups. Mango juice talk 14:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability outside of their campus, except for some alleged low-key tours to other colleges. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups. Note that unlike BlueValour says, this would actually discourage recreation more than removal of the article. Mango juice talk 14:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to notability outside of their campus except for generic low-profile touring. savidan (talk) (e@) 05:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I find the nominator's and User:Satori Son's comments compelling. This AFD is hereby closed and the associated page deleted. Regards —
Encephalon 10:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
About a not-notable animated television pilot. "Even though the pilot tested highly with focus groups it was not picked up as a regular series." Originally PRODDED. Prod removed without comment by User:Lesserredpanda. <200 Google hits, not all about subject. Most are about, well cat food, Nancy Reagan and Kitty Kelly. :) Dlohcierekim 05:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Of all the cockamamie BS listed on this site and you want to remove a real animated short created by Disney? One that exists on imdb and links to actors, writers and directors on this very site? Whatever.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.34.244.66 ( talk • contribs) :) Dlohcierekim 12:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
-- - GIen 06:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) I was going to speedy this however thought I would get some feedback first (so speedy tagged instead of deleting however creator has removed the tags twice - and no doubt would remove a prod). So here we are. No real notability shown in article, in fact it reads like a commercial. Look forward to others feedback - GIen 06:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Sorry, I did not mean to delete tags. I was still editing the article and they must have gotten deleted when I pasted revised copies from my Word document. It is my first article and I'm still not exactly sure how this all works.
How can I make it sound less like a commercial? I am just explaining how the site and company works.
[user:Jennifercifuentes]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable church youth group. -- Haakon 06:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete - socking is futile. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable self-published book, seemingly based on a non-notable blog. The advert for the book linked on the page as a source doesn't even have a picture of the book, it has a mock-up of sorts. 'Delete. Mak (talk) 06:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
One of the awards shows to be a "Book of the Year" by Writer's Digest Other press associations are Fast Company (magazine), Business 2.0 Magazine, Success etc.. I also noticed that the paper mentioned above Telegraph of Nashua has a review and schedule of author appearances at Barnes and Noble, Borders Group and other Book Sellers and Hippo Press has several entries.
Doesn't appear to get more legit than this? I wonder if the reason for deletion is not the notabilty issue?? Appears to be motivated by character assasination or religious belief as this seems to have taken a nasty turn with personal insults. Based upon notabilty this is an obvious keeper. Sorry about the anon i'm at work and I'll sign in later.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.202.37.96 ( talk • contribs)
You know, that's exactly what Ken Lay needed: the cause of suffering is desire. Still think he would have done the same thing. This is garbled nutcase business management text that not even the most stonecold of yoga attenders in the Simi/Seemy Valley would pick up. NN, vanity, spam.Delete.- Kmaguir1 08:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete - Problems with rampant OR have been identified, the page consists of a set of one-line anecdotes, and WP:OR is a fundamental pillar of encyclopedic integrity. This concerns have not been refuted by the opposition, who want to wait for expansion - The page has been moved to User:Whitesurf/Armed Conflict and Proselytizing for work until a non-OR version can be produced. As with yesterday, angry complaints/inquiries please direct to my talk page. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Essay, non-enciclopedic abakharev 06:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 23:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I've nominated this article for deletion, as the text is written in future-tense, though the dates have already passed. Aside from being orphaned, nothing seems to point to this page, which would indicate that is has no inherent value. Kevin 06:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete --- Deville ( Talk) 03:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Vanity, fails WP:BIO abakharev 06:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy Delete by WP:CSD#G4 reposted material previously deleted. --- GIen 07:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Article about a band that does not yet appear to meet WP:MUSIC. -- The Anome 06:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was test page for userification -- Samir धर्म 08:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete. As it says, this is not the article, just a testpage, so shouldn't be cluttering up WP, let alone be listed in a category.
Smerus 07:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not notable neologism. Only one google reference abakharev 07:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
It's a bunch of schoolkids doing proto-Jackass. Previously New generation stunt men has been speedy deleted, see User talk:NGSM2000. Budgiekiller 07:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 17:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable poker player. Article is unreferenced, uncategorized and contains POV. Delete Essexmutant 07:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Do not delete, just remove POV. BK is a well-respected poker player and a moderator at the popular twoplustwo.com. -- Fudgenut 02:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was MERGE into Classes in World of Warcraft. The raw totals are 9 Delete, 2 Keep, 4 Merge. Merge preserves the material, so collapse that into 9 Delete the material, 6 Keep the material in some form. That alone is not enough of a statistical edge to make a deletion a no-brainer. The argumentation is about equal. Therefore, no consensus to delete, defaults in this case to merge, since most of the Keep-the-material comments were to merg. Most of the merge votes were to merge the material. A couple of the Merge votes were to merge the material into the separate articles for each class, but these seem not to exist, so I merged into Classes in World of Warcraft. Herostratus 15:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Game guide. Delete just like Warcraft III units and structures ( AFD) and many more. Punkmorten 08:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm not sure that having a podcast, and running a message board (even if it is a massive one) is sufficient to make you notable. Searching for his name does bring up lots of google hits, but they are not all references to him. Ladybirdintheuk 08:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Polar bear swim club that swims in Long Island Sound in winter. No real claim to notability in the article. Three GHits all from wikipedia or mirrors [22] -- Samir धर्म 08:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Unencyclopedic contested prod, looks like some sort of advertising. MER-C 08:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Blatant spam, prod contested. MER-C 08:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was a-ha, delete! - Mailer Diablo 10:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not a very good article, and I don't believe that she's a notable person. All Google hits for her name (in quotation marks) were for Wikipedia or similar types of site. Dancarney 08:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to Homophobia. There are sources here, but the article is completely and utterly redundant with that article and/or societal attitudes towards homosexuality.-- SB | T 23:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
DicDef. Nothing useful here that can't be handled by a Wiktionary entry, to the limited extent that the term even exists as a distinct word. Article is just an exercise in polemics. Herostratus 08:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete Goldfritha 18:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Note: I am keeping my vote to delete. That said, I wanted to point out to editors that Britcom is attempting to replace the word homophobia with Anti-homosexualism in a number of articles on Wikipedia, such as Ku Klux Klan. I believe this type of POV pushing is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Finally, while I understand why some people would want to use Anti-homosexualism over homophobia, this is a debate that--yet again--does not belong at Wikipedia. If Britcom can convince the world at large to accept the term, he/she is welcome to come back here and restart the article. Otherwise, delete it.-- Alabamaboy 13:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Founder of the website Moab World (which has no traffic ranking), and the "not so famous" Moab band, "The Shed" says it all. Punkmorten 08:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups. Mango juice talk 15:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No real claim to notability. The closest it comes is: "The New York Times has reportedly called the Zumbyes "the most dangerous acapella group" but this has yet to be confirmed." savidan (talk) (e@) 09:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups Mango juice talk 15:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No real claim to notability other than a trivial reference to some of their lyrics in an alleged book about college culture. savidan (talk) (e@) 09:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups. Mango juice talk 15:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable college a cappella group. No claim to any notability at all outside of their campus. savidan (talk) (e@) 09:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups. Mango juice talk 15:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
