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Category:Germanic folklore

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Category:Government-owned beauty pageants

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The result of the discussion was: Delete ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 2 P, 0 C. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 23:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Beauty pageants for married contestants

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Category:Battles in Drenthe

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: First: It's a WP:SMALLCAT (1 P), but it can be expanded with stuff like Battle of Ane. More importantly: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 24#Category:Battles in Flanders set a precedent by deleting Category:Battles in Flanders and Category:Battles in Wallonia with the rationale: trivial intersection between military history and modern regions by language. My own support comment was: We categorise Category:Battles by "country" (i.e. "battles involving country X"), "period", "type" (naval, aerial etc.), and "war", but not location or geography. (French Wikipedia is one of very few who have a fr:Catégorie:Bataille par lieu, but apart from fr:Catégorie:Bataille sur le sol français, it is relatively empty). Only Flemish and Walloon nationalists would frame battles in terms of Flanders and Wallonia, especially if there is no parent Category:Battles in Belgium.
It turns out that Category:Battles in the Netherlands by province and its children were created only recently on 12 January 2021‎. There still is no Category:Battles by location or Battles by geography or anything like that. It's a "category tree orphan", just like Category:Battles in Flanders and Category:Battles in Wallonia were. Its parent Category:Battles involving the Netherlands is misleading, because "the Netherlands" as such wasn't necessarily a belligerent in these battles; they just took place on what is nowadays the territory of the Netherlands. (At the time of, say, the Siege of Deventer (1456), the Netherlands didn't even exist as a state yet). I think we should follow precedent and delete any battles category based on location/geography as a WP:NONDEFINING WP:TRIVIAL WP:CROSSCAT. If we decide that it is still worth defining, then we should agree to set up a proper tree, and consider a WP:REFUND for Category:Battles in Flanders and Category:Battles in Wallonia. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 22:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Marcocapelle: Follow-up to your nom on Flanders and Wallonia. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 22:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Update Marcocapelle and I propose the Manescheut ( M[erging] Ane / Scheut) principle: We put battle articles into historically applicable territory categories / trees such as the Battle of Scheut ( nl:Slag bij Scheut) into Category:Duchy of Brabant, unless these don't exist, in which case we put them in a History of (modern territory) category, such as Battle of Ane into Category:History of Drenthe. We strive to apply the Manescheut principle in future CfMs pertaining to existing Battle in Fooland categories. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 13:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to Category:History of Drenthe. The analogy with Flanders/Wallonia is not quite right though. If we would create something similar there, it should e.g. become Category:Battles in Hainaut. But that would create ambiguity e.g. for Category:Battles in Brabant because meanwhile the duchy of Brabant has been split in four modern provinces. So I would rather not categorize battles by modern province at all, even if some modern provinces, like Drenthe in this case, have a very long history. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:18, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    Good point. I was thinking something similar. Cats such as Category:Battles in Limburg (Netherlands), Category:Battles in North Brabant, Category:Battles in North Holland and Category:Battles in South Holland are based on the post-1839 borders, but contain mostly pre-1839 battles. E.g. during the Siege of Venlo (1373), most Venlonaren would probably have never even heard of "Limburg", much less a "Kingdom of the Netherlands". In that sense, these categories are somewhat similar to "Flanders" and "Wallonia", terms for the two linguistic-cultural regions of Belgium that became well-established in the 1830s and 1840s (before the language border was demarcated in 1963, and the country fully federalised in the 1990s). And although terms such as "Drenthe" and "Overijssel" have existed for much longer, "Drenthe" certainly didn't yet have its modern borders in 1227 ( Battle of Ane), and if I'm not mistaken, the word Overissel does not show up in the historical record until 1458. These modern provincial borders just don't work very well for categorising battles.
    But even categorising them by Category:History of Drenthe doesn't really solve this problem, does it? For Ane it is fine, but Siege of Venlo (1373) still won't really match the history of the post-1839 province of Limburg (Netherlands) (we cannot put it earlier than 1815)... Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 06:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
nominator carried away, but not relevant to closure
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Category:Emirs of Madagali

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The result of the discussion was: Merge ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 ( talk) 20:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Surnames

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The result of the discussion was: Delete ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME and WP:SMALLCAT. jlwoodwa ( talk) 20:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. We categorize families (if a larger number of articles exists), not names. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • What number of articles is required to justify a dedicated category? Indeed the combination De Liagre Böhl seems unique and so anyway too rare. Thanks, Hansmuller ( talk) 09:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Hansmuller: Smallcat doesn't give a number but the working consensus has often been 5 articles, although not all editors would agree. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 19:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Countries results at Miss Earth

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The result of the discussion was: Delete ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 ( talk) 19:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church by country

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To match the parent article Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 15:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Euskal Herriko Futbol Txapelketa

