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Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:SHAREDNAME, the First and Second French Empire have nothing to do with the French colonial empire.
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Category:Natural history of the United States
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I don't think you understand the term.
Bod (
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Oppose straight deletion - e.g. because it would leave
Category:Biota of the United States without a United States parent category. There may be opportunities for clarifying the inclusion citeria of these categories and avoiding any unnecessary overlap with categories for zoology, landforms etc. Note:
natural history isn't really about history. DexDor(talk) 18:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
OK, but straight deletion would also mean that
Category:Natural history of the United States by state would not have a natural history parent category. I would prefer categories to clearly indicate whether they are for articles about nature (e.g. articles about species) or for articles about the study of nature (e.g. articles about naturalists) - such a reorganisation might result in this category (and all the other natural history categories) being renamed/deleted/merged, but I don't see any point in deleting just this category. DexDor(talk) 21:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
keep The article
Natural history explains what this and all such categories are about and it is a common term of the art. Deletion rationale has no basis in fact.
Hmains (
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Honestly I found the article utterly vague and I really wonder if it is a good basis for categorization.
Marcocapelle (
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Note: I've recategorized the category from being under History to being under Environment (per sibling categories). DexDor(talk) 21:04, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep – one of the most bizarre cfd noms I have ever seen.
Oculi (
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Let's put it differently, natural history is not a defining characteristic of the content of this category.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep – as the article explains,
Natural History is a broad term and an appropriate umbrella given the current "nature-related" category hierarchies (which is not to say that these hierarchies are right – in my view they need a good prune).
Peter coxhead (
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Do you have any concrete suggestions?
Marcocapelle (
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Withdraw nomination per arguments of DexDor.
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Category:Cantabrian athletes
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
Marcocapelle (
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Nominator's rationale: The distinction of being an athlete is no more relevant to ones being from
Cantabria than it is of being a sportsperson. This Spanish region does not have a strong historical position in the
sport of athletics and does not merit a sport-specific occupational category.
SFB 17:12, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Procedural oppose There is no reason to target just this one subcategory of sportspeople. I have not formulated a view on the subcategorization scheme here, but think it needs to be discussed in a nomination covering the whole scheme.
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Category:Naturalised athletes of Italy
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Nominator's rationale: The topic of track and field athletes who become naturalised citizens of Italy is one of interest, but as a category it is an awkward mix of a person's occupation with a legal process. This should be converted into a list to be placed on the national team page to show non-Italian-born citizens who have represented the nation.
SFB 16:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep -- This for athletes (qualified for but not necessarily in the national team) who were born with other nationalities. That is a significant issue. We had a similar discussion (though not quite the same), which I think ended off (on my suggestion) as athletes "born abroad".
Peterkingiron (
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Delete too contrived intersection of "athletes" (in the BrEng sense, NOT "sportspeople"), competing internationally for Italy, who acquired Italian citizenship through naturalisation. There is nothing indicating that this triple intersection is notable or defining for the individuals herein categorized. If it were, they should be removed for the lesser restrictive categories in which they all are.
Carlossuarez46 (
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Delete per nom and Carlos. Peterkingiron's suggestion (which I don't think is reflective of any recent outcomes) is not good, because it implies (1) that a person cannot be born in Italy and be a non-citizen of Italy, and (2) that anyone born outside of Italy cannot be a citizen of Italy at birth. Neither of which is true, since Italian citizenship at birth is largely an issue of jus sanguinis, not place of birth. I can't see the utility of this as a category; it's trivia more than anything. At most, this should be mentioned in the appropriate bio articles.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 05:56, 31 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete the intersection of a specific sport and naturalization is way to specific. That said, the merger category makes no sense.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 03:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Personally, I think
Category:Naturalised citizens of Italy should also be deleted per the same line of reasoning in
this discussion. "Delete" in this context at its essence means delete the nominated category; it says nothing about what should happen with the articles in the category. So a closer can merge the contents somewhere if he or she deems it to be appropriate or necessary. But I personally see no benefit to maintaining this particular hierarchy of categories.
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Category:Italy at athletics (track and field) competitions
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Nominator's rationale: Italy at athletics competitions is synonymous with the national athletics team (or similar enough that little content would otherwise be located at the latter).
SFB 15:41, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Indoor athletics (track and field) venues
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Nominator's rationale: The only type of
athletics practised indoors is track and field (i.e. there are no road running or cross country indoor venues). Thus, we can use track and field directly and not as a disambiguator.
SFB 15:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Indoor athletics (track and field) venues in Louisiana
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NARROWCAT - unlikely to expand beyond a small number of entries. The above parents are sufficiently distinct.
SFB 15:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Balkan Games competitors
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Nominator's rationale: Competing at the
Balkan Games (an annual track and field meeting) is not a distinguishing feature of an athlete. Mostly it just indicates they are an international athlete from the Balkans. This is better organised as a list of participants on the main article.
SFB 14:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Per
WP:PERFCAT. Sports competitors would be expected to compete in various regional sporting events and are not defined by each one.
