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The result was delete. MelanieN ( talk) 01:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC) reply

Tomislav Turčin

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 02:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 07:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep. He had considerable success in the U19 national team and has signed up for the top division HNK Rijeka. According to the reference, he's preparing to play in their first team for the 2016/17 season. Why delete a reasonable article that we're, in all likelihood, have to recreate in a month of two? No such user ( talk) 07:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. @ No such user: the reason the article should be deleted is that we don't create articles in anticipation of notability. Yes he is in pre season training, but as of now he has not done anything considered notable by a subject specific guideline and no sources have been put forward that indicate significant non-routine coverage for any other achievements. Fenix down ( talk) 07:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC) reply

  Fenix down: The guy has been noted as a prospective player, has received non-trivial media coverage and scored a goal for the U19 national team. [1] [2] [3] [4]. That's about above the GNG bar. Subject guidelines are just guidelines, and WP:IAR is a policy. While I don't care much about the subject, deleting an article about a player who's in all likelihood going to formally fulfill the WP:NFOOTBALL requirement in September to me seems like an exercise in WP:BURO, WP:CRYSTAL notwithstanding. No such user ( talk) 08:13, 17 June 2016 (UTC) reply

Reading the links you posted, I am not convinced there's any real GNG there:

1 is a very brief general article on the promotion of a number of youth players at the end of last season. There is a couple of lines on Turcin and it should be noted from his WP aritcle that he did not actually end up playing. There's nothing here that can be used to create an article. youth players get promoted to first teams at the end of seasons all the time, and very often, as here, they don't end up playing. It's not a notable achievement.

2 is routine transfer talk. The focus of the article is actually on Cibalia not the player himself, there's essentially nothing there bar the fact that he signed that could be used in this article

3 This is a match report on the Croatia v Scotland U19 match, not an article on the player. There is again no significant coverage only a very brief mention that he scored.

4 I can't actually translate this, but it seems to relate to his transfer to / from Cibalia. Not only is this four sentence note a long way from "significant coverage" required by GNG, it seems to essentially duplicate the second source you provided, so does not add anything in terms of GNG.

What is needed for GNG are articles, specifically about the player, that focus on his career, interviews, Q&As and the like, and again, we don't create articles in advance of a subject meeting a guideline simply because an editor has a feeling that "in all likelihood going to formally fulfill" it. Fenix down ( talk) 08:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete as I examined the article but he's still questionable for his own independent article. SwisterTwister talk 22:45, 25 June 2016 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.