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The result of the discussion was: Delete ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Single-article category for annual football friendly match - series justifies an article but not each edition, so no prospect of expansion of cat Crowsus ( talk) 15:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Sorry, I forget that's there sometimes. Crowsus ( talk) 13:06, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mission schools in Brunei

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Schools founded by missionaries ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "Mission schools" is unique category name. Deletion or alternative option like we have Category:Schools in Sri Lanka founded by missionaries Estopedist1 ( talk) 14:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • The articles are already in primary, secondary schools in Brunei. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:03, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Health professionals

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming:
107 " Fooian people in health professions"
54 "People in health professions from Foo"
13 "People from Foo in health professions"
Nominator's rationale: for brevity and simplicity.
I see no significant difference in meaning between "People in health professions" and "Health professionals", but the current phrase "People in health professions" is unnecessarily verbose and clumsy. This has led to a confusing variety of formats, which I have grouped above.
Note that there are various other ways in which we could label this set of people, but for now it would be helpful if we could just simplify the wording, without prejudice to any further discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs)
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Category:High-stakes poker players

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The result of the discussion was: Delete ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: There is no official definition of "high stakes" in poker. Clarityfiend ( talk) 10:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Also, there are very few, if any, notable low- or middle-stakes poker players ( Richard Nixon). Clarityfiend ( talk) 11:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
But that just because every midstakes player gets discarded as not noteworthy, eventhue they have merit of inclusion based on their performance on the circuit tour. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee ( talk) 14:39, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Religious groups in Trinidad and Tobago

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The result of the discussion was: Delete ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: phrase "Religious groups" is unique. No point to make a redirect to Category:Religious organisations based in Trinidad and Tobago, because just a clutter phrase for enwiki Estopedist1 ( talk) 10:30, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Colossal Order (company) games

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:SHORTFORM Unnamelessness ( talk) 09:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:English cricket captains

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This is for captains of the England team ("This category is for the cricketers who have captained England in at least one match", consistent with its subcat Category:England Test cricket captains and many others in Category:Test cricket captains; also List of England cricket captains. The incorrect subcategories for county captains should be removed [now done].
On a related issue, Meg Lanning is in Category:Australia Test cricket captains whereas Heather Knight (cricketer) is not in Category:England Test cricket captains and neither is Charlotte Edwards. Oculi ( talk) 09:00, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Support in principle, but oppose the naming. Whilst I support this, my concern lies around the subcategories, which are predominantly English county teams. Many of these would have been captained by people who were not English. Maybe it needs to be renamed to something along the lines of Category:Captains of teams in English senior cricket. I see that's a bit washy, but something more specific. StickyWicket aka AA ( talk) 09:51, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. The proposed new titles implies that is for "captains of the England cricket team", but the scope of the category is not "captains of the England cricket team". -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    • The scope is exactly captains of the England cricket team (except the women are missing, which is easily remedied); the wording of the category description has changed somewhat but in 2004 it was "This is a list of the 75 cricketers who have captained England in at least one test match" and the word 'test' was dropped in this edit in 2007. In fact there are 2 England cricket teams in each format, men's and wowen's. Football and rugby have avoided this by not having categories for captains but I suppose the role of the captain in cricket is crucial. Oculi ( talk) 01:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Support renaming to reflect scope and usage, i.e. captains of England cricket teams (irrespective of their nationality), not captains (of any cricket teams) who are/were of English nationality. wjemather please leave a message... 13:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dutch political prisoners

