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Keep He seems to be notable since he has played in a full professional league & won 2 championships.
Cr71946(talk)11:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC) —
Cr71946 (
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few or no other edits outside this topic. Struck !vote by blocked sock. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 14:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep This article is about an American Soccer Player who also played for the US National national team in the United States national futsal team in Brazil in 1998, that is quite a history.[1] Struck !vote by blocked sock. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 14:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Although his career evolved at the time when there were not much media coverage, He is adequately mentioned in newspaper publication [2], he is mentioned on his club official website as well [3] and other archive articles for ESPN [4].
He also runs an appearal company called "Never Say Never" (NSN) company sponsored the practice jersies in the 1998 season for Dallas Sidekicks FC.
Other of his team mates which I won't want to mention their names, have their pages online with even no references. That is not an exaggeration.
This was created as a STUB, with room for improvement, I don't see why this should be a speedy deletion. This is an article that solely passes information about a Soccer player, who also played for the USA national team. I believe this is worth keeping.
Vienolly (
talk) 15:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete - Fails
WP:NFOOTY and
WP:GNG - subject may be mentioned, but there is nothing significant about that coverage. —
Jkudlick •
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s 20:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete - Fails
NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a
fully professional league. No indication of any collage award to satisfy
NCOLLATH. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy either
NHSPHSATH or wider
GNG. COmments above voting keep are misguided, this individual has not played in a fully professional league and NFOOTY does not consider futsal players, these must be shown to pass wider GNG. Sources noted above are either
primary sources or are passing mentions in articles not focussed on this player.
Fenix down (
talk) 11:48, 16 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Too many of the references are local articles or mere notices, or lists. The first step is tto move it to Draaft space and rewrite it without the fluff. DGG (
talk ) 00:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep This article is about an American Soccer Player that played for his country and that is always notable. How can playing and representing your country not be notable. Sure it needs a little editing but as far as notability, he is very notable. Opera woman (Talk) 5:02,August 18,2016 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
4.14.67.195 (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This discussion appears to still be ongoing... J04n(
talk page) 13:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(
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Delete As failing
WP:NFOOTY. He did play for a national team, however futsal is not considered for this area. While I am a huge fan of indoor soccer, he just doesn't pass
WP:NFOOTY.
RickinBaltimore (
talk) 13:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete - Fails
WP:FOOTY as he has not played in a fully professional league or in an international match (no, five-a-side doesn't count).--
Pawnkingthree (
talk) 13:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep This article has been edited and please check your research & read this again because he IS notable because not only did he win the 1993 C.I.S.L. Continental Indoor Soccer League championship with the Dallas Sidekicks,which has a page on Wikipedia clearly stating it was a professional league. As far the US National Team (Team USA,the same),it is very very notable making any US National Team which means you were selected as the best in our country among 350 million people. With all do respect please do your research before posting delete. Please read the C.I.S.L. page on Wikipedia about what it says about the Continental indoor soccer league being a professional league. . Mollyhighpoint (Talk) 3:03,August 20,2016 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Mollyhighpoint (
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contribs)
Answer It isn't the same Dallas F.C. of the MISL. This F.C. Dallas is not the same team. This F.C. Dallas was another team almost 25 years and the league the
Lone Star Soccer Alliance,go there and check out the championships won by all teams in the
Lone Star Soccer Alliance and you will see it there 1991 Champions. Hope that I answered your question. Thanks.[7](
talk) 11:24, 20 August —Preceding
undated comment added 18:26, 20 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Ah - okay, I've fixed linking errors in article. And added some other links. BTW, don't reference Wikipedia articles - just link them.
Nfitz (
talk) 19:31, 20 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep - ignoring all the issues in this article, MISL was always considered a fully-professional league. This player has played for a main-stream, well publicized, international fully-professional sports league (they had major main-stream media coverage in the day - for those old enough to remember). Everyone's time would be better spent improving the clearly problematic article than trying to delete it.
Nfitz (
talk) 19:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)reply
That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
Nfitz (
talk) 22:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)reply
But it doesn't now, so you can't use it as a keep rationale, you need to show wider GNG.
Fenix down (
talk) 07:34, 22 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Spiderone 13:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete - The point raised by Sir Sputnik is a very important one. It is important that the correct process is followed and, in this case, it really hasn't been followed at all. Most importantly, the player still does not meet the criteria nor did he before.
Spiderone 10:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)reply
That list no longer covers any indoor soccer leagues. When it did, it was listed, and the discusion (see the talk) does confirm it's fully professional.
Delete. No evidence for the subject having played in a fully professional soccer/football league, or for his meeting the general notability criteria. This is the umpteenth recreation of an article on this person by a succession of sockpuppets: see
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vienolly and the related
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Soccerumors/Archive. We shouldn't be wasting time here that could be spent on improving the encyclopedia.
Struway2 (
talk) 09:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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