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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

SonFire Ministries

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No claim of notability in article. 18 non-wiki ghits, none of which seem to be this group. Previously tagged with speedy deletion, but creator of article removed the tag. Creator of article subsequently blanked the article, but I'm not comfortable just prodding it given the previous speedy. Fabrictramp 23:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 22:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of misleading place names

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This page is redundant in concept with the set of pages Wikipedia:Multiple-place names; a minor point is that the Wikipedia-namespace page set is far more complete than the article being nominated for deletion. Also, the content of the nominated page is a collection of partial disambiguation page contents and is therefore more misleading of the state of ambiguity than Wikipedia:Multiple-place names, which provides links to disambiguation pages. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 23:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Comment But in the same token, what's the point of using this article when most of the time you are redirected to a disambiguation page? Or are able to reach it after reaching the main article? When would a normal reader come in contact with this unless they purposefully search for the article? - Kneel17 00:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
A quick look at a few links suggests that "most of the time you are redirected to a disambiguation page" is exaggerating the matter. I would guess that in some cases hitting the search button in WP would bring the reader to this page. Note that I have had nothing to do with this page. However, as I noted, lots of editors have over a long period of time, and I'm inclined to trust their judgement. Deleting this would not really improve Wikipedia and it does not harm the project. It is not against policy. -- Bduke 01:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment. The nominated article, List of misleading place names, has been around since June 2005. The set of pages that I suggest make this nominated article unnecessary/redundant, Wikipedia:Multiple-place names, has been around since Sept 2002. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Most comments seem to suggest that the article should not exist in its present form. I am happy to undeleted and userfy in someone's sandbox for improvement, categorization or merger. JodyB yak, yak, yak 13:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of Folk-blues musicians

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Appears to violate WP:NOT#LINK (specifically item 2). I am not saying it may be considered interesting or useful, but it is not what an encyclopedia is, per policy. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 23:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC) (page created to complete AFD nomination by User:Pharmboy) reply

I suppose so (at least from speedy deletion), but in the state I saw them there was nothing but lists of internal links, headings and templates. An ordinary list would have some sort of lead (thus not being speediable) that would define its scope. Either way, should be deleted because it's original research to classify artists by genre unless it is established otherwise by reliable third parties. MER-C 05:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
All Music Guide is reliable. Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, Yahoo, Artist Direct, MSN...they all use their information for categorization purposes. Now that references have been added, the idea that these articles still should be deleted is extremely weak. I hope that people's concerns have been addressed, because as I said below there was no WP:OR that went into the inclusion of even one artist on any given list. They were all referenced. Furthermore, each list appears with the corresponding category I in most cases created. This serves to give broader coverage of musicians in these genres, especially those who do not yet have articles and thus cannot be categorized. What a thankless job. ( Mind meal 05:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
  • Delete Categorizing musicians into genres is WP:OR unless explicitly stated somewhere, and even then there'll be conflicts unless the artist themselves says it. Corpx 03:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC) I still think this should be deleted because this list is no more useful than the category Corpx 09:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I respectfully disagree. Already 5 musicians that cannot be categorized appear there, and the same can be said of all the other lists mentioned. Each list took a lot of time and effort to compile. If we are to delete them all, at least consider respecting my contributions enough not to insert WP:POV votes about "usefulness". Please see Wp:lists#Purpose_of_lists, especially the development section. These lists are like any other, and I'm still trying to figure out why my work specifically was targeted in this case. ( Mind meal 09:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
  • Keep This is ridiculous. Musicians perform in genres. Looks like you lost anyway. If there is someone inappropriately listed in a genre, then say so. Otherwise, you assume both original research and inaccuracy. I challenge everyone supporting deletion to render a name that does not belong in a list. Anyone? How is placing musicians in their appropriate genres wrong? That takes the cake.( Mind meal 04:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
Keep I agree. Izzy007 ( talk · contribs)
Delete indiscriminant collection of info. This could be 30 megs and not cover a third of them. Use a category. This page does not qualify for speedy deletion. From WP:LISTS: "Lists should always include unambiguous statements of membership criteria based on definitions made by reputable sources, especially in difficult or contentious topics", this criteria is far to ambiguous and likely to yield contrary sources. Until(1 == 2) 04:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
References are being added as we speak. You will find no discrepency. None of this was WP:OR, for each musician was carefully referenced. If the problem was with lack of references, then the articles should have been tagged with an appropriate tag. Now that the articles are referenced, I believe there is even less ground for deletion of any sort. ( Mind meal 04:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
I sure hope that people won't just be stubborn here and will change votes accordingly. I know many of you thought you were correct listing these lists for speedy deletion, something adminsitrators have not agreed with you about. Surely with references you are not to be mean-spirited and still vote for deletion? That would really be an ugly thing to do after all the work i put into these. This whole group grew silent once I added references and the speedy deletion tags disappeared. So as they stand now, what are the argument for deleting them? It makes no sense now. I really don't understand the motives of some users. ( Mind meal 08:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
A link to a Wikipedia article is not a reference. Until (1 == 2) 13:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • rename and fuse It has come to my attention that folk blues is another way of saying country blues, If you all read the article country blues you will find a list of guitarists already there, if we create a list of country blues guitarist, add it to the country blues article and then redirect anyone looking for a list of folk blues guitarists to the list of country blues article (much like if you type folk blues in the search engine you'll get country blues) that way the article won't look so incomplete because they'll be more guitarists there and country and folk blues are pretty much the same thing.

