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The result was redirect to Haze'evot. Star Mississippi 23:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Talia Ishai
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Should be merged into Haze'evot regardless of notability. Talia Ishai is a CURRENT member of Haze'vot. This band is undisputedly notable and has a too short article. Ishai also did some solo recordings and obviously was born, went to school, and the like. All that can be included in Haze'evot without creating any situation of WP:UNDUE and without creating the need to rehash the entire Haze'evot history ad nausea. The Talia Ishai article is a totally unjustified WP:SPINOFF, creating a user experience from hell, where the user needs to chase after bits and pieces of information, while stuff is unnecessarily repeated. The experience is VERY disrespectful towards our readers. As if they can't hold onto information or be exposed to more information at once. IMPORTANT: I'm purposefully using the AfD track so this article will be debated alongside the similar case of Yifat Balassiano. Please check out that AfD as well! gidonb ( talk) 16:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, Popular culture, and Israel. gidonb ( talk) 16:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Due to demonstration of individual notability -- Omer Toledano ( talk) 16:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain how this notability is demonstrated, in your opinion? Furthermore the suggestion here is to merge rather than to delete. Notability is not an argument against merging, only against deleting. Do you have specific arguments why this article should not be merged?
gidonb (
talk) 17:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Gidon. Pertaining your question, both
Yifat Balassiano and
Talia Ishai are each notable in their own right. Both are highly active in the Israeli rock music scene, both have released solo albums and are individually sought after by other high-profile artists for musical collaborations in the recording and performing arenas. These two women are literally carrying the torch of the Israeli rock music scene these days. --
Omer Toledano (
talk) 17:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Omer, could you please bring sources for these statements. We cannot just trust you on the colors of your eyes. Plus, even if they would be slightly known, we should still merge. It's EXTREMELY annoying and disrespectful for our readers all this repetition of information and piecemeal release of data. As if our readers lack basic intelligence. You do not address that!
gidonb (
talk) 17:58, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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Gidonb, I don't think merging is the way to go
regardless of notability
like you suggested on the nomination, if there's enough RS to establish notability then subject qualifies for standalone article (even a {{ stub}} is acceptable). Notability of the band has nothing to do with that of their individual careers. (ping me) dxneo ( talk) 05:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)- Sure. We can instead make readers chase after slivers of largely repetative information and create a hellish user experience accross a zillion articles. It's a choice but not my choice. Notability is crucial to keeping and deleting. Redirects, mergers, and category/template operations draw more on knowledge modelling and data governance.
gidonb (
talk) 05:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Gidonb, please see
GNG and
MUSICBIO, i/we don't make rules but we follow and abide by them, I'm sorry. dxneo (
talk) 05:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Don't be sorry. It's difficult to think across multiple dimensions. I get that. There are other articles that deal with the organization of information. Relevant sections of these are linked in the intro that explains the rationale for this merge proposal. gidonb ( talk) 05:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:NOPAGE, it may be appropriate for information on a notable subject to be merged into a related page. I dunno if that's true in this case, but it's no hard rule. Mach61 ( talk) 16:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Gidonb, please see
GNG and
MUSICBIO, i/we don't make rules but we follow and abide by them, I'm sorry. dxneo (
talk) 05:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sure. We can instead make readers chase after slivers of largely repetative information and create a hellish user experience accross a zillion articles. It's a choice but not my choice. Notability is crucial to keeping and deleting. Redirects, mergers, and category/template operations draw more on knowledge modelling and data governance.
gidonb (
talk) 05:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Gidonb, I don't think merging is the way to go
- Hi Omer, could you please bring sources for these statements. We cannot just trust you on the colors of your eyes. Plus, even if they would be slightly known, we should still merge. It's EXTREMELY annoying and disrespectful for our readers all this repetition of information and piecemeal release of data. As if our readers lack basic intelligence. You do not address that!
gidonb (
talk) 17:58, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Gidon. Pertaining your question, both
Yifat Balassiano and
Talia Ishai are each notable in their own right. Both are highly active in the Israeli rock music scene, both have released solo albums and are individually sought after by other high-profile artists for musical collaborations in the recording and performing arenas. These two women are literally carrying the torch of the Israeli rock music scene these days. --
Omer Toledano (
talk) 17:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain how this notability is demonstrated, in your opinion? Furthermore the suggestion here is to merge rather than to delete. Notability is not an argument against merging, only against deleting. Do you have specific arguments why this article should not be merged?
gidonb (
talk) 17:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge - There is no evidence that the subject meets any of the 12 criteria outlined in WP:SINGER. Marokwitz ( talk) 07:45, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect Shockingly bad article from a fan. I see not reason for a merge. There is no coverage to prove she is notable. Certainly doesn't meet WP:SINGER, but it fails WP:BIO and more importantly it fails WP:SIGCOV. What are you planning to base the article on to satisfy WP:V. There is nothing that I can see that meets that criteria. I'm not keen on merge when there is nothing to base it on. A redirect would be better as a ATD. scope_creep Talk 18:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Haze'evot as AtD. BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 16:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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