The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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This disambiguation page is redundant of
Sonata in B minor, which was originally at this title before a page move. The redirect was then reverted. The two sonatas listed here are already covered at
Sonata in B minor (a broader disambiguation page). Additionally, one of the sonatas listed here (
Sonata in B minor (Atterberg)) is only a
partial-title match because it is generically for strings, not solely for violin. I propose restoring the redirect. I am also nominating the following page for redirecting as well since it is also redundant:
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 19:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
DoczillaOhhhhhh, no! 06:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree that they're not duplicates, but they are redundant. Additionally, as I noted, the Violin Sonata DAB page contains just two entries, and one is a partial-title match that's already covered at
Sonata in B minor; I've also reorganized the broader DAB page into sections.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 16:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks. I still think that the Piano one is needed and I therefore do not mind the violin one. -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Because /Sonata in B minor/ primary "super-topic" (in which, Liszt's one is obviously the most notable, ie the primary topic) are the Piano ones imw. Rephrasing: when one searches "Sonata in B minor", it's a piano sonata one is most likely searching, and, very probably, Liszt's, so that it is clearer, in my opinion, to have the piano ones on one page (with a See also for the sonatas for other instruments). I hope I am making sense. -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The '''[[Piano Sonata in B minor (Liszt)|]]''' was completed by Franz Liszt in 1853 and published in 1854.
'''Sonata in B minor''' may also refer to:
Since all of the non-piano pieces have an
article title with "Sonata in B minor", they should not be in the
see also section of the piano DAB page since they are valid
entries on the more general DAB page.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 19:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
To clarify: I do not wish the non-piano instruments individual articles mentioned in the See also section of the Piano sonata DISAMB, my phrasing was misleading, sorry, just the Disamb page for sonatas for other instruments. Having two (or three) DISAMB pages seems at least as good as having 1 in the present case. Hence my K !vote.
If you wish to restore the REDIR for the Violin one, why not? but again, I'd rather have a Piano DISAMB and a General DISAMB.
Even regarding the Violin DISAMB, the violin/harpsichord sonata (in B minor)
BWV 1014 is sometimes referred to as "
violin sonata in B minor" (a misleading but
common wording for sonatas for keyboard+ x instrument, when they aren't sonatas for x solo) and could be mentioned there (hence 3 articles). Anyway, decide for the best. -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I get what you're saying. I still think it makes more sense for readers to have one DAB with everything in proper sections, rather than multiple DAB pages. This would also things easier to maintain for editors.
voorts (
talk/
contributions) 22:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. I don't see a consensus here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 07:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect both to
Sonata in B minor. There's zero reason to have two different DA pages which include identical subjects. One unified DA page dovetails better with
WP:Disambiguation guidelines than multiple redundant entries.
BusterD (
talk) 01:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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