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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 08:20, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Hi there, I think the person in question is notable within the field of music theory (partimento, Music schemata theory and 18th century music theory), due to his many published articles (JSTOR) and his Society for Music Theory Publication Award in 2017.
Ronster2019 (
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Added New York Times source.
Ronster2019 (
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Added Google Scholar id to External Links.
Ronster2019 (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Nosebagbear (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buidhe 20:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)reply
For the interest of discussion, I'd like to comment on the significance of winning an award or being recognized by the Society of Music Theory. For music theorists, the Society for Music Theory is a really respected institution, kind of like winning an Emmy for an actor. The institution has an entry in Oxford's Grove Music Online, and is probably the most influential organization for music theory in America. Music theorists don't tour or get charted in Billboard like pop stars so judging the notability of a music scholar should be related to their respective fields of research. I'm interested to hear thoughts on this.
Ronster2019 (
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Problem is that publishing stuff does not count for notability unless it gets independent coverage, such as book reviews. I see no indication in this case. It is only 10 years since his PhD so may be
WP:TOOSOON: therefore delete. buidhe 00:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)reply
There are two book reviews for the Oxford Handbook of Topic Theory where Byros' contributions are highlighted, one by Matteo Magarotto and another by John A. Rice, both referenced in the article. The Outstanding Publication award from the Society of Music Theory is quite a significant independent award for a music theorist. Independent coverage in academia is witnessed mostly by the impact factor of publications, which is assessed by the number of citations. That number is provided independently by Google Scholar: Byros' 197 citations are each equivalent to one instance of independent coverage.
Ronster2019 (
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Keep The nomination applies the wrong standard. this person should be evaluated not against NMUSIC (which has absolutely no relevance for music theorists) but NACADEMIC: Academics meeting anyone of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable.emphasis in original The sources added by
Ronster2019 demonstrate NACADEMIC#1, "...a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed". Specifically, their analyses of Bach and Beethoven has been called "outstanding" by multiple relevant independent academics. The two reviews of the Oxford publication and the SMT award are independent RS for this significant impact.
Eggishorn(talk)(contrib) 21:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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