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Levivich 03:39, 31 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep - meets
WP:NFOOTBALL with six appearances for Bermuda national team, as confirmed by
this. Needs improving, not deleting.
GiantSnowman 07:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Speedy keep Six international appearances means he meets
WP:NFOOTY.
Number57 10:00, 31 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment –
GiantSnowman,
Number 57, National-Football-Teams.com is (1) a self-published source that cannot be used to cite facts about a BLP per
WP:BLPSPS, and (2) does not say "Lyndon Burgess" has 6 appearances for the Bermuda national team, it lists "Nigel Burgess." How do we know Lyndon Burgess and Nigel Burgess are the same person? Are there any reliable sources that say Lyndon Burgess appeared in a game for the Bermuda national team? I can't find any. (Soccerway doesn't have it, nor Soccerstats.us, nor Worldfootball.net.) I note there's also a Tyrell Burgess on the team. –
Levivich 17:36, 31 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Number 57, I'm not totally convinced that "a former Bermuda goalkeeper" = NFOOTY notability, but you've convinced me he is NSPORTS notable for having played on the national rugby union team. Good research, and I agree about moving the article to Nigel Burgess (athlete) or (sportsman).
Piotrus, does this information change your opinion? –
Levivich 21:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)reply
There are
severalother sources that make it clear that we have a
WP:NFOOTY pass here. He doesn't pass the rugby criteria though. (sportsman) is preferable to (athlete) as the latter is generally used to refer to people involved in
athletics, at least in British English.
Number57 21:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Fair enough. –
Levivich 21:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Piotrus:This from the
Bermuda Sun in 2006 showed he has four caps at the time.
Island Stats (which seems to be one of the main online sports news portal for Bermuda) also had him at four caps in the same year.
Number57 15:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Number 57: Thank you. I've changed my vote to 'Move to Lyndon Nigel Burgess' as it seems to be his fuller name and knowing it beforehand would prevent some confusion here, I think. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 06:04, 2 June 2019 (UTC)reply
FWIW, NFT is widely used and considered reliable by WP:FOOTBALL. SPS doesn't really apply here.
GiantSnowman 07:11, 1 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep - should be a speedy too. This nomination is completely unnecessary and a waste of everyone's time. Multiple international starts, that can be easily verified if the nominator had applied
WP:BEFORE.
User:Levivich needs to start fixing articles that they don't feel are up to snuff, rather than proposing deletion without applying
WP:BEFORE. As this has been pointed out to them before, at what point do we consider an AFD topic ban?
Nfitz (
talk) 20:24, 1 June 2019 (UTC)reply
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