College a cappella group which fails WP:MUSIC. Travelling with the school's glee club and collaborating with other non-notable groups is not a claim to fame. savidan (talk) (e@) 09:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE. Herostratus 17:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
College a cappella group which fails WP:MUSIC. Claims to have sold 100,000 cds but there is no verifiable, third party source for this. savidan (talk) (e@) 09:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a cappella groups (might as well). Mango juice talk 15:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
College a cappella group that doesn't even attempt to make a claim that would satisfy WP:MUSIC savidan (talk) (e@) 09:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to List of collegiate a capella groups (might as well). Mango juice talk 15:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
College a cappella group which doesn't meet the standards of WP:MUSIC. The first nomination, which was closed as no consensus, contained such gems as "Sorry if you Wikipedia snobs think that it is unworthy." savidan (talk) (e@) 09:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. JPD ( talk) 10:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
List cruft. I did begin to wikify this article, but none of these companies have articles about them that I could find (I only looked for the first 40 or so!). I don't feel this adds anything, unless someone feels like writing articles for all the companys. Ladybirdintheuk 09:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Article written in Italian that has not been translated despite being tagged on 6 August. There is a note on the talk page to say that a corresponding article on the Italian wiki was deleted as self promoting spam. I guess we don't really need to keep this as it is and there seems to be no effort to improve it so I suggest we Delete it. Spartaz 09:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The page fails to meet the “
Verifiability” and “
Reliable sources” requirements of the encyclopedia. I have deleted it. —
Encephalon 11:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
Prod removed by anon without explanation. My original prod said "Probably a vanity creation. In any case fails WP:WEB quite clearly." Pascal.Tesson 10:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Contested prod; a reason for contesting was given on Talk:Maplewiki (effectively the Pokemon test), but I disagree; Alexa worse than 1000000, no real assertions of notability. -- ais523 10:13, 1 September 2006 ( U T C)
If I were to reattach this to Mapletip.com, the maplewiki.net domain was RECENTLY purchased as you can see on Whois, therefore the Alexa ranking is DEFINETLY low. And also, unique google hits will also be low due to the newness. When Maplewiki was attached to Mapletip, it obtained MANY articles with many people helping every day. But now, you are going with a new domain that was recently purchased for Maplewiki. Please reconsider. Sources, are of coures in the Maplewiki itself.
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. ( http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: MAPLEWIKI.NET Created on: 18-Aug-06 Expires on: 18-Aug-07 Last Updated on: 19-Aug-06
-- Mapletip 15:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Wait, so you mean the articles itself are unreliable as in no sources? If you're talking about the monster database the source is Mapletip itself, which is very relibale as we have built it ourselves. Please before you delete tell me what is 'unreliable'. 68.78.148.16 16:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Very well, delete it for now, I will remake the article when we fix the issue. Mapletip 18:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
It is impossible to verify any of the details prevented on the Black River House website and other pages written by the site's owner through independent sources. No other articles on the Marchant case, even eleven years after the site claims the news broke upon the public, despite the highly sensational nature of the incident. No other articles on the dramatic and enigmatic disappearance of the band The Secret Method. No other articles on 2005 suicide at the house, aside from a PDF copy of a BBC article which may not be written in a professional tone and cannot now be located on the BBC website proper. Town of Kildubhan, Ireland does not appear to exist outside of references to the site. Book which the site's author claims to have written, published by Random House, does not appear to exist; should be some reference even if the edition was limited. Very probable hoax or publicity stunt. -- PegasusGrrl 11:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Contested prod (no reason given for contesting). Neologism and blatant advertising; needs serious cleanup if kept. -- ais523 10:20, 1 September 2006 ( U T C)
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply
delete as failing WP:MUSIC. I also nominate his band Smash-Up Derby. The band does not appear to have toured or had any records released per criteria laid down in WP:MUS. Only trace is a demo record. No entry on allmusic. The entry for Smash-Up Derby was created by Adrian Roberts. Ohconfucius 10:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was redirect to Sombrero Galaxy. JPD ( talk) 10:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This object may not exist. A detailed explaination is presented on the Sombrero Galaxy page under "Environment". Basically, some papers using one group identification method have determined that M104 is part of a group (references include the Nearby Galaxy Catalogue by B. Tully, Groups of galaxies within 80 Mpc. II - The catalogue of groups and group members by P. Fouque et al., and Nearby Optical Galaxies: Selection of the Sample and Identification of Groups by G. Giuricin et al.) whereas other group identification methods have determined that M104 is not (references include General study of group membership. II - Determination of nearby groups by A. Garcia and Nearby Optical Galaxies: Selection of the Sample and Identification of Groups by G. Giuricin et al.). The creator of the article used this page within the Atlas of the Universe website to create this page but misunderstood the reference, which did not place M104 within a group. The Atlas of the Universe website itself does not definitively state whether M104 belongs in a group; two different pages within it contain contradictory information. (Note that the Atlas of the Universe website uses the Tully, Fouque et al., Garcia, and Giuricin et al. references given above. The original references are more useful than the Atlas of the Universe website.) Since it is unclear as to whether a "M104 group" exists and since this is already discussed thoroughly in the Sombrero Galaxy article, the M104 group of galaxies article should be deleted. George J. Bendo 10:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer D iablo 19:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Consider this may effectively be advertising. Speedy delete removed as was prod. Although improved and has Ghits still reads like PR for company, opinions sought Nigel ( Talk) 11:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I am afraid that this subject simply lacks the
reference
base to support an
encyclopedia article. Thus, delete. Regards —
Encephalon 11:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
Contested prod about a non-notable blog. MER-C 11:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Bobet 12:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Probable hoax, google turns up 0 hits for the show and the alleged actors. Riley O'Harris, created by the same user, has been speedied already. Cactus.man ✍ 11:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Mango juice talk 15:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Probably a hoax. Most of the text of this article is copied from http://www.eurocouncil.org/, which doesn't look like website of serious international organization. I can't find any other reference to this group. When you google "The European Council" TEC – it turns up a lot of results, but TEC means Treaty establishing the European Community, so it seems that all the results refer to the European Council. -- Filemon 12:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I think Philemon is clearly excessive in his highly biased "entry-cleansing" zeal: to me, this looks like any other European think-tank albeit an embryonic one, because it was founded quite recently.
Plus TEC clearly claims to be "independent and research-oriented" which removes all ambiguity and/or risk of it being confused with an official EU ministry or department.
I think we should definitely keep this entry.
Maybe Philemon (who seems to be a rightwing Polish
irredentist...) doesn't like these guys because their vision of Europe includes Russia?.