If this does go ahead we can all work together so we don't merely have a list of internal links that goes against the poicy of wikipedia (and annoys everyone with slow internet who has to click on every link!) by adding a small bit of information to each guitarist. -- Mikeoman 09:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Country blues is more or less guitar-driven, though there are exceptions, ie. some pianists and singers. Folk-blues has many instruments, like guitar, banjo, piano, harmonica and mandolin. ( Mind meal 10:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
  • Delete with reluctance. I'm not unsympathetic with the argumants in favor but there are some problems with assigning particular musicians to particular genres. Just noting the first entry on the list, John Fahey certainly played some things which might be called "folk-blues" but he also played stuff that some would class "Musique concrète" and he himself called his genre "American primitive" (reference provided upon request). People are likely to raise similar arguments about almost anyone on the list. The consequence of all this is a never ending creation of more and more genres with less and less distinction between them. better to have fewer more broadly defined catagories. Darrell Wheeler 12:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, reluctantly. Here I think Mind meal's got a good idea, but not the right way to go about it. We can't just crib from a copyrighted source and call it ours. Unfortunately, some of these lists and categories are so specific that they need backup, and so there's no other easy way to get this information out. So I say delete for now, but I'm not prejudiced against a further re-creation with a different structure.-- Mike Selinker 13:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, yes, emphatically Yes, there are paths to finding various artists, e.g., allmusic.com. However, the List is valuable. The list is easier and faster to search through than other lists. Links are faster to download, than, say, www.allmusic.com. There are many genres of music, so it is not appropriate to bemoan the number of lists of types of musicians. Dogru144 15:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
The reasoning is not logical. The categories function as better lists because articles are added to the categories by editing the articles themselves, to add the category, which is to say that the editing occurs in one place. Hu 16:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
It already is a category. Hu 16:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Whenever a category exists that is virtually identical to a list article, the list article should be deleted, as categories are much easier to maintain. Realkyhick 17:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Obvious since I nominated it. It should be a category, not an article, and all the other lists that are similar should follow suit. Pharmboy 17:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and Categorize as per all of the above. It would be more appropriate to split it into a category. Greg Jones II 17:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, short-term. First, this list could never be a cat. simply based on the fact that you can only categorize existing articles. A list can include items that don't (and unfortunately may never) have an article on WP. Second, any list of persons would suffer from the same downfalls that are pointed out here. I agree that there should be a brief description after each item, though. The third issue is the length of this list, which I believe is mostly attributable to its age. Unfortunately I do not know enough about this particular topic to know if it can ever be populated. So what to do; The existance of red-link or unlinked (unlinkable) items and a heading rules out both WP:NOT#LINK and WP:CSD#A3. This article (even with recent changes) could still be deleted under WP:OR. However, in a sample 500 lists of people only about 1/3 have any sources and several of those would be considered insufficient. To delete one on this bases means to delete many, many lists. I hope that everyone here would prefer simple citations as opposed to deletion. Lastly, if the article does not grow it could be deleted by WP:N. To prove this would take time. So...The article should be kept to see if it can grow and be sourced. If it does then there is no argument against it. If it does not it should be deleted using WP:OR or WP:N. ( Sampm 20:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
