Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michele_Rocca_(footballer) References

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Histmerge. I am closing this as histmerge even though the creator of the page has indicated a willingness to have it replaced with Kő Cloch's original. Everyone seems to agree that Eden10Hazard's version is the more up to date. Both seem to misunderstand what a histmerge will achieve. In the edit history, Kő Cloch will appear as the creator of the article and Eden10Hazard's version will appear as a later modification of the original. For the record, copy and paste of drafts into the mainspace is always a bad thing because it loses the edit history. The correct procedure is to WP:MOVE the page. Spinning Spark 14:21, 23 October 2015 (UTC) Spinning Spark 14:21, 23 October 2015 (UTC) reply

Michele Rocca (footballer)

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Article is a duplicate of ( /info/en/?search=User:K%C5%91_Cloch/Michele_Rocca_(footballer) Kő Cloch ( talk) 15:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Human3015 ^TALK 15:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

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Comment: This is maybe little bad faith by Eden10Hazard to copy article text from your user space User:Kő Cloch/Michele Rocca (footballer) and I can understand it hurts. But if that is the only reason to delete this article then it may not get deleted. You can close this matter in good faith and can move to another article, or you can raise this issue at WP:ANI. -- Human3015 ^TALK 15:46, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Delete: I think we should assume good faith for Kő Cloch, another user copied article from his draft and created same article without giving attribution to main content creator in edit summary. As per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia one should give attribution while copying within Wikipedia. So this article should get deleted and let the original content creator Kő Cloch get the credit for this article to keep him inspired for future work. -- Human3015 ^TALK 15:57, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. — Jkudlick ^t c_s 16:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

~~Delete~~ Histmerge - I'm somewhat torn on this one, since the subject of the article meets WP:NFOOTY. However, WP:COPYWITHIN requires attribution when significant content is copied from one article to another, and there is no attribution. Also, the article was userfied at Kő Cloch's request so it could be improved in draft form. I feel we owe it to Kő Cloch to create the improved article in mainspace. EDIT: After Struway's comments below, I believe a merger of the page histories is appropriate so the appropriate parties receive the appropriate credit. — Jkudlick ^t c_s 16:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC); 19:53, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Comment - I am very torn about this since the article is notable, and I will share a few words of what I told User:Kő Cloch at his talkpage: I can understand you and it is not fun (and User:Eden10Hazard should not have done it). However, I can see some things that makes it a little bit easier to understand why Eden10Hazard created the article, because it has been notable since 28 September, and you have had more than two weeks to create it yourself, but since you had not done it we cant go around and wait for you so he did it. Also the infobox and lead is standard, so the only thing that was really copied is the section "Club Career", the other parts would have looked the same if I had created it from scratch on my own. What User:Eden10Hazard could have done is to give you a message "Hi, I think your article about Michele Rocca (footballer) is now notable since he played on 28 September, if you want to create it". If he had not gotten any response, he then could have created it, and given you credit in edit summary. At least that is what I should have done. Qed237 (talk) 16:30, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Merge, or to be more precise, Histmerge. The version copied from userspace was an improved version of the non-notable version that I userfied for its creator at their request. Eden10Hazard copied it to mainspace and added a sentence about the subject's debut, for which they should get the credit. I agree that, out of courtesy, they ought to have dropped a note to Kő Cloch, and they certainly shouldn't have copypasted it. ~~Mind you, Kő Cloch shouldn't have copypasted Eden10Hazard's additional sentence back into their sandbox, either.~~ But merging the history of the sandbox version as of this revision dated 8 October, which is the one copypasted to mainspace, will sort it out. Once it's done, I'd suggest someone either sources the sentences with citation needed tags or removes them. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 16:42, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

The sentence I've struck out is incorrect. Kő Cloch didn't copypaste Eden10Hazard's content back into their sandbox, they added their own version of the subject's debut citing a different source. I shouldn't write in haste, and hope Kő Cloch will accept my apologies for the carelessness. Sorry, Struway2 ( talk) 20:14, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

Histmerge - I've had this happen to me (on numerous occasions) and it's not good. Move back to the sandbox until it's ready for mainspace. Giant Snowman 20:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Comment - I wanted to create Michele Rocca as he has made his pro debut on 28 September, but when I google'd his name I saw en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kő Cloch/Michele Rocca (footballer) but no page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele Rocca so I created the article with that text. I thought i did a good thing with that, except when I look at this conversation i should added Ko Cloch his username in the edit summary or what Qe237 says: send a small message. Sorry for the commotion, I understand now I had to do better. What we can do now is deleted my article and let Ko Cloch post it so the article will has his name or something. I don't know how it works, but i'm sure there is a way to fix this. Cheers, Eden10Hazard ( talk) 1:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Reinstate - May I now reinstate my original or is it best to wait until a verdict has been reached on the newest edition created by Eden10Hazard? Kő Cloch ( talk) 13:18, 20 October 2015 (UTC) reply
Comment - I think that's the best solution, all we need now is an admin to execute this. Cheers, Eden10Hazard ( talk) 21:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC) reply

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