The two user accounts (
Solferino and
DrVega2) were created today, slightly after user
Saint Germain (creator of this article) tried to remove AfD notice from the article. Solferino and DrVega2 removed AfD notice too, making
completely false allegations. It is quite obvious that these users are sockpuppets of user Saint-Germain, who tries to defend his hoax. --
Filemon 14:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
The result was delete. - Mailer D iablo 19:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Strong suspicion of a hoax per lack of Google hits. AfD instead of prod because I want more eyes on it in case this is real. - CrazyRussian talk/ email 12:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Delete. Tyrenius 00:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable (even optional) town from Final Fantasy VII with little relevence to the overall storyline. Also contains a fair bit of fanon. Exists in as much detail as really needed on List of Final Fantasy VII locations Made2Fade 12:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Bobet 12:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This horribly formatted article appears to me like an advertisement/press release for this organisation. A Google search for the exact name puts out 647 results, which is very little; ergo, I think the relevance of this organisation for an encyclopaedia is very low. Since its inception, the article had 19 edits, all but two of them by one user, MGBlankenship -- Florian Prischl 12:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Delete. My reading of the debate is that there is a good case for an overview trilogy article that covers all three films, but the previous text on this page did not fulfil that adequately, so the article should be deleted as it stood. As it happens, it was turned into a disambig page during the debate, and there is a need for a disambig page. However, this is not really suitable as no one is likely to search for "Scream (trilogy)". I have therefore added Scream 2 and Scream 3 to the existing Scream disambig page to meet the need more usefully. If I have misread this and there is a need for a "Scream (trilogy)" disambig, then I will undelete it. As it stands, it can be recreated with good content, if anyone wishes, for an overview article. Tyrenius 00:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Redundant of Scream (film), Scream 2 and Scream 3, all of which are more developed than this article. I didn't notice anything new worth merging. ccwaters 12:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Change - we could change the article into a disambigua page about the films. If not, then delete.-- andrew 15:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
No reliable sources for this information. All of it seems to be from a single site which doesn't seem to carry any legitimacy with it. Delete as not verifiable through reliable sources. Wickethewok 12:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Spam, does not assert notability. Contested prod. MER-C 12:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was No consensus so keep. Tyrenius 00:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Obvious ad for a non-notable company. WEVZ 13:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep, the people from SA say so, and they should know. It gets 100 google news hits in the last week so it's hard to argue with the media coverage angle. - Bobet 12:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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New company, launched yesterday. Looks like a startup with hopes of becoming a major competitor to the existing telecom monopoly in South Africa. Most of their services won't actually be available until next year. Google for neotel "south africa" doesn't turn up much, mainly press releases (there are other Neotel's in multiple countries). At this point, they've got investors and a lot of plans. Seems to me this isn't up to WP:CORP yet, and is rather crystal-ballish as to whether it will become a major company. Fan-1967 13:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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The result was No consensus so keep. Nom withdrawn, no other participants. Tyrenius 23:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Advertisment, disguised as an article -- TexMurphy 13:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was MERGE into PZ Myers. The raw total were 6 Keep (1 being Keep or Merge), 3 Delete (1 being Delete or Merge), and 8 Merge. 1 Keep vote is that editor's only edit so far, so if we disregard that and elect to read both the "...or Merge" comments as Merge leaves 4 Keep, 2 Delete, and 10 Merge. That seems to be quite a clear consensus to merge, and although the comments regarding the non-notability of the article subject are well taken, they don'd seem to be enough to overcome the general consensus to merge, in my opinion. Herostratus 17:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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POV article, poorly written article on non-encyclopedic content.
A semi-supported half-joke argument against creationism. Possibel internet phenomenom. I'm putting more under Things made up in school; teachers can make things up too. PZ Myers and Jim Pinkoski deserve articles, but not this one-part-of-the-joke concept.-- ZayZayEM 13:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ or www.pandasthumb.org/ or www.talkorigins.org
It is definitely most popular on Pharyngula but appears in message boards on all three I have also seen it on others that are less well frequented by me.
Here are a few to start you of with from pandas thumb
"But how does this explain PYGMIES & DWARFS? ;)" http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/04/latest_fossil_f.html#comment-96276
"I haven’t read the full thing yet. I’m hoping it explains pygmies and dwarves." http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/03/finally_someone.html#comment-90893
Pandas thumb readers are certainly used to it. “That calls for another round of “how is it there are PYGMIES + DWARFS??” … http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/07/super-mutant_ki.html#comment-39593 www.pandasthumb.org/
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
De-prod by article creator. Article was expanded substantially after de-prod but none of the revisions address the lack of verifiability. Only 4 unique google hits. Irongargoyle 13:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete, this is a canonical example of a WP:POVFORK. I'm sure some (a small subset) of this material can be merged into Sweetest Day. I will userfy the article since the author put much work into it, and again I think that some of this information can be moved to Sweetest Day if it is done in a NPOV way. --- Deville ( Talk) 19:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This is a WP:POVFORK of Sweetest Day and the creator moved the content from here, apparently because he was unhappy with the edits being made at Sweetest Day. Essentially this article exists to advance the notion that the popularly attributed creator of Sweetest Day was not truly involved in its creation, but rather it was created by a cabal of 12 candy makers. Calling this a "hoax" is an inference based on the primary source The Cleveland Plain Dealer October 8, 1921 and October 8, 1922 editions (see photos here). There simply is no concrete evidence of a hoax here and stating that as fact constitutes original research unless an external source is produced that clearly advances this idea. The only source I've seen so far that supports this notion is the article creator's own website. I've no objection to the factual information from this newspaper article being Merged back into the Sweetest Day article (and as can be seen here I think we were very close to a good version of the article incorporating the newspaper source), but this POVFORK should be Deleted.-- Isotope23 14:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
<<Discussion>> <<Do not remove or modify other people's comments even if you believe them to be in bad faith (unless the user has been banned from editing the relevant pages or is making a blatantly offensive personal attack). >>
