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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Mont Saint-Michel in popular culture
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Another indiscriminate and mostly unreferenced list of media in which something appears in, failing WP:NLIST, WP:GNG, WP:INDISCRIMINATE and Wikipedia:IPC. Many works listed just mention the topic in passing (ex. "In 1832, the fantasy story La Fée aux miettes by Charles Nodier mentions the quicksands in the Mont-Saint-Michel bay."). There is no evidence any reliable source has tackled this topic, so I very much doubt any rewrite is possible this time. Note that this was split from Mont-Saint-Michel#In_popular_culture, but there is nothing to merge back (in fact I'd suggest nuking the section in the main article too). Overall, this is one of the worst example of TVtropism I have seen around here, pretty irredeemable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. These are valid points, but many editors keep adding references to popular culture to articles and they get away with it because it is too much trouble to keep getting into edit wars deleting them. Separate article listing popular culture references at least provide somewhere to hive them off from the main article. Dudley Miles ( talk) 11:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid rationale. And we have been deleting/rewriting such lists just fine. Unencyclopedic content should not be split from main article, just blanked. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete An indiscriminate list with few references that fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Any further content on this topic can be incorporated into the main article, if referenced and in prose. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 16:50, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I found a source for the quicksand part in French Fairy Tales: A Jungian Approach, page 190. It says "Out of gratitude he [Michel] went on a pilgrimage to Mont Saint-Michel, rescuing on his return none other but the Crumb Fairy, who was sinking into quicksand." I have also added sources to some other points in that section, mostly the books themselves.
- Excellenc1 ( talk) 13:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 01:43, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I would point out that it is not uncommon for major landmarks to have articles about their impact on popular culture, see for example
Tower of London in popular culture,
Piccadilly Circus in popular culture and for less well-known landmarks such as
Battersea Power Station in popular culture. If we are saying this is a broader problem then it needs to be discussed in a broader way.
AusLondonder (
talk) 13:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ AusLondonder WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We could have a big RfC about those articles, but I don't see why. We already have the WP:IPC guideline, and articles not meeting it and other guidelines are being successively brought up here and discussed one by one, sometimes rewritten, sometimes redirected, sometimes deleted (but IIRC in recent years, never kept unchanged if they are just TVTrope-like lists of mentions). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Much like the recently deleted Eiffel Tower in popular culture article, this is a potentially notable subject with an entirely inappropriate article, consisting only of a TV Tropes style list of largely unsourced trivia. While a few of the individual entries may have sources verifying that they are true, there is not a single source discussing the topic as a whole, or anything showing why this is a distinctly notable topic that needs to be split off of the main page for Mont-Saint-Michel (which, should be noted, already has its own "in popular culture" section). Rorshacma ( talk) 18:02, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:16, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:NLIST, WP:GNG, WP:INDISCRIMINATE. There's nothing from this article to WP:PRESERVE as most of it lacks proper sourcing, and is an original compilation of examples instead of a WP:SUMMARY of what reliable sources have said. Shooterwalker ( talk) 18:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for the reasons already stated. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 14:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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