RevelationDirect (
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Listify This relates to a sub-continental international competition. We have categories for Olympians, but we need to draw a line somewhere as to how far down the hierarchy we allow such performance categories.
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Category:Sport in Gaborone by sport
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Nominator's rationale: There are only eighteen articles in the whole of the
Category:Sport in Gaborone tree yet there are 14 subcategories. This is clearly excessive and not helpful to navigation or grouping similar articles in the same category. Fourteen of the articles relate to football. I propose all but the populated football tree aspects be upmerged to the general sport in Gaborone category. As the capital of a poor and sparsely-populated nation, the vast majority of sports competitions in Botswana take place in Gaborone, so it makes more sense to gather the small amount of material at the country level.
SFB 14:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Athletics in Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown
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The result of the discussion was:keep. –
FayenaticLondon 22:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Highly specific locational categories for a specific sport. The county does not have any special connection with the sport of athletics and is unlikely to gather many more entries than the sole current child article.
SFB 14:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Calm down SFB This frenetic activity in all things athletics is symptomatic of drug-fuelled zeal. Take a few minutes to relax and I'm sure you'll see a pretty navigational landscape and not the appalling vista that may be before your eyes due to whatever hallucinogens that you may be taking.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 09:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Laurel Lodged: It's less about me going crazy and more about my doing a yearly review of the
Athletics category structure and nominating the outliers and obscurities. You may have noticed a downturn in my recent activity at CFD – it saves us all time to locate and discuss the related group of categories at once, rather than periodically coming back and forth to discussions. Certainly, this day's nominations will make it very easy to find the majority of athletics related category discussions for this year!
SFB 13:17, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep How is the current county of
Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown a "Highly specific location" but the proposed target - the abolished county of
Dublin - is, presumably, not a "Highly specific location"? Since when does a location have to have a "special connection with the sport of athletics"? Where does this criterion come from? It's enough that it contains notable athletes or facilities for athletes. As for sole, it has lots of potential to grow.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 14:05, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep County Dublin has been divided into a number of smaller administrative entities. It is wholly appropriate to categorise by them, reflecting the current system, not an abolished one. This nom is thus misconceived.
Peterkingiron (
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@
Peterkingiron and
Laurel Lodged: Am I reading it right that the County Dublin parent should be considered for deletion, an an administrative container category for a non-existent administrative region? I don't see the relevance of a county council of this size to a specific sport (FYI there are only a handful of "Athletics in..." categories for sub-national places and they are much bigger and more populous places e.g. London, Catalonia, New York state).
SFB 18:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
We may need a County Dublin category for events before the county was divided into a number of entities, but it needs to be tagged that new events after a certain date should not be added.
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Category:Athletes in Sweden by club
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MER-C 20:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Membership of the given clubs are not a distinguishing feature. Indeed, there is no article on the athletics sections on either.
SFB 12:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets men's track and field coaches
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Nominator's rationale: There is no categorisation scheme for specifically men's track and field. In the case of Georgia Tech, both the subjects contained coached both men and women so men's does not distinguish anything further.
SFB 12:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Florida Gators women's track and field
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Nominator's rationale: Needless containers. The topics are more easily navigated without this level. Track and field programs at an institution typically share infrastructure and administration, meaning there are very few elements that can be reduced to gender-divided ones beyond the track athletes themselves. The navigation tree is at
Category:College track and field teams in the United States, which has combined gender categories.
SFB 12:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Specific oppose - The Florida Gators men's and women's track and field athletes categories contain 48 and 11 articles, respectively, which is more than enough to support separate categories by gender for the convenience of our readers. This structure parallels that of college swimmers in the United States, segmented by men and women, which is the natural progression when any sports categories reach a certain size. When the categories include only a handful of articles, I can certainly understand the convenience of maintaining a single unisex category, but that is not the case for all of these. Personally, I don't segment categories by gender until both genders reach double digits. Segmentation of athletes by gender is inevitable and inexorable; forcing some of the larger categories into a needless unisex uniformity is contrary to our normal principles of categories. Cheers.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 12:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC) I have struck my "oppose" per SFB's explanation below.
Dirtlawyer1 (
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A quick review shows that the LSU Tigers track and field athletes categories have sufficient numbers to support segmentation by gender, too.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 12:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Merge I understand what you mean now. The current structure has near container categories for gender.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 02:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Support merge, with caveat per SFB's explanation above. Only gender-based program-level and conference-level categories will be merged. Gender-based athlete-level categories (with sufficient numbers) will be preserved. Rock on, SFB.
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Category:Alternative running styles
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Nominator's rationale: This category mostly contains articles related to barefoot running, only two of which are actually articles about running styles. Barefoot is a common and traditional form of running, rather than an "alternative" one (which is highly subjective). This child category is not part of any larger tree and the information is much better stored in the parent.