Comment The actions of Recury and Antaeus Feldspar on this discussion page constitute the exact type of deletion/editing of sourced material which caused the POV fork on the Sweetest Day article in the first place. Deletion of sourced material on a discussion page or in a Wikipedia article should be frowned upon and discouraged. The only just solution in this dispute is to allow both pages, Sweetest Day and The Sweetest Day Hoax to remain on Wikipedia. After all, Wikipedia is not paper, so why not allow both articles to co-exist in peace. Miracleimpulse 09:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Response Personally I like yellow apples: the skin on red apples is often too tough and green apples are too tart. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia: <<This means that there is no practical limit to the number of topics we can cover other than verifiability and the other points presented on this page. There is a kind of feasible limit for individual article sizes that depends on page download size for our dial-up readers and readability considerations for everybody (see Wikipedia:Article size). After a point, splitting an article into separate articles and leaving adequate summaries is a natural part of growth for a topic (see Wikipedia:Summary style). Some topics are covered by print encyclopedias only in short, static articles, and since Wikipedia requires no paper we can give more thorough treatments, include many more relevant links, be more timely, etc. This also means you don't have to redirect one topic to a partially equivalent topic that is of more common usage. A "See also" section stating that further information on the topic is available on the page of a closely related topic may be preferable.>> Why does anyone have a problem with both articles co-existing on Wikipedia? Hmmm... Miracleimpulse 18:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Further Comment Please temporarily protect The Sweetest Day Hoax article from deletion of all sourced material and photos. Thank you. Miracleimpulse 10:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Response Hoaxes often involve suppression and management of information, which is exactly what was happening with the edits on the original Sweetest Day page resulting in the POV fork. Although all information posted in The Sweetest Day Hoax article is readily available at many Public Libraries, none of it has ever been published before to help make people aware of the methods used by advertisers and the Candy Industry to engineer the beginnings of Sweetest Day. The relentless deletions and re-wordings on the original Sweetest Day article constitute just such information suppression and management. There can be little doubt that Industry will continue their efforts at insidious deception and information management on The Sweetest Day Hoax page just as they have on the Sweetest Day page. The request for protection is fully justified. Miracleimpulse 17:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Response <<The fact that none of the information you've cited has ever been used by anyone writing a piece>>The October 15, 2005 article from The Cleveland Plain Dealer which states that "Dozens of Cleveland's top candy makers concocted the [Sweetest Day] promotion 84 years ago" has been edited out of this discussion 3 times. So let's put it back in again right here:
Idea behind Sweetest Day was to push candy, not love Saturday, October 15, 2005 Bill Lubinger Plain Dealer Reporter - Today will be sprinkled with cards and flowers, dinner dates and sex toys. - Except Sweetest Day wasn't supposed to be a day for lovers, but a day for lovers of sweets. - Dozens of Cleveland's top candy makers concocted the promotion 84 years ago and it stuck, although it never became as widely accepted as hoped. - "Sweetest Day is extremely regional," said Van Billington, spokesman for Retail Confectioners International. "It basically follows a path from Detroit to Buffalo." - The candy men of Cleveland proclaimed an annual "Sweetest Day of the Year" as a touching way to spread happiness -- not just for family and friends, but orphans and newsboys, too. - What better way to give 'em some sugar than with -- big shock -- candy, "because it has an appeal for everybody, rich and poor, old or young." - Chocolatiers delivered thousands of candy boxes to the needy. To the rest, they sold their product with outlandish claims. - In a special four-page Sweetest Day spread in The Cleveland Plain Dealer on Oct. 8, 1921, they pitched the benefits of confectionery delights. - They promoted everything from almond creams to fruit-centered milk chocolates, as if touting seaweed extract and fish oil. - "Scientists Say Man Can Walk Mile on Power Furnished by One Ordinary Caramel," reads one of the headlines. And did you know, the manufacturers fudged, that animals love candy, too. "Furthermore, most authorities agree that it is good for them." - Horses and dogs are especially keen on chocolate-covered varieties, they insisted. (No mention that chocolate can be toxic to a dog - even chocolate Labs.) - Candy makers wisely used the event to dispel popular myths that apparently hurt sales: Glucose doesn't contain glue, they informed readers, and the product isn't made from horses' hooves or coal tar. - Maybe they got one fact right, though. - "We are known as the greatest nation of candy eaters," the masters of marzipan bellowed proudly in print. "It has been said that all the rest of the world combined eats less candy than we do." - How sweet. - News Research Director Patti Graziano and and Deputy News Research Director Mary Ann Cofta contributed to this story. - To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: - blubinger@plaind.com, 216-999-5531
The Cleveland Plain Dealer, being the instrument by which Sweetest Day was foisted upon Cleveland by the Candy Industry, is the ultimate source on Sweetest Day. Who would know better that Sweetest day is a concocted promotion than The Cleveland Plain Dealer? They helped concoct it!
Response Right Feldspar. Just like Sweetest Day was founded by candy store employee Herbert Birch Kingston and his small group of friends doing good deeds for the forgotten. It's all in the wording and context, isn't it. There are two distinct points of view about Sweetest Day in our society: one held by those making profit from the event that it is a legitimate holiday, and one held by others that Sweetest Day is a made-up Hallmark Holiday. These two points of view cannot co-exist within the same article without one being cancelled out, because one is true and the other false. The truth does not attack a lie; it simply replaces it. Wikipedia is not paper. Both points of view should be allowed on Wikipedia until one just disappears. Miracleimpulse 17:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Response Is it really possible to have a neutral point of view on a hoax? We will never agree on this issue, which is why the topic of Sweetest Day deserves two articles on Wikipedia. By the way, how is it you can watch this site all day and respond within minutes? Don't you have a job? Or is this your job? Just wondering... Miracleimpulse 19:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Response Kind of like your comment comparing me to a wreckless deceptive weasely motorist? In bartending we say "What goes around comes around." I am willing to go public with my identity on this page. My name is Robb Thomas and I live in Chicago (where we never heard of Sweetest Day until Hallmark started marketing Sweetest Day cards here). Are you and Isotope and Transfinite willing to do the same? Miracleimpulse 19:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Conclusion Until I began editing the Sweetest Day article on Wikipedia, the article was a basic copy (nearly word-for-word) of the Industry Spin used to sell this holiday on countless websites across the internet. Once I began posting actual facts and photos about the subject, editors appeared out of nowhere to contradict, alter and delete what has turned out to be primary sourced information and photos. To date, the only source referenced on the Sweetest Day page is The Cleveland Plain Dealer and that reference is to the information I posted which remains on the site. To my knowledge, American Greetings, Hallmark, and Retail Confectioners International have never been listed even as secondary sources on the Sweetest Day page. Lacking any type of primary source reference whatsoever, it can only be concluded that the Herbert Birch Kingston story of the origins of Sweetest Day is a cleverly crafted industry-generated hoax, the purpose of which is mass deception about the true origins of Sweetest Day in order to increase sales of candy, greeting cards and other Sweetest Day-related products. This being the case, the Wikipedia article entitled The Sweetest Day Hoax is indeed a distinct new topic on Wikipedia which will provide accurate and sourced information on the real origins of Sweetest Day to Wikipedia readers for years to come. I would like to thank Wikipedia for the opportunity to post this information on their site and offer a word of caution: that Wikipedia can be and has been used by industry to promote disinformation about topics such as Sweetest Day. I also look forward to working with other interested Wikipedians to present all new information which comes to light regarding The Sweetest Day Hoax.
