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List of centuries in Twenty20 International cricket

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T20I is a full-fledged international format. Despite it being very impressive that wikipedia has every century listed on here, the number will wound up very high in the future as the scope is too wide. If we begin compiling every test and odi century - it wont be feasable. Its good to have centuries for specific tournaments - be it international or domestic. Not every international. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 18:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Automated comment: This AfD cannot be processed correctly because of an issue with the header. Please make sure the header has only 1 article, and doesn't have any HTML encoded characters.— ^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 18:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 May 31. — ^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 18:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cricket and Lists. – Hilst [talk] 20:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep and have a discussion about the article scope, rather than deleting. The problem.is the ICC classes every T20 match between international teams the same, and so there is a lot of pointless matches like China vs Japan listed here. WP:NOTCLEANUP applies here, so article should be kept (and I would support changing it to just matches involving test playing nations). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 08:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Rugbyfan22@ Joseph2302 even if its every test playing nation only, it will still be a lot. Since there are more t20is being played, there will be a time in the next decade where this article has a couple hundred entries - constantly growing. This page does not exist for other formats. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 14:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The problem with your suggestion is another factor:

Lets say India and Nepal are playing in a T20I and an Indian player scores a century. That will be noted. But if in the same match a nepal player hits a century, that isnt noted. If you note that, and dont note centuries in a nepal vs namibia match, thats another conflict of exceptions.

There are times when full member teams and assosciate / non test teams play. what of those matches? Pharaoh496 ( talk) 14:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
An afghan player scored a century when afghanistan didnt play tests. Now it does. What of that listing? You have a good faith proposal, but it wont work. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 14:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep Agree with Joseph2302s comments, needs a change of scope, but should be kept. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Manoj Bhagawati

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No more information available on this topic, The article did not edit from much time. And no importance of this article.... Many regions to delete it. Manoj Bhagawati is/was not famous cricketer. Paigaonwasii. — Preceding undated comment added 08:43, 30 May 2024‎ (UTC) reply

Note: I have added this nomination to today's daily AfD log; it had not previously been listed in one. (Usually a bot fixes this; not sure why that hasn't happened here.) No opinion or comment at this time. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Cricket, and Assam. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect to List of Assam cricketers Likely fails WP:GNG, however suitable redirect exits per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 10:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar ( talk) 23:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Bermuda Smash Invitational

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Non-notable cricket tournament which fails WP:GNG, WP:NCRIC, and WP:EVENT. AA ( talk) 13:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. AA ( talk) 13:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, United Kingdom, and Caribbean. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak keep There is what looks to be WP:GNG on the tournament in media, although a lot of it from Bermudian related sources. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 18:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read!
Talk!} 20:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

W. G. Grace's cricket career (1864 to 1870)

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Too much cruft, must be deleted as per convention to remove the australian fanfict articles Pharaoh496 ( talk) 18:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, History, Cricket, and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Also pinging @ JoelleJay @ Trainsandotherthings @ Serial Number 51429 as I have seen them in support for such article removals Pharaoh496 ( talk) 05:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:APPNOTE says "The audience must not be selected on the basis of their opinions—for example, if notices are sent to editors who previously supported deleting an article, then identical notices should be sent to those who supported keeping it." James500 ( talk) 04:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Naughty, WP:CANVASSing shouldn't be carried out! AA ( talk) 12:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Yes, this is clear WP:CANVASSing of people they expect to vote with them. This canvassing should be considered by the closer of this AFD. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ AA @ James500 like I replied to Joseph2302 on my talk - I have pinged those who also voiced against such votes. The sole purpose of me pinging them was to invite more people into the discussion. I dont cherry pick people of one stance and bring them here. Afaik; thats allowed by the first para in WP:CANVASS. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 06:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Ill take that my wording says otherwise - my intentions dont Pharaoh496 ( talk) 06:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