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Category:Indo-European peoples
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Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:NONDEF. Language family is obviously a characteristic of a people, but I really wonder if we should consider it to be a defining characteristic. If the category is kept, it should at least be renamed to
Category:Peoples that speak an Indo-European language because Indo-European peoples - as such - do not exist, the term is just a derivative of the language family.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:49, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
WikiProject Languages has been informed of this nomination.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:53, 17 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Keep as
Category:Peoples speaking Indo-European languages, but probably mainly as a container category for peoples by linguistic group, so that Germanic and Indo-Iranian subcats would be in, possibly
Hittites and a few more that are not closely related to others abd so not part of a group. But purge of those that ought to be in subcats.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete This makes the false equivalency of a people and their language. At times a people remains clearly such (the Jews for example) but their language changes.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 03:29, 18 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Hmm.
Caucasian race (aka Europid, Caucasoid) is the equivalent ethnic article category (more or less), but doesn't have a "peoples" category, which perhaps it should. But I think this one will have to go - Delete.
Johnbod (
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Peoples (topic categories)
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Nominator's rationale: rename per main article of the category. These nominations were opposed at speedy for reasons of ambiguity. While I agree that this is a risk, I don't think that by just removing the "s" the ambiguity is reduced a lot, so if we really want to tackle that problem we may better add "(topic)" in the category name.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:32, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose above 3. The plural form sounds like a category for biographies, but these contain other things too (like culture or history).
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 14:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Alt rename I don't think "topic" serves as a disambiguator: all categories are topics of some sort. I think a better approach would be to borrow from the German solution and go for
Category:Slavic ethnic group, which covers all things Slavic yet avoids the problem of defining that as something that could be more narrowly read as "people" or "culture". Same for
Category:Berber ethnic group and
Category:Arab ethnic group.
SFB 13:27, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
rename/merge to 1st option as a container category for such things as language, etc.; the validity of
Category:Fooish people where Foo is an ethnicity not a nationality is for another day.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 18:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep or use "topics". Don't rename to "Arabs" etc, which should be biographical if used.
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Category:Indo-European
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Nominator's rationale: rename per main article of the category. This nomination was opposed as speedy, I think that the objection mentioned in CFDS should be tackled by purging the category from non-linguistical articles.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose this is not about the academic practices studying Indo-European topics, this is about the Indo-European topics themselves. --
70.51.44.60 (
talk) 04:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
The oppose in speedy (which was I think a quite useful oppose) was that the article
Indo-European studies shows that Indo-European is really a language topic, while the category actually contains much more than about language.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 15:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category:Indo-Europeans similar to the proposal to pluralize the titles of the categories "Arab", "Berber" running concurrently.
Carlossuarez46 (
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As there is apparently no support for the nomination, I support this alternative rename.
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Category:Mozabite people
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Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, only contains eponymous article. No need to upmerge, article is sufficiently categorized.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails to gather sufficient related material in a useful way.
SFB 13:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete -- no need to merge as the article is adequately categorised.
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Category:Garamantes
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Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, only contains eponymous article. No need to upmerge, article is sufficiently categorized.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails to gather sufficient related material in a useful way.
SFB 13:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete -- I doubt we will get enough content to make a worthwhile category. The one article is well categorised.
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Category:Watercolours
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Nominator's rationale: Consistency with parent categories and sibling categories. Under
Category:Paintings the subcategories generally have "paintings" as part of their name. To be consistent with the variant of English of the watercolor category tree, which uses U.S. English, the "u" would be dropped to match
Category:Watercolor painting. The attachment of "paintings" also clafifies the scope of the category, to exclude paints and pigments, as this category is only for the paintings themselves.
70.51.44.60 (
talk) 03:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename. The new category will be more clear and more consistent. Appreciate the above user for bringing this to the table.
Bod (
talk) 03:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)reply
The contents are about the paintings created with watercolours/watercolors, not the paints themselves.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 20:27, 20 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Support Plain English naming that matches reader expectations and prevents any misconstruing of the topic.
SFB 13:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
@
AusLondonder: it differentiates it from the paint, which are also watercolours. To quote the article itself "Watercolor refers to both the medium and the resulting artwork". The change defines the scope as paintings and not the topic in general (which is
Category:Watercolor painting). I'm not too fussed about the form of English, though it does seem better to align with the parent category and article.
SFB 21:53, 19 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose Seems a change designed to purely to remove all traces of non-US spelling from Wikipedia, despite the fact the majority of English speaking world uses "colour" namely Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Jamaica, Hong Kong, India, Ireland, Malta, United Kingdom, Pakistan, Canada, Bermuda and more.
AusLondonder (
talk) 21:42, 19 October 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't feel strongly on the spelling. Do you support adding "paintings"?
RevelationDirect (
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Support The category's spelling should follow it's main article and it's parent category.
ArmbrustTheHomunculus 03:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fruit in Malaysia
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The
only article in the category is endemic to the
Malay Peninsula (parts of Thailand and Malaysia), not the political boundaries of Malaysia. Additionally, the intersection is too narrow to create a category large enough to aid navigation. -
RevelationDirect (
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Support Fruit are better categorised by the geographic area rather than polity, as they do not respect the latter. An article would be a better approach to discuss
Fruit in Malaysia, but content is insufficient to merit conversion to an article here.
SFB 13:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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