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This is an alleged former town in North Carolina, which was allegedly the first town in its county. I couldn't find anything reliable supporting the existence of this community, Henry McCulloh appears to be his own can of worms, but I don't think there's much on him either. It's also worth noting that this article hasn't been edited since 2014, and the one reference (which is not cited inline) is now a dead link. -
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- Keep. I don't see any reason why
this wouldn't be a reliable source.
This probably warrants more care to determine its level of scholarship, but also offers greater depth of coverage.
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- Keep Passes
WP:GEOLAND and also
WP:GNG, per my search which found the books above and also some mentions in scholarly articles.
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- Keep - Per sources presented above and incorporated status. –
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- Keep - Definite keep. Added some sourcing and 1943 map showing location. Very fascinating to see that older states in the United States have formerly incorporated towns that have sunk so far into oblivion to lead to a deletion nomination. Apparently it still had a charter from the state until 1984 although it (and many other towns in the state) had long had no local government. But it was definitely was incorporated in 1787, though losing a battle to be the county seat in 1784 was apparently a blow.--
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This BLP appears to be of a reasonably successful but otherwise ordinary early-career professor. I can't find evidence of any of the
WP:NACADEMIC criteria, nor biographical coverage for
WP:GNG. Citations are
decent (?) but I don't think it's enough for NACADEMIC#1. Note that the "award" listed -- "the NIH Director's New Innovation Award" -- does not satisfy NACADEMIC#2 since it's actually just grant funding, not a personal honor.
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- Support as per nomination. He seems to have had a decent career so far and maybe will meet the notability criteria in the future, but I have to agree this article doesn't seem to meet
WP:NACADEMIC at present. I noticed, though, that it was a successful AFC submission. It would be good to have the opinion of the editors involved in that process so pinging
Eastmain (
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Qcne (
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- Thanks for the ping @
Adam Black GB. I felt it was borderline passing
WP:NACADEMIC, and I guess I'm an inclusionist instead of an exclusionist when it comes to borderline articles. Happy to defer to consensus in this case.
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- Thanks for your work at AfC. For the record I do think it made sense to accept at AfC -- the article writing is solid and it's perfectly plausible that someone at this career stage could be notable (unlike a lot of AfC submissions about grad students/postdocs). I think AfC should lean inclusionist at the borderline. But when I looked at it with my NPP hat on, I felt like it merited a deletion discussion.
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- Delete. I added the primary sources tag during New Page Review when I didn't have time to review the citation record but hesitated to bring to AfD since it had just gone through AfC successfully. It is troublesome that so many sources in the piece are to his own writing/lab, including those purporting to evaluate his impact according to the NACADEMIC criteria. Upon further review this evening I agree with the nominator that there is not enough to support notability under GNG, NBIO or NACADEMIC at this time.
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- Delete. While quite impressive for an early career researcher, his citations are well below what would be expected of a notable academic in his subfield. 59/80 of his coauthors -- including students and techs, not only professors -- have a higher h-index than he has (8), and for NPROF C1 we would want to see someone who was in at least the top 20% of just the professors/senior researchers. I'm surprised this got through AfC.
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- I don't disagree with your conclusion, but that's a...strange rationale. At least, it's oriented towards very hierarchical disciplines. Why should someone have to build a big pool of lesser researchers around themselves in order to become notable? The goal should be to make one's own research as good as possible by working with other people who are as good as possible, and to push one's students to be as successful as possible, preferably even better than oneself. Instead, your criterion would judge people to be most successful when they surround themselves by lesser researchers, when their student coauthors are all failures who never go on to anything, so that those people stand out the most among them. —
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- I meant in this specific case I would have needed to see him in the top 20% of his professor coauthors for me to reconsider him for C1. In subfields like his where papers can have many collaborators from diverse career stages and institutions, and for subjects with a clearly low citation profile, it's easier to justify thresholding at particular quintiles. If he had a more edge-case citation profile and was publishing exclusively with coauthors from one or two institutions I would of course incorporate more factors into my evaluation.
