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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 21:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply

Mouctar Diakhaby

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Deleted and re-created. A player with a career total of one appearance, according tot he table. No reliable independent sources to establish anything other than that he exists. Guy ( Help!) 17:53, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply

  • What's missing from the nomination statement is that between being deleted and recreated this player made his debut in a fully professional league. I don't like this "fully professional league" determination of notability, not least because it gives a free pass to players who have turned out in a match for any of 92 English teams but for none in, for example, Georgia, where players who have played hundreds of matches for Dynamo Tbilisi, one of the top teams in the former Soviet Union, are not considered notable because they play in a country too small to have every team in their top league being fully professional. Good luck to the nominator in taking on the wikilawyering WP:FOOTBALL regulars, some of whom accused me of vandalism and personal attacks just because I pointed out that defending the WP:NFOOTBALL guideline without using a bit of common sense is wikilawyering. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:07, 10 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 07:58, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 07:58, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 07:58, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 15:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL as has made his debut. Giant Snowman 15:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • ...and the predicted wikilawyering with no attempt to engage in rational discussion goes on. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep clearly meets WP:FOOTBALL - I fail to comprehend this nomination. Nfitz ( talk) 23:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Passes NFOOTY, has played in a fully professional league or in a match in the competition proper (i.e. not qualifying rounds) of a cup competition which involved two teams both from FPLs. IP's sour grapes are misguided, there is no wikilawyering in citing an established notability guideline. The player is just starting his career and has passed the threshold, there are numerous instances of players going no further being determined non-notable, but given this player has already achieved multiple junior national team appearances it seems unlikely he would fall into this bucket. The IP would also do well to remember GNG trumps subject specific guidelines, so there is no need for any georgian players to go without an article if he can find sources. Fenix down ( talk) 12:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Well could I remind you that the "fully professional league" guideline has no clothes. Nobody outside of Wikipedia classifies leagues, teams and players internationally on this basis, so what basis is there for doing so on Wikipedia? FIFA and the various continental governing bodies have classifications of leagues, but none of them is based on this made-up "fully professional league" requirement. There is a growing backlash against Wikiprojects producing their own notability guidelines on the basis of the consensus of a handful of editors obsessed about a particular topic, so, if the football wikiproject wants to maintain credibility it should come up with a more realistic guideline before one is imposed by tha community at large. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Easily satisfies WP:NFOOTY per above. Smartyllama ( talk) 16:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep - article does needs improvement, but so far does meet the WP:NFOOTY standards. Should not be deleted. I do not understand the IP editor's argument of wikilawyering, seems more like a grief about a past dispute more than everything else. That doesn't mean that I'm not open to re-discuses the Wikipedia notability policy, but this isn't the place to do it. Inter&anthro ( talk) 04:08, 14 September 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Passes WP:NFOOTY. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 10:28, 17 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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