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The result of the discussion was: Rename ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C siblings in Category:Political prisoners by country are almost all named Category:Political prisoners in Fooland. I think this category is meant for the location in which political prisoners have been detained, rather than their nationality. In this case, all 17 people in the category just so happen to have been both imprisoned in the Netherlands (including the former colony of the Dutch East Indies, which was part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands until 1949) and have had Dutch nationality, but that's not always the case. Dutch nationals could be imprisoned abroad, and non-Dutch nationals could be imprisoned in the Netherlands. (Compare Otto Warmbier, a U.S. national imprisoned in North Korea; there is even a whole Category:American people imprisoned in North Korea like Warmbier). Incidentally, the 12 people in child Category:Boven-Digoel concentration camp detainees are all already in parent Category:Dutch political prisoners, so there is some overcat here. Nevertheless, this subcategory is even more clearly about location rather than nationality; " Boven-Digoel concentration camp" was obviously not a country, let alone a nationality, but a location inside the former Dutch East Indies, in a region today known as the Boven Digoel Regency in the Indonesian province of South Papua. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 08:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
PS: Sibling Category:Political prisoners in former countries with items Political prisoners in Francoist Spain, Political prisoners in Imperial Japan, and Political prisoners in Yugoslavia, seems to confirm location rather than nationality. If this nomination receives support, I plan on CfRing the following siblings next: Category:Hong Kong political prisoners (cat description Current or former political prisoners in Hong Kong., emphasis by me), Category:Indonesian political prisoners, Category:Omani political prisoners (1 P SMALLCAT), Category:Polish political prisoners (main article Political prisoners in Poland), Category:Romanian political prisoners (contradictory parentage), and Category:Russian political prisoners (contradictory parentage). Parent Category:Political prisoners by country should then also probably be renamed Category:Political prisoners by country of detention to avoid further ambiguities and confusion. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 09:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
PPS: Incidentally, Category:Indonesian political prisoners also includes Category:Boven-Digoel concentration camp detainees. I guess this is because the Republik Indonesia has claimed sovereignty over the entire territory of the Dutch East Indies since its 17 August 1945 Proclamation of Indonesian Independence (Proklamasi), which the Netherlands did not recognise until the 27 December 1949 cession of sovereignty (soevereiniteitsoverdracht). So, having them in both in the Netherlands and in Indonesia may actually be a good idea per WP:NPOV, because then Wikipedia doesn't take a side on the question who was the legitimate authority in Boven-Digoel between 17 August 1945 and 27 December 1949. According to the Netherlands (and formally, probably also under international law), it was "Dutch" territory in which a rebellion against the Dutch government was taking place until 27 December 1949; according to the Republik Indonesia, it was "Indonesian" territory from 17 August 1945 onwards, which was temporarily occupied by the Dutch military during the Indonesian National Revolution (as part of the Netherlands' attempts to retain the Dutch East Indies as its colony) and (ab)used for detaining Republik Indonesia-aligned combatants in Dutch captivity. As a (Dutch) historian (residing in the Netherlands), I can understand both points of view. The Netherlands took even longer to recognise Belgium's independence between 1830 and 1839, but the Dutch withdrawal after the 1831 Ten days' campaign essentially made Belgian independence a fait accompli, and English Wikipedia usually also categorises all things Belgian as if the country has existed since the 4 October 1830 proclamation of independence (e.g. Category:Battles involving Belgium starts in 1830). It is also for this reason why I took 1829 as the end date for the List of wars in the southern Low Countries (1560–1829), so that from 1830 onwards, the List of wars involving Belgium can begin. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 09:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Support renaming per nomination as well. As someone who spent a fair amount of time working on some of these articles in past years I see no reason to object to this slight reframing of the category to fit better with how things are done elsewhere. Dan Carkner ( talk) 12:26, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    Thanks for co-creating the category tree, and your support for renaming! Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 18:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    My pleasure. At some point in the future I hope to continue contributing more to this topic area and filling the categories a bit more. Dan Carkner ( talk) 13:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 16:03, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Assassinated Central American politicians‎

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 09:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, apparently abandoned category scheme. I am also not sure if generally North American categories need to be diffused to Central American. It seems enough to diffuse by country. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:10, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - this was a misconceived idea. (There is Category:Central American political people.) Oculi ( talk) 07:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I'm generally open to expanding the Central America category tree but not here: this is a lot of overhead for what is currently 1 article ( Mario Méndez Montenegro). I'm sure there's some growth potential but not enough to justify the tree. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 10:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete "Central America" is quite uncommon for categorisation. "North America" and "Latin America" are more common, though I will admit that "North America" is often just "United States + Canada" in practice, even though it should encompass "Central America" in theory. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 18:39, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sentient objects in fiction