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- Delete as
WP:Too soon. Citations not really yet adequate in this highly cited field.
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- Delete. As usual, I am unimpressed by middle author (in a field where that matters) on highly coauthored and only moderately-cited papers. Looks
WP:TOOSOON at best for NPROF. Little other sign of notability.
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- Delete. The comments above citing
WP:Too soon are spot on. — Preceding
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Fails
WP:GNG; questionable sourcing; written like an advertisement.
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Does not appear to pass
WP:NBASKETBALL as they do not meet any of the criteria, or
WP:GNG as the sources are insufficient to establish that.
Vanderwaalforces (
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- Can I contribute more on this?
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- Yes, of course. Any editor may work to improve articles, even those that have been nominated for deletion. If you can demonstrate that the person is notable for some reason (you can see my reasons for questioning this below), then you might be able to prevent the article from being deleted! Good luck!
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- Delete unless some reason can be keeping can be located. Normally I would point out that the nominator did not mention having searched for sources, as required by WP:BEFORE. However, this is a college basketball player, and the sources in which you would expect her to be mentioned are probably news sources. A quick search just using the "news" tool above appeared to show minimal coverage: university profiles focused on one of their student athletes, and a couple of basketball scores. Certainly nothing currently in the article demonstrates notability: there are thousands of college basketball players, some of whom are notable, but merely being one doesn't seem to indicate notability. I admit to some uncertainty: is it usual for all Vanderbilt Commodores players to have articles, even those who weren't part of the team for very long and who don't appear to have been primary contributors to their team? It's possible that there's some policy I don't know of here, or some other reason for notability I didn't think of, but it isn't indicated yet.
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- @
P Aculeius Usually the majority of college players don't have an article. The editor in question seems to have been creating articles of players from Africa rather than Vanderbilt players. There is no inherent notability from playing for Vanderbilt or any other basketball team, college teams or otherwise. All players must simply pass
WP:GNG. There are some sources below that have been uncovered since your !vote if you are interested.
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- Playing professionally would tend to make her more notable, but if the only thing to add is that she's done so, then it may not be enough. I don't discount local sources, but merely being interviewed by a student newspaper, however editorially independent it may be, doesn't confer notability. The question is whether she's done something to bring her to attention at some significant level. For instance, being a major contributor to a championship team, or mentioned (not just in passing, or noting the basketball scores) in news sources with a greater reach than college papers. Sporting figures profiled in national papers or similar sources may be notable. I'm not foreclosing the possibility of notability; just that so far it doesn't seem to be here.
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- Comment: This subject doesn't appear to have nearly enough to meet the
WP:GNG. I found 1 paragraph of coverage at [
[1]], and the subject was interviewed by
60 Minutes [
[2]]. It is a close call though, so please ping me if more sources are found. This source provides depth but is quite local [
[3]].
Let'srun (
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- There is also [
[4]].
Let'srun (
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- Comment Please note that locality of sources has no bearing on whether they go towards GNG or not. Proposals to discount local sources have been repeatedly
rejected in the past. Regarding other sources,
This has a few paragraphs about her. There is also
this feature in the
The Daily Athenaeum. It is the student newspaper at West Virginia University, something we generally don't consider going towards GNG, but it states in its article that it is editorially independent from the university and does not have a faculty adviser. I'm not sure that changes anything. There is also
this feature in relations to the 60 minutes interview.
Alvaldi (
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- It should be noted that since 2022, she has played professionally in Spain and France so there might be some sources there. She is also a member of the Nigerian national team which could indicate that there might be sources about her in the Nigerian media.
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- @
Alvaldi, we have a strong
consensus against considering any student papers as contributory to notability, regardless of their editorial independence:
However, given their local audience and lack of independence from their student body, student media does not contribute to notability for topics related to home institutions.
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- @
JoelleJay I've usually never consider student papers being contributory to notability but the part about it being editorial independent cast a few doubts in my mind with this particular paper. Thanks for the clearup.
