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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 08:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Nathan Ferguson

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Fails both criteria of WP:NFOOTY Echetus Xe 18:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete Non notable footballer — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnTombs48 ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 13 October 2016 (UTC) reply

*Keep I'd say that this person makes the general notability guidelines as the main subject of several articles, as cited eg [1], [2], [3], [4]. -- Super Nintendo Chalmers ( talk) 19:09, 13 October 2016 (UTC) Happy to replace this with delete if the transfer news is deemed to be routine. -- Super Nintendo Chalmers ( talk) 08:26, 21 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 20:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete - fails WP:GNG as he has not been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources - transfer news is routine, and the Daily Mail is not a RS to boot. He also fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he has not played in a competitive cup or league match between two clubs from fully-professional leagues. Giant Snowman 20:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep - Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG at present, but has potential to become notable within the near future as the loan deal to Southport is only a 1 month deal. Suggest review at a later date. douts ( talk) 10:06, 14 October 2016 (UTC) reply

near future? WP:Crystal? Govvy ( talk) 10:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete - He has not received significant coverage or played in a fully pro league, meaning the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Speculation as to future appearances is never grounds for notability. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:58, 14 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep - passes notability at WP:NFOOTY as he has played in the EFL Trophy, played for a fully-professional team against fully-professional Category One academy side. -- Jimbo ^[online] 15:50, 14 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Comment - so if this passes then we'll have to create articles on Freddy Hinds, Jack Senior, Jack Snelus, Leon Davis, James Martin, Reece Fielding, Morgan Penfield, Daniel Matsuzaka, Jordan Williams, Lewis Butroid, and Ellis Hudson. These are after the first two rounds of matches of the competition. I have noticed a lot of articles have already been created for players who have played against youth teams in the competition, including a 16/17 year old who has subsequently joined Metropolitan Police on loan in the Isthmian League. If, as Jimbo suggests, we are counting the academy teams as fully-professional then there will be dozens of articles on young footballers that pass the notability criteria and therefore need creating.-- Echetus Xe 14:44, 15 October 2016 (UTC) reply

And surely articles for the players from the "U23" teams as well? OGLV ( talk) 22:59, 15 October 2016 (UTC) reply

Yes, if they pass the criteria. You're acting as if Wikipedia is running out of server space. -- Jimbo ^[online] 13:17, 16 October 2016 (UTC) reply

NB...not all academy and youth players, only the ones who pass the criteria of playing in fully-professional competitions. -- Jimbo ^[online] 13:25, 16 October 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep - "The Competition is a ‘First Team Competitive Match’ for the purposes of the Football Associations Regulations for Disciplinary Procedures" as per the tournament rules. My understanding is that the under-23 teams are, for the purposes of this competition, first teams that simply have additional age-based selection criteria, unlike, say, the Professional Development League. OGLV ( talk) 22:59, 15 October 2016 (UTC) reply

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• • comment - according to the FA handbook, First Team Competitive Matches (FTCM) are defined as "FTCM are matches in the following competitions: FA Challenge Cup, FA Challenge Trophy, FA Premier League, Football League, Football League Cup, Football League Trophy, the National League and The FA WSL." So East Grinstead Town versus Three Bridges in the FA Trophy is a ‘First Team Competitive Match’.-- Echetus Xe 10:51, 16 October 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment - Agree. But they aren't fully professional clubs in fully professional leagues. As has been mentioned elsewhere, matches between first teams in fully professional leagues, in cup competitions, is in keeping with the spirit of WP:NFOOTBALL despite not matching it to the letter. OGLV ( talk) 23:26, 16 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete I waited a while to make a decision the first lot of references on the article are from primary sources and the Grays Athletic ref is pointing to a different player, other sources are noting his movement around the football league. Although they are notes of his name these few articles are not enough to pass to pass WP:GNG in my opinion. Because the question is, is a match against an u23 academy team notable. I don't think it is, if you're not playing against another first team I would say this is notable but currently I would say it fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Govvy ( talk) 08:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - The FA considers them to be first teams though, just with additional selection criteria based on age. "The Competition is a ‘First Team Competitive Match’ for the purposes of the Football Associations Regulations for Disciplinary Procedures" as per the tournament rules. OGLV ( talk) 17:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. NFOOTY specifically discusses only fully professional leagues. General consensus is that the spirit of this can be extended to cup competitions when the matches are between teams from FPLs. However, in this instance the EFL trophy has specific team restrictions that fundamentally set it apart from other competitions. This is not a senior first team competition in the same way the FA Cup or football league are. GNG is also failed, the sources mentioned above are simple routine transfer talk. Fenix down ( talk) 08:14, 21 October 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Current consensus is that players must have played in a fully professional league to be considered notable. LTFC 95 ( talk) 18:19, 25 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete - without doubt, NFOOTY is failed here. GNG is also not met as the coverage is routine and not significant Spiderone 08:05, 28 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Delete, as pointed above, the subject plainly fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Cavarrone 11:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC) reply
• Weak Keep - per Jimbo Online's argument. Doesn't look too convincing but this article just might be professional enough to be notable. Inter&anthro ( talk) 17:54, 6 November 2016 (UTC) reply

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