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The result was delete‎. Daniel ( talk) 04:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC) reply

William Roetzheim

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Roetzheim is a former entrepreneur who had some success with a company called Marotz about 20 years ago. He received a profile in Inc. in 2012, but nothing much since then. He appears to have retired from entrepreneurship to try his hand at writing, for which he founded his own publishing company (Level 4 Press) to publish. This article contains a large collection of unverified and unverifiable facts (including the fact that Roetzheim created an AI program for the US Navy prior to 1983, a dubious fact at best), and a long list of relatively meaningless awards (also unverified and unverifiable, and mostly for his Marotz company). WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC) reply

This is incorrect. Roetzheim is the CEO of a company called Level 4 Press. See their website at www.Level4press.com. Acastlerichard ( talk) 20:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Note that the creator of this article ( MaryFrancisK ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) has been blocked as part of a large sockfarm whose purpose appeared to be to create promotional Wikipedia articles. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 20:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. I hate to say anything positive about this kind of promotional... stuff.. but according to Ebsco search there's a review of one of his plays (Of genius and human frailty. Review By: Lowerison, Jean. Gay & Lesbian Times. 7/30/2009, Issue 1127, p42-43) as well as a short review of his edited series of poetry CDs (The Giant Book of Poetry. By: Eckenrode, Dawn, Library Journal, 03630277, 5/15/2006, Vol. 131, Issue 9). There's a laudatory profile in Business Source Complete (A POET, THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW IT.Periodical By: BUCHANAN, LEIGH. Inc.. Sep2012, Vol. 34 Issue 7, p192-193. 2p. , Database: Business Source Complete) though it reads as if it were paid content. Espresso Addict ( talk) 05:27, 12 October 2023 (UTC) reply
    • Comment I don't think a single review of his play adds significantly to his notability, nor does the Inc. profile (especially if, as noted, it turns out to be paid content). There is a further note in Library Journal that his Big Book of Poems won an award as "Best Audio Book - Fiction" in 2008, but this award was granted by USABookNews.com, which now redirects to AmericanBookFest.com. This site claims to have been awarding best book awards for over 20 years, so one might presume that they have continued from USABookNews.com. This site also notes that entrants to their awards categories must pay an entry fee, so the value of these awards must be questioned. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC) reply
Paying an entry fee is normal (in the UK at least) for all but the largest literary awards, which are backed by a big donor. I didn't do an exhaustive search for reviews, just looked at hits in Proquest/Ebsco; there may well be more in newspapers. There were also loads of hits in Ebsco that appeared to relate to his business interests but I don't work in that area so did not evaluate them. Espresso Addict ( talk) 22:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 18 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Comment: Roetzheim's article states:
    • "Roetzheim began his career as a Naval flight officer in the U.S. Navy and flew an S3-A Viking aircraft from the USS Forrestal."
American naval flight officers ride in the back seat; they don't fly the plane.
    • "While in the Navy, Roetzheim taught himself artificial intelligence programming."
This claim is a howler. Roetzheim left the Navy in 1983. Was he using an Apple IIe or an early IBM PC?
-- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 05:10, 26 October 2023 (UTC) reply
  • @ A. B.: I don't know that these statements are as implausible as you claim. The article does not claim that Roetzheim piloted the S3-A's, just that he flew them. I would interpret that to mean that he served as the NFO on the S3-A's, and as part of the plane's crew, saying that he flew the aircraft is a legitimate use of the word. Also, as the Timeline of artificial intelligence article points out, machine learning algorithms were already being developed in the 1970s, so the claim that Roetzheim was engaged in whatever passed for AI in the early 80s is, again, at least plausible. However, neither of these statements is sourced, nor is either particularly a sign of notability. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete er WP:NOTRESUME. In 2023, after 2 decades of Wiipedia, to argue otherwise is untenable. Bearian ( talk) 01:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC) reply
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