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- The SI article is not independent and potentially not RS, as it was written by a WVU sophomore for the Mountaineers Now "FanNation" blog section of SI.
JoelleJay (
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- I assume you are talking about the one Alvaldi posted? I posted a different one above that one.
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- Comment: in addition to the
WP:NBASKETBALL criteria mentioned above,
WP:NCOLLATH may be relevant here. However, while the article has some improvements since this discussion began, I still don't see any evidence of notability. The subject doesn't seem to have won any titles or participated in any championships or tournaments of note, and the only details provided in any of the sources describe nothing more than a brief biography focused on her playing basketball at various schools or being a member of various teams or playing in certain places. Nothing that would naturally bring her to national attention, or distinguish her from thousands of other college or minor professional athletes.
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Most likely fails
WP:NLIST, consists of 60% red links.
WP:NOTDIRECTORY also applies, and I didn't find
WP:RS describing this list besides third-party directories.
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- Comment The links I clicked on had no references at all, or none that would count as reliable sources. Didn't check all of them.
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- Delete. Most of the listed clubs are local organizations which would be unlikely to satisfy the notability criteria of
WP:ORG. Hence, this looks mostly like a directory, which
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- Speedy keep. This list is self-defining, and does not require extensive documentation. So far around twenty entries are individually notable, and the reasons suggested for deletion are not persuasive: 1) the number of redlinks is irrelevant; there is potential for expansion, and the list would be perfectly valid if the items were not linked, as long as it's possible to verify the existence of items that don't have their own articles; for this, third-party directories are fine. That said, some effort to document them is necessary, but fixing that is part of the normal editing process, not a valid reason for deletion. There is no deadline for locating sources.
- 2) none of the criteria of the cited WP:NOTDIRECTORY apply; this seems to be one of those policies that people cite because it sounds like it would apply, apparently without bothering to read and understand it. Specifically: this is not a "simple listing without contextual information"; the context is clearly given. It is not a list or repository of loosely associated topics; the items on the list are all closely connected by subject matter. It is not a cross-categorization. It has nothing to do with genealogy. It is not a program guide. It is not a business resource. WP:NOTDIRECTORY is about collections of information that have no encyclopedic value for readers; this list clearly has value. "This list is full of redlinks and doesn't have enough sources" is not a valid rationale for deletion. It's a reason to improve the list.
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P Aculeius, those are all very good points, thanks for pointing them out. However, you have not addressed how this list meets
WP:NLIST, do you think you could explain how it would to justify a speedy keep, as the fact that the entries themselves are notable does not guaranty the list itself being notable? Cheers,
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WP:BLP of a diplomat, not
properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for diplomats. As always, ambassadors are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass
WP:GNG on reliable source coverage and analysis about their work in independent third-party sources such as media or books -- but this is referenced entirely to
primary source content
self-published by the government (i.e. her own employer), with absolutely no evidence of
WP:GNG-worthy sourcing shown at all.
Further, this was draftspaced last year per
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer M. Adams, before being arbitrarily moved back into mainspace earlier this month on the grounds that her nomination had finally been confirmed by the Senate -- but since the notability bar for ambassadors hinges on GNG-worthy coverage, and not on the simple fact of having been confirmed into the position per se, that should never have happened without the draft being significantly improved with stronger sourcing first.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable in the absence of significantly better sourcing than this.
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- Delete Fails
WP:GNG. Ambassadors are not inherently notable, and there's no secondary coverage of her.
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- Delete: I agree with Bearcat: ambassadors don’t automatically become notable just by existing. They have to meet
WP:GNG or criteria such as
WP:NPOL (if they have a political background). I checked the sources and found they are primary, which can’t establish notability. She fails
WP:GNG.
GrabUp -
Talk 08:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Agree with above, sourcing is not good enough to meet
WP:BIO and ambassadors are not inherently notable.