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, so rename to Category:Fiction about sentient objects, which follows many similar precedents. No objection to creating a list which could include objects that should be taken out of the renamed category – so I will list the current contents on the category talk page. – Fayenatic London 10:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: More narrow scope; doesn't include fiction with minor mentions. Not sure why the object has to necessarily be sentient to qualify, so I modified it to "intelligent". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 18:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Support "Fiction about" per nom. However I doubt if these objects can be called intelligent. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:46, 30 April 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment It seems like a contradictio in terminis to label an "object" "sentient". Objects are inanimate, beings are sentient. Of course, in fiction everything is possible, and its subcategory Toy Story is a well-known example of that, but this parent seems difficult to define. A lot of items in this Category:Sentient objects in fiction don't seem to belong here. E.g. is the "Wind Waker" in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker "sentient"? Seems like a magical object but I wouldn't call it an organism that is alive or something. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 20:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC) reply
  • That is also a good point. Perhaps we should just delete the category after manually checking that the objects are somewhere in the tree of Category:Magic items. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Support "Fiction about", since it widens the scope considerably. The current title implies that the articles are about the objects, rather than the works of fiction. But I prefer to keep the description about sentience. These are objects depicted as having a life , intelligence, and emotions of their own. Dimadick ( talk) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Listify, if wanted. This is all WP:OR. And even if it wasn't, this is conflating animated objects, with AI, with posession, with anthropomorhic objects, with, with, with... Every entry need explanation and clarification. Can't be done through categorisation. - jc37 10:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Support Fiction about. Don't know why this was relisted twice. Randy Kryn ( talk) 05:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, with no objection to also creating Category:Fiction about sentient objects or even Category:Fiction about objects which appear to be sentient. ("Intelligent" opens up a different can of worms.) There are objects with their own articles: HAL 9000, Category:Fictional robots, Category:Fictional artificial intelligences. Clarityfiend ( talk) 11:42, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete / Listify with WP:RS per Jc37, who best captures what I was observing with my initial comment. These are quite disparate items that may not even be able to be lumped together under any heading. But if possible, this should be a list that fulfills the WP:LISTCRIT in some way, supported by WP:RS in each case, and otherwise removed. Categorisation isn't a good idea if we can't agree what we're even talking about, much less provide sources which may explain / demonstrate it. The proposed renaming doesn't address this fundamental question; e.g. the "Wind Waker" in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker seems like a magical object, but neither "sentient" nor "intelligent", and it probably requires too much in-universe knowledge to even WP:V this stuff. Listify with WP:RS, or nothing. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 18:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete / listify per jc37 and above. —  Qwerfjkl talk 16:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose - maybe listify. I'm of the opinion that "fiction about..." entails that the story is about the objects; looking at Toy Story as a cited example, main characters are sentient, but the story is about aspects of human emotion and experience first and the characters could just as easily have been animals or people. In order to be about the objects, you'd need some aspect of origin and mechanistic understanding, or at least magical explanation, neither of which are present (unlike Chucky ahem). To the "why sentient?" - Sentient need not be human level intelligence, but simply an ability to perceive and be self-aware; semantics maybe. Why am I on the fence between keeping and listifying the category? I think it is a valid concern about WP:Original research and this being a type of interpretive category. There are few cases where a human character explicitly points out that a character is a sentient object, and even if it were said, rarer still that this would feature in a WP:RS. Also, how do we distinguish between innate vs imbued sentience; consider the case of the rock characters in Everything Everywhere All at Once; they are imbued with sentience as they are manifestations of human (or meta-human) characters - do they belong in this category? (let's assume for a moment there is an article about the rocks - which would be highly unlikely .. like most things in the film itself). Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:List of AA Films distributed Hindi Dubbed films

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:AA Films films ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining WP:NONDEF, trivial WP:TRIVIALCAT — DaxServer ( t · m · c) 11:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The category name is obviously malformed, but would like to see if there's a landing spot for films by distributer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac 1 5 02:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC) reply

  • RE: "by distributor" - categorisation of films is, in my estimation, rather messy on that front. Films which are only distributed by a studio (even if they are not produced by the studio), seem to be categorized under the subcats of: Category:Films by studio. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a good idea or not, just merely that it seems to be current practice. I looked around, and I don't see a separate "by distributor" tree. - jc37 17:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC) reply
    In looking over the trees again, it looks like Category:Indian films by studio would be the direct parent for Category:AA Films films. - jc37 23:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Rename Category:AA Films films dubbed in Hindi. It is a category, not a list. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:09, 14 May 2023 (UTC) reply
    I'm not finding any other categories for splitting distributed films by dubbing in other languages. At this point, just having a category for the distributor's films is a first step - further splitting into "Hindi films" and "Hindi-dubbed films" can be a later discussion, if necessary. Noting that the article AA Films already lists them - jc37 22:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 02:20, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply

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Category:Infobox road instances in Victoria

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 11#Category:Infobox road instances in Victoria

Category:Germanic women

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The result of the discussion was: rename / delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to RM leading to a Rename to List of early Germanic peoples, and the "Germanic tribes" CfM, which led to a Merge to Category:Early Germanic peoples. (See also the "Celtic women" CfR). Additionally, an indirect WP:C2D argument can be made, because main 'article' is Women in early Germanic culture, a redirect to Early Germanic culture#Role of women (which we may freely read as Early Germanic women). Main child category is called Category:Women in early Germanic culture (so an indirect WP:C2C argument?), but that can probably better be merged into it, as it doesn't really have distinct contents unique to it that are not already in Category:Germanic women (e.g. Category:Germanic seeresses is a child of both), or could not be in it (e.g. Women in Anglo-Saxon society is also already in sibling Category:Anglo-Saxon women). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 01:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:T-Mobile US branded venue

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The result of the discussion was: Delete ( non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NOTPROMO, WP:OCASSOC, WP:NONDEFINING
We have a whole Category:Buildings and structures by company tree, but that's for actual company facilities defined by the assocation. The three articles here are marketing agreements to rent naming rights: T-Mobile Center (formerly Sprint Center), T-Mobile Arena, and T-Mobile Park (formerly Safeco Field). All three are already linked in the marketing section of the T-Mobile US article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:XFL (2001) venues

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 11#Category:XFL (2001) venues

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