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The result was delete. Sandstein 14:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Parti conscience universelle

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Non-notable political party. Unsourced article; except for a few external links (the party's website now doesn't exist). I can't find any sources for the party either. It was PRODded by Kawnhr for the reason: No demonstrated notability. Short-lived political party (FR wiki page shows it's defunct) that never ran any candidates. But then deprodded by MJL who stated that French language sources exist for it. However, I can't see any French language sources, and the French WP page only has one (inaccessible) source. Seagull123 Φ 21:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC) reply

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• Delete per nom. — Kawnhr ( talk) 22:05, 24 January 2021 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep. French language sources do exist on this topic ( La Presse being particularly noteworthy). However, online I could only find one ( [1]). I also found passing mentions here and here. It could be worth considering mentioning the party here and just applying a redirect though. Not sure it's warranted enough, though.
  I only de-prodded because the sources are out there even if the article doesn't reflect them at the moment. – MJL  ‐Talk‐ ^☖ 02:47, 25 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ MJL: where are these French language sources though? There's the La Presse one on the Fr-WP page (I can't access that, but I'm assuming it's in-depth), and that one you linked to from radio-canada.ca. The other two you linked are, as you say, passing mentions, which seem to just state that at one point the party existed. I personally don't see how that shows notability. I wouldn't be opposed to a mention of this party in that election page you linked to (as it's mentioned in the Fr-WP page here). Maybe even a bit of a translation/expansion based on that Fr-WP page would be good? Seagull123 Φ 14:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Seagull123: Yeah, definitely! I'll see what I can do later tonight. It's just going to be tough without that La Presse article is all. – MJL  ‐Talk‐ ^☖ 15:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ MJL: thanks for that, I've left a message at the reference desk to see if anyone can help. Seagull123 Φ 15:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Seagull123:   Done Not my best work, but it's a start. – MJL  ‐Talk‐ ^☖ 21:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Just left a request at WP:RX for that La Presse article. Seagull123 Φ 22:46, 26 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Comment: The party's lone financial report, covering the years 2005 and 2006, can be accessed here: [2], and it demonstrates that it was a fly-by-night outfit functioning on minimal funds. It does prove that the party existed in accordance to local laws, however, at least for a brief period. However, I'm not convinced that this enough to make it notable. I cannot access the article from La Presse, but its title leads one to think that the party is only mentioned in passing. It did not run candidates in any election, as far as I can tell and, as indicated above, news coverage was extremely limited after its founding. Xuxl ( talk) 14:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC) reply

• PINGing all participants in this discussion so far (@ Kawnhr, MJL, and Xuxl). The request I left at WP:RX for help finding the La Presse source has been successful, and a link to that issue of La Presse is here (you'll need to scroll down to page A3 to find the article). The text of the article seems to take up about a quarter of the page, and from my reading of it, it seems to be about the founder of the party, and is a discussion of both her, the party, and how she founded it. I would say it is in-depth for Wikipedia's purposes. Seagull123 Φ 23:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks for that, it is actually an in-depth article on the party in a serious newspaper. However, I'm not certain that's enough to establish notability. For politicians, simply having been a candidate is not enough; you have to either have been elected to a notable office or gathered significant coverage while running for election. For a party, is it enough to have simply existed very briefly, without contesting an election? Because apart from that article and the one from radio-Canada about its founding there's very little out there. I also looked for articles about the party's leader, Aline Lafond, given it seemed to be a one-person outfit, and there's little out there either. So I'm not convinced this outfit is notable, and if it is it just barely scrapes by the general notability criteria. Xuxl ( talk) 14:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC) reply

• I guess I'll downgrade my vote to a weak delete. I echo Xuxl's comments above: the La Presse article is certainly a solid source, but I'm left wondering how much there is to actually say about it. It existed, it professed this ideology and these goals, and… that's about it. This is still fundamentally a minor party that folded in two years, before it could even field any candidates; it cannot be said to have made even the smallest ripple in Quebec politics. That it received a degree of coverage (from La Presse and CBC both) is certainly unusual, but does that make it notable? I'm not convinced. — Kawnhr ( talk) 19:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete - political parties fall under Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) – "If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable..." WP:ORGSIG – it may not even count as a political party as it is not listed at Election Canada Registered Political Parties and Parties Eligible for Registration ( 1) – they don't appear to have ever run a candidate in an election, provincial or federal - cheers, Epinoia ( talk) 05:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

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