Thank you again and best regards,
Robb Thomas Miracleimpulse 22:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Final Comment All primary sourced information shows Sweetest Day to be an industry-generated hoax and the subject should be reported as such on Wikipedia and elsewhere. RT Miracleimpulse 16:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Response Incorrect, Isotope23. All means All. You are assuming that all primary source information has been posted, and it definitely has not. The Cleveland Plain Dealer provides a treasure trove of primary source information on the origins of Sweetest Day beginning in 1921. The Sweetest Day Hoax article can and will be expanded exponentially using these sources. As is stated on the first edit summary, The Sweetest Day Hoax article is a work in progress (like all Wikipedia articles). Also, you are overlooking the US Census documents which have been posted that are primary sources of information. Meanwhile, the Herbert Birch Kingston story on the original Sweetest Day page (and all the other countless places it appears on the internet) remains unsourced in any way, primary or secondary. As a matter of fact, it seems like all editing on the original Sweetest Day page has stopped at a rather pathetic stage. What's up with that? Miracleimpulse 19:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Response It says final comment Recury, not final response. Casting doubt on my identity will not work, since I am the only one of us proud enough of my contributions on Wikipedia to reveal my identity. Who are Isotope, Feldspar, Transfinite and Recury? Who knows. Robb Thomas Miracleimpulse 19:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The lead singer of Matchbox 20 is Rob Thomas, only one "b." I do wonder, however, if he also thinks Sweetest Day is an industry-generated hoax. Someone should take a poll. Sweetest Day, Holiday or Hoax? What do you think the results would show? RT Miracleimpulse 19:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Bobet 12:07, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
advertisement - Nv8200p talk 14:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy Deleted by RexNL. -- Fang Aili talk 14:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Prod was removed. This person is a non-notable politician. He hasn't won any of his campaigns. Delete. -- Fang Aili talk 14:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not notable. Would not meet the proposed WP:PORN BIO or a Japanese eqivalent, having no notable awards in Japan, or notable mainstream work, notable magazine appearances, etc etc. Would definitely fail WP:BIO if that were applied instead. Delete. --- Hong Qi Gong 14:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Delete as a non-notable band, WP:Music refers. (aeropagitica) 09:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Prod was removed. I can find no evidence that this band is notable. A search for "aurko" produces nothing on amazon [30], "aurko+Naadiya", the name of its album, yields 1 google hit, "aurko" alone yields 352 unique ghits, many of which are unrelated to any band. Delete, unless reliable sources are provided. -- Fang Aili talk 14:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This isn't so much an article as it is a big list of links. Surely, it's all well and good to have proper articles on various transgender related topics, but I don't see that Wikipedia's mission includes hosting a directory of these groups. Whatever such organizations are verifiable and significant could have their own articles, and there could be a category for these, I have no problems with that. Friday (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 10:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Is he notable? Per WP:BIO What proof? We need more proof than his Wiki friends saying so.
Let's leave aside for now the fact that this article was concidered for deletion a while back. He and his supporters cannot demonstrate enough notability for this article! What TV show or programme has he been on? Potters house 14:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Oprah, Montel, Jerry Springer, Rikki Lake, Phil Donahue, Sally Jessy, Pat Robertson's 700 Club, Billy Graham's Radio show, Geraldo Rivera, Queen Latifah, Carol and Marilyn Real Friends, Montel Williams, A&E Investigative Reports, ABC World News Tonight, Bertrice Berry, Rolanda, The Today Show, A Current Affair, NBC's Donny Deutsch The Big Idea, TBN's Praise The Lord show, many national and international Newspapers and National TV Shows in Australia, England, Holland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, and Wales. He has appeared all over the Nation of Australia on ABC Radio as well as ABC's "Enough Rope" hosted by Andrew Denton also appeared with the Australian KKK leader on the Today show in Australia.
If Tilman cannot provide at least half of the notability of Clary then he should be deleted. Potters house 15:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC) (moved from the talk page, which we do not use for AfDs) reply
The result was Delete. This article is only one sentence, which gives no reason why this book is of any note. Tyrenius 23:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Contested prod. Non-notable poetry collection. Geoffrey Spear 14:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I am sure that this nomination will be hotly contested, so I will explain my reasons carefully. Most of the article at present is either OR or unverifiable. I recently edited it to remove all this OR/unverifiable material, after which it looked like this. The remnants of the article were basically a dicdef. In short, I think the only thing that an article about 'bogan' can be is a definition of the usage of the word, encompassing its etymology and the full extent of its usage, to be sure – but this is what an entry in a major dictionary looks like. In short, this is one for the Wiktionary and not for Wikipedia. I am of course open to persuasion on these points. mg e kelly 14:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete Original research. Is covered in better detail on other wikipedia articles without the original research and PoV twist Dominick (TALK) 15:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Delete. I don't doubt the veracity, just the importance. It is an interesting slice of history but only asserts minimal and local importance. It it had any wider impact the article should be recreated to show this, but at the moment, I'm afraid it doesn't merit inclusion. If it can be shown to be mentioned in histories of the period, that would be a different matter. Tyrenius 23:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Nice vanity piece, but still looks like vanity, as I can really find nothing that meets WP:BIO or WP:V - Nv8200p talk 15:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This isnt a debate, a few votes is a completely meaningless process, how can it be an advertisement for something that existed more than 30 years agoo and was dissolved 25 years ago? wierd notions but then smashing a country's history is meaningless to most of you guys, look at the record (pun). Why dont you go and do some really important stuff. moza
The result was Keep. Catchpole 10:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The band was created by User:Shnuffers with an admission that he was creating this article and Screaming Illiterate for the sole purpose of hyping the two bands in question. While it seems that there's scattered bits of notability in their's bio, I'm not sure it amounts to enough for WP:MUSIC. The article was speedied but contested by Shnuffers. Screaming Illiterate will be dealt with in a separate AfD. ColourBurst 15:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This article and Peachcake was created for the sole purpose of hyping the two bands in question (as Peachcake's talk page admits to). There's no notability at all except for the chart single #1 listing, but I can't actually find them associated with the charts, which means I have no idea if it's a fabrication. Without that, it doesn't satisfy WP:MUSIC. ColourBurst 15:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Nonnotable and apparently homemade movie; prod tag keeps getting removed so here it is. Not on IMDB. NawlinWiki 15:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not a notable band. Only self produced CDs. Ghits for anomie are numerous but Anomie and "stuart barton" gets 50 unique hits, but most are from wiki mirrors or promotion pages. Pascal.Tesson 15:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This article seems to be about friends falling out over a non notable website. (There are a few google hits, but mostly Wikipedia, the site they're talking about, and posts they've made about it on different message boards/blogs) Ladybirdintheuk 15:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was No consensus so keep. I have not given much weight to new users, but have to later point made by editors in good standing. As this is a debate, it is a pity that those who joined in earlier have not returned to answer the later points. This consequently gives those more weight and undermines the earlier statements. Tyrenius 23:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Contested prod. Doesn't meet WP:CORP guidelines; only claim to notability seems to be that its founder (who may very well be notable herself) plans to go on a space flight. Geoffrey Spear 15:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Bobet 12:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not notable, vanity article de-prodded by subject's brother. I had de-speedied because he asserted notability with award that is less notable than I thought. Left PROD message on creator's talk page. (Same name as subject.) I really see no indication of notability in the article or in brother's rationale on the talk page. I can't see that we need an article for everyone who appears in a Chevrolet ad even nationally. < 200 total Google hits. I don't see how this fulfills WP:BIO
It is worth mentioning that all American Idol participants have entries and that American Idol is a Fremantle Media production, the same company that produced The Complex. Ean 00:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Google hits for Erik Schuessler
Google hits for "Erik Schuessler" +complex
Google hits for "Erik Schuessler" +brain food . Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 15:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Google hits for +"the complex" +fox +reality +erik. More targeted, 65,000+ hits. Ean Schuessler 15:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This article was previously deleted at this AfD, which had minimal discussion. A DRV consensus overturned this result in light of new evidence, with even those favoring deletion admitting that this was an interesting test case. Please consult the DRV before commenting here. It may be interesting for this debate to consider whether any USENET newsgroup could be encyclopedically notable, as mentioned in the DRV. This is a procedural nomination, so I abstain. Xoloz 16:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 20:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not notable per WP:BIO. Google announces 64K hits, but only 184 unique hits. However none seem to be independent work on the subject.
