- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Nicu's Spoon Theater Company. There is a clear consensus of editors below that this article should not be retained as an individual article, due to notability & significant coverage issues. The options were split between delete & merge/redirect, so in the spirit of WP:ATD, closing as a merge and redirect. Editorial decision how much (or how little) of the content to merge into Nicu's Spoon Theater Company, and then the redirect can be executed after that. Daniel ( talk) 03:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Stephanie Barton-Farcas
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Doesn't pass GNG or AUTHOR Pipsally ( talk) 14:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC) Can you look again? Hunk2019 ( talk) 15:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. I didn't found sufficient coverage that meets general notability guidelines. Rondolinda ( talk) 20:09, 24 June 2021 (UTC) You will now. Hunk2019 ( talk) 15:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. This has been a redirect for years until a new editor came along and jammed this down our throats-- Bbb23 ( talk) 21:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC) Really?
- Delete or revert to redirect. No significant coverage and the current list of references is poor. VViking Talk Edits 21:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to the theater company, I guess. An extraordinary claim like "the first company in NYC history to be fully inclusive" requires an extraordinary source. I guess that "NYC" is supposed to mean New York City, but how is a young reader from Kathmandu supposed to know that? Where's the significant coverage of her in reliable, independent sources? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC) All has been added Hunk2019 ( talk) 15:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Nicu's Spoon Theater Company, where section about artistic director could work & be sub-sectioned some existing material. Djflem ( talk) 13:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 00:23, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks guys for the mean feedback in general. The page has been continually updated. Hunk2019 ( talk) 15:06, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
I literally have added Variety, Playbill, American theater magazine references and nope, nothing from you guys. Even when I add or correct you still vote for deletion.
- Which of those sources provide significant coverage of Stephanie Barton-Farcas? Not just credits or passing mentions. pburka ( talk) 12:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
All do, which is why they have been added. New ones being added daily, but nobody seems to check them. literally there are made up pages on Wikipedia but for some reason this director and inclusive theater advocate is hated by you guys. Hunk2019 ( talk) 15:57, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Which one do you feel is the best? i.e. the most reliable source with the most in-depth coverage? I'd like to evaluate it more carefully. pburka ( talk) 15:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
I would say anything NY Times or any of the interviews- or all of these. Hunk2019 ( talk) 16:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC) This as well https://vimeo.com/177274816 Hunk2019 ( talk) 16:37, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Interviews aren't usually considered independent, because they're simply reprinting the subject's own words. Can you point to one article, in a reliable source, that addresses Barton-Farcas in depth and isn't just quoting her? Please link the source here. pburka ( talk) 16:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Horwitz, Simi (January 12, 2004). [1] “Nicu’s Spoon stirs nontraditional plays and casts"]. Backstage.
- Block, Michael (April 5, 2015). [2] “Spotlight on Stephanie Barton-Farcas”] “ Theatre in the Now”.
- Viafas, Robert (September 1, 2015) [3] "Playbill interview about Richard III" Playbill. Hunk2019 ( talk) 16:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/nicus-spoon-stirs-nontraditional-plays-casts-25872/ Hunk2019 ( talk) 17:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- The Backstage one is largely an interview and it's mostly about Nicu's Spoon, but there's a bit of commentary that could count to notability. The Theater in the Now one is purely an interview. The Playbill one is also about Nicu's Spoon. I'm reconsidering my position, but these aren't very strong sources and WP:REFBOMBing the article with weak references doesn't make it any easier to evaluate. pburka ( talk) 17:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
I am sorry, was not trying to reference bomb- just was trying to get as much info in as possible. I see so many wikipedia pages and the people have done nothing so I just thought this lady, who works so hard for Inclusive casting, should have a page. Look at https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/15/theater/an-actor-uses-his-second-language-speech.html https://axelandir.tumblr.com/post/130008491298/richard-iii-with-all-differently-abled-actors https://reviewfix.com/2011/04/review-fix-exclusive-interview-with-bad-seed-director-stephanie-barton-farcas/ Hunk2019 ( talk) 17:28, 29 June 2021 (UTC) also this https://reviewfix.com/2011/12/review-fix%E2%80%99s-top-ten-off-off-broadway-professionals-in-new-york-city/ Hunk2019 ( talk) 17:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep and cleanup. The article is a mess and the refbomb of passing references and interviews makes it very difficult to evaluate. However, Barton-Farcas has achieved notice as an actor: "once the playwright has arranged the play’s complicated duel between Barton-Farcas' magnetic Queen Elizabeth..." ( Variety; 2008); been criticized as an artistic director: "Barton-Farcas's costuming is similarly erratic..." ( New York Sun; 2007) and "Stephanie Barton-Farcas, the group’s artistic director, has something else on her mind..." ( New York Times; 2007); and she won (or was at least nominated) for an award ( Playbill; 2008). pburka ( talk) 22:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you and she did win in 2008 https://www.theatermania.com/new-york-city-theater/news/2008-it-award-winners-are-announced_15433.html which I will add and begin a page cleanup. Hunk2019 ( talk) 12:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per pburka, and based on revisions to Nicu's Spoon Theater Company, including the addition of sources which help support independent WP:BASIC notability for Barton-Farcas, and her WP:CREATIVE#3 notability as the artistic director. Beccaynr ( talk) 17:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, I will do that and contact the Nicus Spoon People to work with getting it cleaned up. Hunk2019 ( talk) 14:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- Are you associated with Barton-Farcas or Nicu's Spoon? People associated with the subject should not be editing their pages, per our WP:COI guidelines. pburka ( talk) 14:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Berrely • Talk∕ Contribs 14:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
I am not associated with either of them, but I was just saying i could contact them through tier website Hunk2019 ( talk) 11:52, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Coverage is still marginal despite the WP:REFBOMBING, appears to be a fairly clear undisclosed COI with the editor that has created it Dexxtrall ( talk) 19:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
I am actually not associated with them or her - I am a disabled artist Hunk2019 ( talk) 11:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please note I am continuing to cite better references and will be breaking it down better over the next few weeks. Hunk2019 ( talk) 13:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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