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The result was no consensus.
Nakon 01:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Inadequately-sourced article about a soccer club. I found two local newspaper articles that discuss the club's under 12 boys team, but nothing that establishes that the club is notable per
WP:ORGDEPTH. -
MrX 16:56, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
I disagree,
Aymatth2. It is well-established that we require significant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Routine local sports page coverage in free local weekly giveaway newspapers and the like is not sufficient to establish notability. As for not liking it, that is also false. My sons played in a similar local soccer league, and my wife and I edited the league newsletter for several years. I like amateur sports but do not think that the vast majority of local amateur sports clubs are notable.
Cullen328Let's discuss it 04:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)reply
That's exactly correct. The two articles that I found read like press releases.-
MrX 12:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)reply
They read like typical local news reportage, not like press releases at all.
Aymatth2 (
talk) 13:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Discussed in depth by multiple reliable independent sources.
Aymatth2 (
talk) 17:26, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep per above - passes GNG. –
Davey2010Talk 20:18, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Davey2010, thanks for fixing your typo! It came up on the vandalism page as "a**es", so I was worried for a second! Lol, thanks for the fix. CookieMonster755(talk) 20:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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CookieMonster755 - We have a vandalism page ?, Out of all the letters the keyboard chose to miss it had to be the "P"
- I nearly had a heart attack myself haha
, You're welcome :) –
Davey2010Talk 20:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
CookieMonster755 - Wait so If I swear that tool picks it up ? .... Damn
, Well thanks for noticing I guess (Although I had hoped it would go undetected
), Thanks –
Davey2010Talk 20:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes
Davey2010, anytime you swear, it is detected by that page
so be careful what you post on talk pages, because I may see it ;) Cheers. CookieMonster755(talk) 20:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Haha in that case I'll be on my best behaviour from now on
, Thanks –
Davey2010Talk 20:39, 12 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Redirect. If it gets to the
National Premier Leagues, it will be notable, but its first team is not anywhere near to that. The Under-12s is just a passing mention in local news. --
Bduke(Discussion) 04:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)reply
On that basis you could nominate all the articles in
category:Victorian State League teams for deletion. But that is not the way notability is determined. It is based on coverage by independent sources. Teams do not flicker in and out of notability depending on their league rank.
Aymatth2 (
talk) 01:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Have you looked at those articles? The better articles are teams in the top 2 leagues in Victoria. Many of the others have no references or no independent references, so many of them should be proposed for deletion. Substantial coverage in independent sources is required. I agree that teams "do not flicker in and out of notability depending on their league rank" so we have articles about teams that were in a top league but have moved down. One that has always been in a low league is different. --
Bduke(Discussion) 02:45, 14 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Many of them should be improved by adding more content supported by reliable independent sources, always a better option and generally much less time-consuming. These teams typically get a fair amount of coverage in the local press.
Aymatth2 (
talk) 10:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)reply
A newspaper reporting on the local team's successes
Article about a member team that barely mentions the club in passing:
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A news article about the main team in the club, the men's team. I know of no example where a distinction is made between the club, the main team and the junior teams,.
I have added comments above, indented. The notability test has nothing to do with importance. Just that reliable independent sources cover the subject in some depth, which is clearly the case here.
Aymatth2 (
talk) 13:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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• Gene93k (
talk) 15:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - fails
WP:GNG, coverage is not significant and is all from local, minor newspapers. If it is kept, the article should be moved to
Point Cook SC per standard naming conventions.
GiantSnowman 21:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Local papers are considered reliable independent sources, and these ones give significant coverage. The national tournament organizer also seems reliable. In what way does this fail
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline? It is a textbook example of passing that guideline.
Aymatth2 (
talk) 10:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - fails
WP:GNG. Wikipedia is full of non-notable local soccer club articles that only survive because the sport has a lot of fans rather than because there is depth of secondary coverage. It has been shown above that the sources are inadequate to meet WP:GNG.
Charles (
talk) 10:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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