The result was No consensus so keep. Tyrenius 23:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Not notable Mk3severo 16:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I stupidly thought this was already deleted. It's about a single piece of fanfiction for christ' sakes. No notability whatsoever.
The result was Merge to MGM Television. Tyrenius 23:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Yet another article cataloging the logos used by a movie or TV studio. Nonencyclopedic, logocruft. — tregoweth ( talk) 16:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was MERGE material into infantilism and recast as a redirect. And uh there is no such vote as "Rewrite". You think I got all night here? I merged the material as is into its own section at the bottom of infantilism. Herostratus 04:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia already has an article for infantilism. This article appears to be a vanity page for one or more people who identify with this type of paraphilia. The actual term "sissy baby" seems illegitimate, and does not bring any Google results -- it's certainly not relevant for Wikipedia. Grendel 17:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Keep. Catchpole 21:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable pub. Created as part of a vanity article for a local bartender. --
Merope 17:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result was delete. - Bobet 11:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This is a non-notable neologism. 3 Google hits Erechtheus 17:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
As per WP:BAI point 4 dormitories are non notable _ Doctor Bruno_ _Talk_/ E Mail 17:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Great lengths of original research Bm gub 18:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete from nominator. The page is a very long summary of a grandiose Theory of Everything, published in installments in the non-peer-reviewed journal Physics Essays, and including a sad story about how the author tried and failed to get published elsewhere! Also, only 164 Google hits---not even a well-known crackpot. Non-notable, OR, no outside confirmation present or possible. Bm gub 18:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 20:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Warez group article with no reliable sources. The only thing that seems to be verifiable is that it exists, which is a minimal claim of notability. No reliable news sources or anything. Delete as such. Wickethewok 18:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Courtesy blank
The result was Keep - I'm terminating this AfD because there is a unanimous chorus of two dozen keep votes, mostly speedy or strong, and this debate has dragged on for too long with no possibility of ending in deletion. - Richardcavell 05:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable fictional character, of interest only to fans of Stargate Atlantis. Pan Dan 18:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
For the same reason, I am nominating each of the other pages entirely devoted to a Stargate Atlantis character: Carson Beckett, Ronon Dex, Teyla Emmagan, Rodney McKay, John Sheppard (Stargate), and Elizabeth Weir (Stargate). Pan Dan 19:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Reply to Pan Dan down here since the page is giving me trouble. Proper venue to discuss is the talk page at the FICT policy, not by mass afding. Your own words indicate you may have done this to make a point about fancruft as you see it--that's not allowed per WP:POINT. I'd advise you to take it up at the FICT talk page if you're not happy with how our rules work currently. rootology ( T) 00:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Pan Dan 19:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
First they came for the Pokemon, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a 12-year old anime addict.
Then they came for the Stargate Atlantis characters, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a fan of bad science fiction (or whatever Pan Dan thinks SGA is).
Then they came for the articles on World War 2, and there were no editors left to speak up for it. 207.234.147.96 07:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm certainly no wiki expert or anything, but I would think that the existence of the apparently legitimate Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate is a major point to consider in the discussion of notability of these articles. Certainly they are an important component of that WikiProject?
68.166.244.74 10:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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-- Tobyk777 16:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply
From the nominator. If this were a chess game, now would be the time to say "I resign." I gave it my best shot. Now (after more than 40K!) I want to withdraw the nomination. I apologize for what is now clear to me was an ill-advised nom as rootology said, since it had zero chance of succeeding, although that was certainly not clear to me when I made the nom. In fact I thought it wd be so uncontroversial that I used PROD before someone removed it.
Now that the debate is over, I want first to concede what I think are the three best arguments against my nom:
1. Inertia. These articles are so extensive, and have been on WP for so long, and are even part of a Stargate portal (God save us all!), that to delete them now would be disruptive to the portal and unfair to a relatively small but very hard-working chunk of the WP community.
2. Precedent. I assume discussions like these have come up before, whether formally in deletion nominations, or informally on talk pages, or both. The fact that articles like these have survived for such a long time despite such discussions, is precedent-setting, I suppose.
3. Fairness. If these articles were yanked, it would not be fair that hundreds, if not thousands (if not tens of thousands?--God save us all!) of comparable articles would remain, like the article on Soong which rootology mentioned.
I still think my basic argument is right: that WP is not an appropriate place for articles like these, including the Soong article, and WP would have a much better reputation if it cracked down on them. The fact that these articles are 95% plot narratives and 5% character analyses attests to their lack of significance to the real world today, lack of any artistic, philosophical, or literary merit, and certain lack of significance to anybody at all 100 years from now. So it's obvious to me that they're unencyclopedic faddish fancruft.
Worse, I get the impression that allowing these articles makes the WP community sort of like a high school student body, in that both are divided into cliques devoted to fads, rather than a cohesive community devoted to the whole WP project/high school sports & academics. There is a clique devoted to Stargate, and a clique devoted to Pokemon, and a clique devoted to Survivor, and a clique devoted to Goth. Leaving high school aside, whether I'm right about the existence of cliques on WP or not, I'm probably right that Stargate et al are fads which will be forgotten 100 years from now. And it seems to me that at WP, the proponents of fad projects should take them off of WP and go elsewhere on the World Wide Web, which is pretty darn wide and would accommodate, and certainly already does accommodate, each one of these fads.