LibStar (
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6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment (
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Fails GNG and NORG. No sources found meeting
WP:SIRS, nothing addressing the subject directly and indepth. Article does not indicate any engagements in which the unit was notable.
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Blog post/timeline, fails WP:RS, does not have SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indpeth |
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https://civilwarintheeast.com/confederate-regiments/north-carolina/6th-north-carolina-infantry-regiment/
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Enthusiast website, fails WP:RS |
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https://www.carolana.com/NC/Civil_War/6th_nc_volunteers_regiment.html
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Troop register, fails WP:IS, SIGCOV. Government troop registers do not show notability |
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https://www.carolana.com/NC/Civil_War/Register_of_North_Carolina_Troops_1861.pdf
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Fails WP:IS, WP:RS, Memories written down in 1901 source states, "WRITTEN BY MEMBERS OF THE RESPECTIVE COMMANDS." |
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https://www.carolana.com/NC/Civil_War/Histories_of_the_Several_Regiments_and_Battalions_from_NC_in_the_Great_War_Volume_I_Walter_Clark_1901.pdf
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Troop register, fails WP:IS, SIGCOV. Government troop registers do not show notability |
Register of North Carolina Troops, 1861, by John Spelman page 13.
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Duplicate of above ref |
Capt. Lawson Harrill on April 9, 1901, page 786-808 in the "History of the Several Regiments and Battalions from North Carolina in the Great War-'65-Volume 1.
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- Ping me if IS RS with SIGCOV are found. //
Timothy ::
talk 17:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions.
CAPTAIN RAJU
(T) 18:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
History and
Military.
WCQuidditch
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✎ 18:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: You might find more sources if you search the 16th North Carolina, which is apparently what this regiment was reorganized as in June 1861. The 16th doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia article, which is interesting given its combat history (Antietam, Gettysburg, Fredericksburg, and others). It might be worth rewriting the article for the 16th North Carolina, noting its origins as the 6th Volunteers.
Intothat
darkness 00:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Reply:This sounds like a good solution. If @
PaulusHectorMair: feels this is a good solution and wants to pursue it, I will support drafting as "16th North Carolina Infantry Regiment" or another appropriate title. The author is new, I'm not sure they know this discussion is taking place, PaulusHectorMair if you could reply here with your thoughts, even if it is just to let us know you are aware of the discussion. //
Timothy ::
talk 00:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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TimothyBlue,
Intothatdarkness, and
PaulusHectorMair: - Let's hold up a minute on this. There's a conflation going on here - the "6th North Carolina Volunteers" was the unit that became 16th Regiment per
this but there's also a separate 6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment. Per
this brief NPS listing it had quite a bit of fighting, and the State of North Carolina
published an entire book on this 6th Infantry.
Hog Farm
Talk 01:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Reply So if I'm following this right:
- This article (as currently written) is about the unit that was reorganized into the 16th North Carolina Infantry Regiment. Its currently named "6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment" but it was actually the "6th North Carolina Volunteers"
- There is another unit "6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment" that is unconnected to the current article or the 16th North Carolina Infantry Regiment.
- Let me know if I've got something wrong. //
Timothy ::
talk 01:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hog Farm, I thought about pinging you, but didn't want to run into the whole canvassing thing with AfD. The ACW isn't one of my major fields, especially Confederate units, so I just did a basic search. I wondered about the Volunteer/Infantry thing, but I've seen it used interchangeably with other units. I of course defer to your expertise.
Intothat
darkness 12:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Hello. I am indeed aware of this discussion and have been checking it every few hours or so. I would be open to pursuing an article on the 16th, as this was my original goal. I should have realized sooner that the two regiments were different, and frankly I am questioning my competence for such a silly mistake.
PaulusHectorMair (
talk) 01:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Making silly mistakes is part of the job... :) //
Timothy ::
talk 01:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Owen×
☎ 11:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now that the unit confusion is sorted, is there sourcing for this unit?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Star
Mississippi 12:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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