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The result was redirect to Hollywood Undead discography. j⚛e decker talk 14:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
List of songs recorded by Hollywood Undead
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All of this is 100% original research with no references to any reliable primary OR secondary sources and is completely pointless! At this point in time, they don't need such an article, they don't have that many songs and if you really wan't to see the information about them, just go to the discography page and look them up. SilentDan297 talk 15:22, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: You can just get on YouTube and see which members perform in which of their songs. That's about where all of these came from, I can assume. Also, I don't think it is that useless. I wouldn't call 70-84 songs "not that many." And I see get information about Hollywood Undead from the list of their songs than that discography page you linked to. I'm for keeping the page, and not because I've edited a lot. I just feel it is useful for people just learning about the band, and need a way to look up their songs, etc, etc.-- BarrettM82 Contact 14:35, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Hollywood Undead discography. Content fork. All this adds is track-by-track credits and some trivia, none of it sourced. I'd like to point out that YouTube is not considered a reliable source. — Gwalla | Talk 21:27, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- What I meant was the lyrics videos that TheExtremeUndead made for all of Hollywood Undead's songs. Anyone who is familiar with Hollywood Undead's music can confirm that list is 100% accurate, and so are the new versions of TheExtremeUndead's lyric videos. (I just wanted to clarify more as to what I meant when I mentioned YouTube.) But basically all of that information is true, regardless of the lack of sources. I didn't think to save the links I found when I did 2 1/2 hours of google searches last month; I wish I had now.--
BarrettM82
Contact 23:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- That only confirms the fact that this is completely original research.
TheExtremeUndead is no more than a YouTuber who creates fan made lyric videos, so even if you did reference to his channel, video by video, it would still class this as original research as the channel is not officially associated with the band itself.
SilentDan297
talk 23:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't say I used his/her videos to determine who performs in all the songs, and I wasn't around when the article was created, so I don't know if anyone dide. The only thing I did use them for was to listen to the songs, because I know what each of the singers sound like, right down to background vocals, I've been listening them so long.--
BarrettM82
Contact 12:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- That is still original research, therefore unreliable. SilentDan297 talk 12:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't say I used his/her videos to determine who performs in all the songs, and I wasn't around when the article was created, so I don't know if anyone dide. The only thing I did use them for was to listen to the songs, because I know what each of the singers sound like, right down to background vocals, I've been listening them so long.--
BarrettM82
Contact 12:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- That only confirms the fact that this is completely original research.
TheExtremeUndead is no more than a YouTuber who creates fan made lyric videos, so even if you did reference to his channel, video by video, it would still class this as original research as the channel is not officially associated with the band itself.
SilentDan297
talk 23:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- What I meant was the lyrics videos that TheExtremeUndead made for all of Hollywood Undead's songs. Anyone who is familiar with Hollywood Undead's music can confirm that list is 100% accurate, and so are the new versions of TheExtremeUndead's lyric videos. (I just wanted to clarify more as to what I meant when I mentioned YouTube.) But basically all of that information is true, regardless of the lack of sources. I didn't think to save the links I found when I did 2 1/2 hours of google searches last month; I wish I had now.--
BarrettM82
Contact 23:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone 08:48, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - Original research is the base of the whole article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StudiesWorld ( talk • contribs) 10:33, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
comment the only points that I would make is that I don't see the article as pointless and that, at this stage, I don't see that it does any great harm to Wikipedia. The article was started in 2013 and doesn't seem set to expand at any great rate. At the moment they seem to have unexceptional chart success but, having listened to one track, they may have a potential, within the context of a competitive market, to reach higher rates of success. I'd think that there may be a case to leave the article for now in case they have some kind of breakthrough. If, within a chosen period of time, they haven't struck it big then there would certainly be no reason not to delete/redirect. Gregkaye ( talk) 10:42, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: We already have an article on their recorded output:
Hollywood Undead discography. We do not need two different articles on the same subject. That's called a
content fork. —
Gwalla |
Talk 17:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm probably not going to say anything else about this, but I feel like the list of songs page gives me more information about Hollywood Undead, except in that it does not list which songs have the music videos. I'm not arguing against it being all unsourced, even if it is all accurate information that anyone who is familiar with the singers' voices can confirm just by listening to the songs. The thing is, I don't think there are any sources out there than can confirm this unless A-Z lyrics (I was going to give a link to "My Town" on A-Z lyrics but it says it's on the blacklist) and Rap Genius count. I don't see how the Hollywood Undead discography page is about the same subject as this page is. One is a list of every song, while the other is just a list of the albums, the singles, and the music videos released by Hollywood Undead.-- BarrettM82 Contact 20:06, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Hollywood Undead discography. I don't see anything here—other than what even the advocates of keeping the article admit is original research—that isn't available at the discography page or the articles about the individual recordings. Since what's not redundant fails WP:V, this page should be redirected. Deor ( talk) 13:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Hollywood Undead discography. Much the same as above, Fork and OR mostly posting to try and get someone to close this AFD... SPACKlick ( talk) 14:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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