So again, I apologize for the nom. I also apologize for being blunt about what I called "fads," which may offend some people. Especially, I apologize for the rant you just read, because I know now (thanks rootology) that the appropriate place for that rant is in a discussion like the one at WP:FICT, not here. I just want to say, thanks to all of you who have contributed to this debate. Thanks especially to those of you who thoughtfully engaged me in some particulars of the debate, even though you could have just cited WP:SNOW and walked off. Y'all probably feel this debate was largely a waste of your time, and you may be right, but for me this has been an educational experience as I am new to the procedural part of WP (though I have been contributing substantively to WP for quite some time as described on User:Pan Dan, ahem, Matt and rootology). I have no hard feelings towards anybody here (yes, even you Matt, though next time a newcomer adopts a snowball-in-hell position, don't assume bad faith), although I understand if some of you have hard feelings towards me. Anyway, see you around WP! May the force be with you! or whatever. :-)
Pan Dan 02:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
WP:V. I can find no evidence of a Francis Muamba who played for Arsenal, Cardiff, or the English U-17 team. This could be referring to Fabrice Muamba, except he hasn't played for Cardiff. If that is the case, I don't think it should be a redirect because it doesn't appear to be a likely misspelling. Scottmsg 19:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy redirect. I think it was just an innocent newbie error. -- RHaworth 20:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
duplicate page; this page is not about hegel and there is already a page for total quality management Stankrom 19:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 20:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
non-notable corporation - Steve Sanbeg 20:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete since it's non-notable. Too small a business to actually be, well, notable. -- Eugene2x -- ☺ Nintendo rox! 04:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. --- Deville ( Talk) 19:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Put your self-promotional materials up on a personal page, rather than Wikipedia. This artcile is incoherent, seems to have nothing to do with a person of encyclopedic note, and contains no links to verify accuracy. Narsil27 20:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Disputed prod. Not an article - an election candidate's address. Please phone him collect on the number given. -- RHaworth 20:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Redirect to Hate speech. --- GIen 05:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This is more than covered already in the article hate speech - in fact it even uses the same example. Entire article is effectively redundant-- - GIen 20:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
De-prodded by the article's creator. It fails WP:WEB. Very limited Google hits, which appear to be the website's creators posting adds on sites like craigslist. Definitely not notable. Sparsefarce 20:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Latest changes show citations by newspapers in legitimate articles, which should help satisfy the policy re notability. Also notable is the fact that the website in question is possibly the first of the social networking sites cited in wikipedia to focus on outdoor activity enthusiasts - - Phidman 19:50, 1 September 2006
The result was speedy deleted by Luigi30 Thryduulf 08:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable? Subject has virtually no Google hits in either English or Belorussian. Acctorp 20:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This is non-notable and shouldn't be in wikipedia. Aristoi 20:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete, Cleared as filed does a good job of refuting the the keep suggested by ya ya ya ya ya ya in that Presidents make many speeches about policy, and also the fact that it is already on WIkisource . Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This is already in Wikisource; this particular speech is not notable enough for its own article, there's almost no information in this article as it stands, and there's no point in even redirecting it someplace because it's unlikely that someone would search for this title. Recommend deleting. — Cleared as filed. 20:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
non-notable musician created by single-purpose account. - Steve Sanbeg 20:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Delete. Please note that new users (especially with this AfD as their only contribution) are given very little, if any, weight, unless substantial points are made. There have been additions to this article, but not verified with suitable references. This article could possibly be recreated if additional material and verification (see WP:VERIFY) is added. At the moment, for example, two of the filmographies don't mention Lockwood, and the other is in production. This is not sufficient. Tyrenius 22:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The subject of this article fails WP:BIO based on my understanding of his career and that standard. There are 40 Google hits for his name and either actor or musician, and most are IMDB name search queries. None appear to be a verifiable source that might augment notability. Erechtheus 20:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The commercial entitled Lone Wolf 67.142.130.24 00:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by imovie ( talk • contribs) reply
The result was speedy deleted as attack page
WP:V, no relevant hits on google. It looks like a hoax. Scottmsg 20:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was merged to Greenwich, Connecticut. --- Deville ( Talk) 21:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This is a non-notable Church location. The stub on the article is confusing and makes this look like a town, but the link listed makes it quite clear this is a Church. There are 315 Google Hits, but none are helpful to notability based on my scan of them and only about 30 are unique. Erechtheus 21:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was merge all. --- Deville ( Talk) 21:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable sections of a particular school. Delete or merge; the school in question is a primary school so I'm not even convinced of its notability, but these at least need to be done. I am also nominating Mianjin, Wyampa, and Warraba under the same criteria.
The result was keep. JPD ( talk) 09:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Notability/relevance? Subwayguy 21:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I believe that the whole premace of this article is original research. PDXblazers 21:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete all of them. --- Deville ( Talk) 03:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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A walled garden of vanity articles about a film maker, his company and his current production. Edited out of the latter is the fact that the movie is not due out until 2007. Vanity, not (yet) notable, crystal ballery. -- RHaworth 21:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Guidelines also state. "An article should not be dismissed as "vanity" simply because the subject is not famous". So exactly how can articles be deleted based on one individuals 'mini' research on the subject claiming 'no notability' 82.43.72.117 09:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was - Delete - The main point raised by the deletes is that there is a problem in WP:OR in determining what/who is a critic. The keep advocates do not address this particularly well - CltFn is the first, and says "Its a list , like any other wikipedia lists of", which is subsequently seconded by a variety of users. There is a problem in that problems which were cited for deletion were not addressed. Angry inquiries to my talk page. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Article *must* rely on OR to decide who's a critic and who isn't Frescard 21:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was merge to Sealand. - Bobet 11:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
So this is the "national anthem" of the micronation of Sealand, i.e. a handful of people on a British WWII flak platform who seem to have gained considerable publicity by pretending that they are a sovereign state. Given that these five or so people are probably the only ones who get to hear this anthem with any regularity, I fail to see the notability here. (The proposal WP:MUSIC/SONG says that official anthems of notable territories are notable, but Sealand being either a "territory" at all or having an "official" anything is at best debatable, given that no one recognises it.) At any rate, all substantial content is already in the infobox at Sealand, and I doubt that there's much more to be written about this tune. Sandstein 21:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This anthem has particular meaning in that it is defying the UK's claim of ruling the island. It doesn't matter what different people think about the legality of the microstate, it still exists. It has political meaning and should be expanded, not deleted.
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete appears to be a hoax, at the least its original research and unsourced - one source is so incomplete it cannot be checked, the other is a Wikipedia article that doesn't mention the "aha variable". This is completely unverifiable The notion that this is somehow connected to the modern phrase "aha" is ludicrous on its face and after investigation [39]. Gwernol 22:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia is not for original research, or original anything else, including new languages that you make up yourself. Prod tag removed without comment. - IceCreamAntisocial 22:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable ride. Angry Lawyer 22:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Bobet 11:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Blatant vanity article for non-notable music project. -- RHaworth 22:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Fails WP:CORP with no reliable sources. 29 Google hits for "WheatState Pizza" -- Targetter (Lock On) 22:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable roller-coaster Angry Lawyer 22:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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Non-notable per WP:WEB. Just about all Google hits are actually for Kingdom Hearts: Showdown of Fate. RaCha'ar 22:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
P.S. add the link to your favorites Maxsdev 02:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
You win...