Pharaoh496 ( talk) 05:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment What are you referring to by "australian fanfict articles"? -1ctinus📝 🗨 01:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
- Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948, discussion to merge completed (please see said discussion)
- Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1956 and Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1953 already merged, deleted earlier. However this set of wg grace articles have hardly one ga, so many stubs and other full of stuff not required. They arent notable enough for wikipedia.
Pharaoh496 ( talk) 04:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
If the two pages was merged they should not have been deleted. Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. If you copy some text from another Wikipedia page it should be clear in the edit summary and/or the talk page where the text came from. Wikipedia is not public domain. Christian75 ( talk) 11:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Right. I havent done that mate, just nominated these pages Pharaoh496 ( talk) 13:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Noting that I was pinged to this discussion, and that I'm not a fan of these articles, I believe we should delete all as fundamental violations of WP:NOT as cricket statistics turned into articles due to one person's consumption by what I like to call the cricket insanity. They are also clearly non-notable as the sources cover Grace's entire career, not simply his performance in any given event. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 20:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Probably merge the shorter articles, with less referencing, to larger articles covering longer periods of time. These articles do not consist entirely of statistics, though it may be appropriate to cut some material from them. A chronological split of our W G Grace article will satisfy GNG. See, for example, the coverage of the 1880s in Bax's chapter "The Glorious Eighties" [1]; the chapter on Grace in Portraits of the Eighties: [2]; Midwinter's chapters 7 and 8 on 1879 to 1891: [3]; and Darwin's chapter 6 on 1880 to 1891: [4]. So you could certainly write an article on W. G. Grace in the 1880s or the period 1879 to 1891. The question is not whether the main biography article should be split, but how. W G Grace is the subject of a large number of entire books, since he is probably considered the greatest cricketer of all time, so his biography is not realistically going to fit in a single article. James500 ( talk) 04:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Well other cricketers with longer careers do also have same articles. One new thing that has been inspired from football articles is a seperate career page - Career of Lionel Messi. Since Virat Kohli's page was long, I made this article Career of Virat Kohli. Maybe something similar? Pharaoh496 ( talk) 04:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete/merge all Is this a mockery of some sort? Sure you can split some details from the main article, but why the hell would you make more than a dozen subarticles, each with just a few paragraphs? WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:NOTSTATS come to mind here, we don't need prose sections for every season with the stats. Reywas92^Talk 20:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Reywas92, I don't think there's much content at all that could be merged. Having checked a few of the pages, much of the text is already repeated verbatim in the main bio. JoelleJay ( talk) 22:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete. I have never looked at these articles before, but would assume they would all be mostly more than a few sentences! The W. G. Grace in the 1878 English cricket season article can be selectively merged. AA ( talk) 12:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge – The player is very notable in Cricket, but it is possible to summarize the information in the main article, or recreate it in a less number of forks. Svartner ( talk) 22:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment Just a reminder, you can't argue for a Merge or a Redirect without providing a specific list of what the target article is for each article being discussed. The discussion closer carries out the consensus, they can't make these decisions up on their own. It's the discussants' role to provide a full resolution to an AFD nomination, not just an outcome. Otherwise, the closer might have to dismiss these kinds of opinions. Liz ^{Read!
Talk!} 23:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I mean merging these various articles into something more direct, like " W. G. Grace's cricket career". I understand that it is possible to summarize the main content to avoid this number of forks. Svartner ( talk) 08:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Liz, I am not aware of any policy, guideline or consensus that says that. I do not think that is how we normally deal with mass proposals. The number of articles nominated, and the number of book chapters that would have to be examined, would make it difficult to compile a complete list of merger targets in the 7 days of an AfD. I think it is perfectly acceptable to say that articles should be merged in accordance with the scope of the chronological chapters in those books, and then leave the final determination to the WP:PROPMERGE process, which does not have a 7 day deadline. For the avoidance of doubt, I have proposed an intial merge of the relevant three articles to W. G. Grace's life from 1879 to 1891 based on the scope of the book chapters I mentioned. To insist that I provide, within 7 days, a list of each and every other target based on the other chronological chapters in those books (and their chapters are chronological) is certainly obstructive, and might confront me with a WP:FAITACCOMPLIS. I see no reason why a closing admin cannot look at the chronological scope of the chapters of those books. James500 ( talk) 15:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Why are books even in question? Material / content from books do not have to be entirely pasted on here - WikiPedia isnt an alternative for any book. It should contain all relevant information - there is no point making a page of any period of life for any person. Pharaoh496 ( talk) 07:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Like I mentioned - a seperate article called Career of W.G. Grace, which is like a few prexisting articles. That covers all Pharaoh496 ( talk) 17:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. Noting that I was pinged here after having participated in several other cricket career salami-slice article discussions (many non-AfDs). FWIW, I definitely would have !voted in this even without being pinged since I watch the sportspeople delsort. Anyway, I agree with TaOT and AA (!!!) that these articles are not salvageable and should be deleted (with maybe some content from the 1878 one merged?). They are largely prosifications of routine, primary stats reports from CricketArchive with a handful of trivial anecdotes and quotes sprinkled in. If there was anything from these time periods worth including in the main article it would not be from these articles and therefore merging is not appropriate.
As an example, of the 1871 sources: 34/58 sources are stats, corresponding to 1480/2348 words. Of the remainder, 777 are to presumably secondary independent sources, with 640 words outside the lead. Out of those 640, 411 are repeated verbatim (or nearly) in the main page. That leaves the total amount of content that could be merged at 229 words:
Grace turned 23 in July 1871
Grace in 1871 was principally involved with four teams: the Gentlemen, Gloucestershire County Cricket Club, Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) and the United South of England Eleven (USEE).
1871 was a wet summer and, even when the rain relented, there was a persistent chilly wind.[8] Grace, however, had the skill and resilience to cope with adverse conditions and some of his best batting performances were achieved on wet wickets.
This innings was played on a "sticky wicket" after rain and many people considered it the finest of Grace's career, though Grace himself disagreed.
Grace began the innings cautiously and took fifteen minutes to score his first run but then, records Rae, he "scored at a cracking pace".[9] MCC Secretary Harry Perkins had no doubts and insisted that it was Grace's greatest-ever performance with rain frequently stopping play and making the wicket at times "unplayable".
Grace's presence ensured a bumper crowd with over £400 being taken at the gate. This money went a long way towards the £1500 that Nottinghamshire needed to erect the Trent Bridge Pavilion.
Simon Rae remarked that cricket enthusiasts still argue about Grace's "greatest season" and that 1871 features in any such discussion.
He took 79 wickets at 17.02 with a best analysis of 7–67. He claimed five wickets in an innings 5 times and twice had 10 in a match.
The bolded "finest" innings being referred to is from a "Married v. Single" first-class match, which I've gone ahead and merged into the main article (with author attribution). The rest of the material is trivial or would be redundant. Considering the 1871 page is one of the few containing any unique non-trivial, non-primary content, I think it is reasonable to consider the rest of the articles unsalvageable forks that should be deleted rather than merged. JoelleJay ( talk) 18:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete Cruft-based forks of the main biography. Pickersgill-Cunliffe ( talk) 20:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since there's a valid ATD on the table, per Liz's comment, it would be helpful to know what information should be merged and to where.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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