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MonkeySports

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Fails WP:NCORP. All the coverage I find is WP:ROUTINE and doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 ( talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete I don't see sources out there. This article reads as WP:PROMO. – Muboshgu ( talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

List of members of the Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame

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Merge with Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame - the parent article is not that detailed except for a detail of how people are elected to it so I don't see any particular reason for there to be a seperate page for inductees. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Please note that I'm not in favor of deletion at all. I think having all this info on one page is a better approach. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 12:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

WP:PM for merge requests. Conyo14 ( talk) 14:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

It's very rarely used, this is generally an okay place to have these discussions. A lot more people see it. Esolo5002 ( talk) 21:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Conyo14, thank you for the info. I was not aware of WP:PM. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 22:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Merge per nom. This can also be procedurally closed and a merge discussion opened per Conyo14. If this is done, please ping me so I can comment there. However, this is the venue currently open for me to make my !vote. Frank Anchor 19:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge Separate page is not necessary. And given the disfunction of WP:PM for merge requests, I understand using AfD to seek a merge. – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Cullen Large

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 00:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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A very easy keep. This biography clears GNG and NSPORTS by more than a lot of sports bios I've seen here. There is WP:SIGCOV in The Province, Baseball America, and Sportsnet, all of which are WP:SIRS. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 01:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep: The subject meets WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV from multiple reliable sources. JTtheOG ( talk) 01:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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Weak delete I created this article as a redirect to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players, but I don't think Large is notable enough for a standalone article. The Baseball America reference is a general stat page that all minor league prospects have. In my opinion we only have 2 refs contributing towards notability in terms of SIGCOV (The Province & Sportsnet). If more SIGCOV is found I do think that the article should probably be kept. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 14:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The Baseball America link is an article, not a stats page. Dclemens1971 ( talk) 16:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Carey Schueler

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Subject's only claim to fame is that she was the first woman MLB drafted and thus, they lifted their ban on drafting women, both of which are already mentioned in Women in baseball and her dad's articles. While that may be the case, she never actually played in any MLB or even MiLB game unlike Kelsie Whitmore. Her time in high school and college are not worth mentioning as she was not a star athlete in either cases. The sources backing these claims are either dead links or only mention her briefly and I cannot find enough coverage for her in general to meet WP:GNG or WP:NATHLETE anyway. The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 19:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Strong Keep. Besides the fact that it feels wrong to relegate a woman who broke through in a male dominated field to a mention in her male relative's article (in an encyclopedia which already has a gender gap issue), her drafting was very significant, lead to a rule change and also, notably not a publicity stunt but based on a genuine assessment of her talent. She is well covered in literature on the subject ( 1). The article could certainly use expansion (I'd like to find information on her performance in her senior year season, for instance), but that by itself is not reason to delete it any more than any other stub article. 🌸wasianpower🌸 ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

How you "feel" is not a legit reason to keep an article. I am sure many other editors' personal point of views conflict with the rules here, but they can do nothing about it. Most of those books in that Google search only mention her for a single sentence or paragraph. That is certainly not "well covered." The Legendary Ranger ( talk) 22:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

The first word in my comment is that besides the fact that it feels wrong. I'm also not talking about my personal feelings here, but commenting on how doing things like redirecting a woman's page to her male relative's only enforces systematic gender bias on wikipedia. Many of the books contain only a paragraph mention, but several of them do contain more coverage than that. 🌸wasianpower🌸 ( talk • contribs) 15:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Merge with Women in baseball per WP:BLP1E. While being the first female drafted in MLB is a big deal, the subject did not sign with, let alone play for, any professional baseball organization. Outside of that, she had a rather unremarkable college basketball career. This person is clearly defined by a single event. She can adequately be covered at the proposed target article, even if information about her high school baseball career is added as suggested by Wasianpower. Frank Anchor 22:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Redirect per WP:BLP1E. She was drafted by a team which had her father as general manager, she wasn't signed to a contract, and (per the Chicago Tribune reference) she hadn't played baseball for two years before being drafted. The facts suggest this was a stunt for attention. As there is no substantial coverage of her other than that event, I must vote to redirect. Leaning towards Ron Schueler as the target over Women in baseball, as that article is more likely to contain more than de minimis discussion of her. Walsh90210 ( talk) 23:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

I strongly oppose Ron Schueler as a target. Casey Schueler is most notable for being the first woman drafted by MLB, not for being Ron’s daughter. Frank Anchor 00:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Strongly agree with this. 🌸wasianpower🌸 ( talk • contribs) 14:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep for two reasons: First, there is a discrete entry about Carey Schueler in two different baseball encyclopedias: Donald Dewey, Nicholas Acocella, and Jerome Holtzman's The New Biographical History of Baseball: The Classic—Completely Revised (Triumph Books, 2002) and Leslie A. Heaphy and Mel Anthony May's Encyclopedia of Women and Baseball ( McFarland & Company, 2006), indicating that in the field of baseball history Schueler is considered sufficiently notable for inclusion in encyclopedias. Second, the second criterion of WP:ANYBIO is has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field, and Schueler precipitated the MLB to change a rule about signing contracts for women), an enduring contribution to baseball. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 07:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Registration of players under control (Nippon Professional Baseball)

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This does not appear to be a notable topic, with most references to NPB.jp (the league website) and the Japan Professional Baseball Players Association. Lacking independent reliable sourced coverage. – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Keep. This is a clearly notable topic somewhat analogous to the Rule 5 draft in American baseball, and contrasting with Developmental player system (Nippon Professional Baseball). Players must be "registered" in order to play in top-league games, and it is significant news whenever new players are registered. There are sources available in English (e.g. this academic article from Marquette Sports Law Review, Through Sweat and Tears: High School Baseball and the Socialization of Japanese Boys from the University of Michigan in 2005, and numerous news articles about the decisions to register particular players), and it appears no WP:BEFORE was conducted in Japanese, where we see books like 「プロ野球・二軍の謎」(Mysteries of NPB's Minor League, Gentosha, 2017, here), 「プロ野球ビジネスのダイバーシティ戦略」(How Independent Leagues Promote Diversity in Japan, PHP, 2019, here), or 「プロ野球の経済学」(The Economics of NPB, Tōyō Keizai, 2016, here). All of these were found in just a few minutes and I'm sure there is much more available when searching for "registered player"+"NPB" or "developmental player"+"NPB". Dekimasu よ! 00:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

I do not speak Japanese. You're going to have to share what these books actually say, so that we can judge if it's in-depth coverage or WP:ROUTINE mentions. – Muboshgu ( talk) 00:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

A significant amount of each book-length project listed, as implied by my translations of the book titles, plus apparently dozens more books. I'm not sure it's helpful to do a news or books WP:BEFORE search for "支配下登録" (if you did so), see hundreds or thousands of direct hits in both books and newspapers, and discard all of them due to not understanding Japanese. I'm not sure what you want me to describe about all of the sources either; they describe the contents that are described in the article, the history of the system, its implications for players participating in the system, the commemoration ceremonies for being registered, etc. Dekimasu よ! 01:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep per Dekimasu. Multiple books discussing the subject passes GNG. DCsansei ( talk) 19:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Cesar Bernhardt

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Article recreated Sadads ( talk) 00:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete Subject wasn't notable in 2007, isn't notable now. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete lacks verifiable sources and significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources. Additionally, the content primarily consists of unsubstantiated claims and original research-- Assirian cat ( talk) 07:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

James Garcia

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Non-notable baseball player. Article was deleted by discussion in 2007 and then recreated in 2014. It's different enough to not be speedily deleted, I think. Subject does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NSPORTS. – Muboshgu ( talk) 00:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete, as per nom. - Samoht27 ( talk) 19:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Matt Hannaford

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despite being flagged for improvement for nearly a decade now, the article still has major issues. much of the article seems to be either original research, or things Matt has been only involved with tangentially (like stars his coworkers at the company represented). this could be improved if the article met WP:BIO, but even that seems doubtful. Free Realist 9 ( talk) 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a center fielder leaders