The result was delete. - Bobet 11:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
non-notable forum Akradecki 22:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. --- Deville ( Talk) 03:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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NN person, fails WP:BIO. Sparse IMDB entry of little note, and not impressive number of ghits, many of which are not for this person. FYI: this may be part of a walled garden, see the AfD on Daniel M. Shirley and others. Agent 86 22:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable...something or other. Angry Lawyer 22:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Strong Delete I don't call that an article. -- Eugene2x -- ☺ Nintendo rox! 04:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Looks like another company advertising itself. Non-notable. Zephyr2k 22:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy delete G7-author requested deletion. 00:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I noticed this nomination for deletion had not been completed, so I filled it out. Blood red sandman 22:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
This article was prodded for the second time. I have taken it to AfD in order to build consensus. The article asserts this guy is a magician. No vote from nominator. Catchpole 23:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was keep: useful stub with potential for expansion, precedent of many comparable bilateral articles out there, and finally we need to not send verifiable information about Oceania currently not being at war with either Eastasia or Eurasia down the memory hole. --- Deville ( Talk) 03:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I fully support the notion that articles on bilateral relations between every set of two countries should exist, but Oceania is not a nation and this content would be better placed in other Foreign relations of Japan articles. Ya ya ya ya ya ya 23:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I originally tagged the article for speedy deletion as not asserting the notability of the band. A little research showed no evidence of meeting WP:MUSIC; an unsigned band (all albums are self-released), no entry on Amazon or AllMusic. The author contested the speedy and explained on the talk page they had provided the soundtrack for a skiing movie, possibly satisfying that point of WP:MUSIC, but it's still a fairly slim claim. This isn't as totally clear-cut as the usual "this band was formed in early 2006 and will be a big hit real soon!" fare that warrants speedying, so opening this up to AfD. ~ Matticus T C 23:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was MERGE into Weezer (The Blue Album) and recast as a redirect to that article. It's hard to break this down into raw vote totals, as everyone had something different and cogent to say. I come up with (including the nominator): 1 Keep, 2 Delete, 3 Merge of various types (including 1 Merge or Keep), 1 Neutral (the article creator, oringally a Keep but later amended by the statement "I don't care anymore whether or not you delete My Evaline." The arguments are about even, although it true that as pointed out the article does not appear to meet Wikipedia:Notability (songs), but that is only a proposed guideline. The largest single category of comments seems to be Merge, so that's the close. Herostratus 14:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Contested prod. Basically, this is your classic case of not everything that a notable band (Weezer) does being notable in and of itself. We're dealing here with a 44sec track which is available according to the article on one version of their debut album and (mistitled) on one version of one single. I don't see notability anywhere there. BigHaz 23:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Let me further explain...
I feel this song is important because it shows another side of the band. Instead of a rock song they did a barbershop song. this particular B-side is much more notable because it shows Weezer doing something that isn't their usual sound. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blinkchillie90 ( talk • contribs)
"Perhaps a line or two on the article about the album?" I'm not sure what you mean by this sentence. Could you please reword — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blinkchillie90 ( talk • contribs)
Hey this is blinkchillie90 again. I guess i could add it to that particular article. Just give me some time before you delete this article so i copy and paste some of the stuff I have typed on this one over to the other article. Also I don't know how to sign my posts. I have also noticed that you have also put the nomination for deletion on some of the other song articles for weezer. I understand that you feel a song article is only needed for Singles. But i disagree. I want some time to edit those articles to make those wiki-worthy. I actually was planning on just setting up the format today (sept 1) and tomorrow doing some work on them. You can delete the songs for the deluxe edition such as "Susanne," "Mykel and Carli" and "my Evaline." But I feel the regular blue album songs are important and need articles. These songs are considered Weezer Classics. I know tons of unique and important information on those songs.
So in conclusion I ask you to take those articles off the nominated for deletion list. So i can have some time to edit it. I mean I just put up the song articles today. I havent even had a chance to really do anything to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blinkchillie90 ( talk • contribs)
I'm also (now) nominating Only In Dreams, Mykel and Carli and The World has Turned and Left Me Here for much the same reason as the above rationale. All three were deprodded by User:Kappa on the grounds that they were songs by a notable band, which is fair enough but is not in itself a reason for notability of the song (this is an argument which was advanced recently in an AfD regarding a Weird Al song, but I can't find the link to it). BigHaz 01:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm back! BigHaz I understand everything you're saying. you must realize something all these songs are considered extremely important in the world of Weezer. "Only in dreams" and "the world has turned and left me here" are considered weezer classics. When fans go to see them in concert they hope they play a large abundant of Blue Album songs. My original intention was to expand the page of one of my favorite albums. I wanted to expand the songs. I wasn't going to do that all in a day. If you look at other album pages such as Dark side of the moon you'll notice that all the tracks have thier own page. in the world of weezer, the Blue Album is considered their "magnum opus." Just like people consider Dark side of the moon is Pink Floyd's magnum opus I felt you nominated everything for deletion way too early before anything could be done to them. (something I have explained before) It was unfair to nominate for deletion. You should've checked the dates the pages were added. I feel if the pages had been up for a few monthes but were still a 1 sentence article then they are appropriate for nomination! But in this case it definitely wasn't User:Blinkchillie90
Ok I have stopped caring about the B-sides I simply want to save the regular album tracks. Those tracks are the ones that truely matter. I don't care anymore whether or not you delete My Evaline. In fact as the creator of the My Evaline page I am encouraging you to just delete it along with "susanne." But not "Mykel and Carli" that song is important. But "surf wax" and "Only in dreams" are the ones that deserve their own page along with the all the Blue album songs. I will also consider that table idea as well. Ok i'm done for tonight, I don't know what time it is where ever anyone else is but where i am it's 11:54PM so I'm going to bed. User:Blinkchillie90
Okay, so I added more information to "Mykel and Carli," Because there is some information behind that song, and what that song has come to mean, that at least I thnk is important. -- rwiggum talk 00:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
the building is not architecturally or historically significant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Criticalthinker ( talk • contribs)
The result was No consensus so keep. Tyrenius 22:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Non-notable per WP:MUSIC - Nv8200p talk 23:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
15-year-old member of an a cappella group. Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC or WP:BIO. Crystallina 23:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was delete both, Wikipedia is WP:NOT for things made up in school one day --- Deville ( Talk) 03:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
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This is a non-notable game that violates WP:NFT. There is one Google hit, and it is a personal blog. Deprodded by creator. Erechtheus 00:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I am also nominating the following related page because it is exclusively an instrumentality of this game:
Erechtheus 00:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Well its not a huge game yet, but it will be soon, many of my friends all over the San Francisco Bay Area play it. It is a great game, please don't shut it down. It is a part of our lifestyle now, read the article, sir - Widereceiver19
This is a real game that could end up huge. We have an official website, and it is the new skateboarding, it is an underground sport that many like - Widereceiver19
Do not delete it is a notable game i can't believe you guys havent heard about it. Its played in the bay area and thats what counts, many things on this site are far less important than Teeterdil, Cmon man, you guys be trippin — Preceding unsigned comment added by widereceiver19 ( talk • contribs)
Now you guys are being racist, please stop making fun of my race, and then maybe we can talk. You are not giving the great game of Teeterdil a chance. -Widereceiver19
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete, This article is about an apartment building in Caguas, Puerto Rico. However, it doesn't seem architecturally or historically significant. Hell, I live in Ponce, about 20km south from Caguas, and I never knew it existed. I posted the Importance tag 3 months ago and no one has answered. Mtmelendez 00:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply