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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:32, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Myles Ponsonby, 12th Earl of Bessborough

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Previous discussion closed as keep in 2014, on non-policy based arguments (mainly WP:ILIKEIT). Non-notable British peer who inherited his title in 2002, and therefore never sat in the House of Lords (due to the House of Lords Act 1999). Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO (no entries in biographical dictionaries, distinctions, contributions to a specific field). British peers are not inherently notable.

Source assessment follows:

Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Cracroft's Peerage value not understood No Deprecated self-published peerage website. value not understood ✘ No
"BESSBOROUGH", Who's Who 2010, A & C Black, 2010; online edn, Oxford University Press, retrieved December 2009 No WP:PRIMARY - written by the subject of the article and equal to a self-published source, per WP:RSP consensus No Unanimous agreement in a 2022 RfC on this source: "There is a consensus that Who's Who (UK) is generally unreliable due to its poor editorial standards and history of publishing false or inaccurate information". value not understood ✘ No
"DUNCANNON, Viscount; Frederick Arthur William Ponsonby", Who's Who 2010, A & C Black, 2010; online edn, Oxford University Press, retrieved December 2009 No Same as above. No Same as above. value not understood ✘ No
Sean Keane (n.d.) " BREAKING - Earl of Bessborough attends launch of Iverk Show in south Kilkenny". Kilkenny People. value not understood value not understood No Passing mention about the Earl's attendance to an event, in a 5-sentence article from a local newspaper. 1st sentence: "The Earl of Bessborough, Sir Myles Ponsonby, attended the launch of the Iverk Show in Piltown this afternoon. " 2 sentence: "His great, great, great, great grandfather established the highly successful show in 1826 to help improve the quality of farm produce in Piltown and Mooncoin." 3rd and 4th sentences are indirect quotes from the Earl. The 5th sentence is about the show. ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.

Pilaz ( talk) 08:14, 16 March 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. His name is amusingly parodic-sounding, but beyond that he seems to have done nothing notable to warrant a place in a global encyclopaedia, which is not supposed overtly to favour either inherited position or wealth attained through celebrity (both of which enforce a disproportionate bias towards Anglophone countries - Britain and to a lesser extent Ireland specifically in the first case, all Anglophone countries but especially the United States in the second case - which we should be avoiding). Some peers who have never been eligible to sit in Parliament are notable because they have done things not stereotypically expected of their class, such as the current Earl of Shaftesbury, so there is coverage on these grounds. This one does not appear to be a surprising or unusual figure, so he has not gained the coverage which people of his class once gained as a matter of course, before modern celebrity culture, which probably would push some peers of those times past our notability guidelines even if they had not all been eligible to sit in the Lords (indeed, there are probably people born into the aristocracy before 1939, and even more so before 1914, who never inherited actual titles and did not sit in Parliament but are Wiki-notable through such coverage in ways their equivalents today would not be). RobinCarmody ( talk) 00:02, 19 March 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 11:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Comment Wikipedia is a global encyclopaedia, but there isn't such a thing as a global "notability factor" detached from specific cultural contexts. People who are notable in one culture may not be notable in another culture, and there is nothing inherent wrong with that. And I don't think we should be mocking naming practices of specific cultures for no very good reason. Atchom ( talk) 17:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Completely non-notable individual. Practically zero coverage by reliable sources. No in-depth coverage. A passing mention in the Kilkenny People does not make a Wikipedia article. If it does, where is this lovely couple's article? AusLondonder ( talk) 15:04, 24 March 2022 (UTC) reply
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