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I'm not seeing any coverage of this specific statistic beyond the list maintained by Baseball-Reference.com ( [1]), having searched the internet, Google Books, and Google Scholar. We appear to fall short of WP:LISTN, and this title does not seem to make for an appropriate redirect to any more general article. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete This title is so oddly specific that it took me a second to figure out what the list even was. This is not a notable topic for a list. QuicoleJR ( talk) 19:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
To be fair, baseball is notorious for keeping extremely specific records. But that doesn't mean every possible statistic meets LISTN, and currently we've identified only a single source covering this statistic. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom, but can we just appreciate the specificity of the title. Like specifically center fielders with double plays is something to really keep track of. Only baseball-reference would have this stat too. I think I feel bad for the author(s) for this likely deletion. Conyo14 ( talk) 04:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep. Outfield assist leaders are notable, and double play leaders are notable; this seems a worthwhile combination of the two. Newyorkbrad ( talk) 13:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete per failing WP:LISTN and WP:NOTSTATS. – Muboshgu ( talk) 14:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Can anyone tell me why this article is up for deletion? And if someway to make sure that article don't deleted at all, tell me of how to fix the article ASAP so the deletion notice is taken off the article. SO please, ask me because I put alot of sweat and tears into this article and I pray that I know how to fix this problem as quickly as possible. Thank you and good day. BaseballFanatic1 ( talk) 17:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
As I and the various editors who have !voted delete have noted, you need to provide sources that demonstrate that this topic meets WP:LISTN. So, multiple reliable sources (both lists and prose coverage would be considered, although prose is definitely better) that enumerate or discuss this specific statistic. Currently only one has been identified, baseball-reference.com _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Not saying this meets WP:LISTN, but there is also Statmuse and Baseball Almanac - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 01:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Perhaps List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders is a notable group (have not researched myself) but not for position-specific stats. I cannot confirm though. - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 01:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete: This topic fails to have the necessary sources discussing this grouping, and as such WP:LISTN is not met. While it is clear that the creator put a lot of work into this article, it is not suitable for wikipedia. I'd encourage them to WP:TRYANOTHER. Let'srun ( talk) 19:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: This is an unfortunate can of worms you are opening up here. Obviously WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, namely List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a pitcher leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a catcher leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a first baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a second baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a third baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a shortstop leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders. Always unfortunate to see volunteer time wasted. I personally see the value of it. Hope to hear that RS sources can be provided. Best, - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 01:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment: IMO not really fair that this article is being targeted. There is also List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a right fielder leaders and so on... all of which seem to have the same possible WP:LISTN problems. What makes this set different from those? - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 01:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The reasoning as to "why this article" was that it was a new article awaiting review, that had already been tagged for {{ notability}} for over two months without improvement. The other articles would appear to be an example of WP:FAITACCOMPLI/ WP:OSE. Moreover, given baseball's noted interest in arcane statistics, I think it's entirely plausible that a nontrivial amount of the above actually do meet WP:LISTN, and need individual WP:BEFOREs to be carried out prior to nomination rather than presupposing that they all have the same level of coverage. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 13:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
possible Keep (TBD) per WP:TRAINWRECK, we all know there are thousands and thousands of stat articles that possibly suffer from the same exact problem but people recognize their encyclopedic value. - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 02:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
On a side note, it's not like the article is outdated... the creator of the article is actively updating it. Look forward to everyone's feedback. - BeFriendlyGoodSir ( talk) 02:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Perhaps the nom wants to go one by one? Mass nomination could be messy. Conyo14 ( talk) 03:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

This objection is silly, a trainwreck would be guaranteed to occur if and only if this were a mass-nomination. There is nothing stopping editors from discussing the relative merits of this list and coming to a clear consensus. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 13:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Keep.. I'm not sure about the subject matter but considering how many articles of similar types that exist it doesnt make sense to delete this particular one. Though i couldnt really understand if this was for hitting into a double play (which isnt really fielding position specific) or turning double plays as a fielder... Probably needs some actual discussion on the project page about these pages.. maybe the title should be List of Major League Baseball career double plays turned as a center fielder leaders Spanneraol ( talk) 02:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
These should be "List of Major League Baseball career leaders in double plays as a center fielder" maybe. Rgrds. -- BX ( talk) 04:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Procedural Keep There are too many other DP articles. If anything all three OF (LF/RF/CF) DP lists should be merged/redirected to List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders. I don't see why CF is targeted over RF or LF. Rgrds. -- BX ( talk) 04:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply

John William Goff (baseball)

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I can't find any evidence to substantiate a Major League Baseball player with this name. The article was created back in 2012 by User:AndyGoff. This appears to be a hoax. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 22:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Speedy delete per WP:G3 as a hoax. There is nobody by that name who played in the major or minor leagues. – Muboshgu ( talk) 23:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Delete.. there was a William Thomas Goff a.k.a. Bill Goff [2] that played in the Giants farm system in the 40s... not sure if that is the same person but regardless never played in the majors. Correction... I think I found the player indicated [3] J. William Goff with the Cards D league team in 44. Still not notable but probably not a complete hoax. [4] Spanneraol ( talk) 00:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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Delete not a hoax - he was a minor league player and he is in the St Louis Amateur Baseball Hall of Fame. However he does not pass GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 00:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Korry Howell

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai ( talk) 22:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Weak keep: Also found this [5], with the Chicago Tribune article, we probably have enough for basic notability, was an up-and-coming minor leaguer, then it didn't work out. Was notable at a one point, so should be ok. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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