This list is already a category. The non-existing articles argument you and the creator advance is bogus because there are other places to place such requests, such as WP:MUSICIAN. Further, if you know the person is notable enough, then just create the article yourself. Another bogus argument advanced is that there are other lists that should be deleted but aren't, so let's violate policy and keep this one too. Name the other lists and we'll nominate them for deletion too. Hu 23:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Wikipedia still has hundreds of red links about non-current mainstream pop musicians with notability that they can be found in most music encyclopedias covering their type of music, and several individual musicians that I'm familiar with that have entire books published devoted to them. I am one of the many editors who has been gradually chipping away at the red links and stublets for over 5 years. Don't mistake any current deficits of coverage for inherent lack of notability. -- Infrogmation 00:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
The red links argument for lists is bogus. A place like Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians is the appropriate place to request articles. Hu 00:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Gosh should I add 600 names there now? Or should I kick myself for not having added 5,000 names there a few years ago? -- Infrogmation 00:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I just took a look there for a first time in a while. and noted that there are requests for expansion as well. My numbers of things I apparently need to list there was far too modest. I think I could curtail all other activities in Wikimedia projects for a month or so to do nothing but list areas we need work on. I rather think you are vastly overestimating the completeness of Wikipedia. There are many areas of specialized knowledge-- including many significant musical generas-- where we are still in as incomplete a state as we were with, say, world leaders back in 2002. -- Infrogmation 00:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Good idea. (Not the kicking, no good kicking yourself). Now that you pointed out that Wikipedia is not complete, we are no further down the road, and the red links argument for lists is still bogus. Hu 01:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I don't think it should be deleted, however, I am not so much for it. Categorization if it gets too detailed, can be misleading, and many of the artists aren't streotypes anyway. For me, blues is just blues, and no more detailed categorization is necessary. -- Sumori 04:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Your objections have been heeded, however, there has been no comment on the addition of short biographical content. It seems to me that the difference between some disputed lists and those not yet disputed is that factor. If adding such info would save this list then lets do it. If it would not then nearly all lists in this category and its subcats should be nominated. I'm not saying we should violate policy. My point is that many other lists have survived so there must be some redeeming factor or something different about this list. If there is a difference what is it? If there is not a difference then why have those lists survived? Have they just failed to be nominated? ( Sampm 14:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
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The result was deleted by K ri mp et. One 20:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Craig Malisow

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Article was originally speedied but I think it may have some notability although the writing is poor. I rather the community decide if this one passes WP:N. JodyB yak, yak, yak 22:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Comment Has Craig Malisow won any awards for his writing? (I sure hope he didn't write THAT!) or written for a national paper? -- Malcolmxl5 22:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Well, since "He is famous and smart.", I suppose we'd better keep the article.... ROTFL. Delete - no (legitimate) claim of notability (unless you count "is a big-time reporter"). While we can verify that Mr. Malisow is a reporter, I haven't been able to find any valid WP:N reasons to keep. -- MarcoTolo 22:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - As I read the article I could not help laughing. "He is famous and smart," "Craig Malisow is a big-time reporter." Certainly does not appear notable per WP:BIO. So I believe we should delete this article and by aideu to this "famous and smart" "big-time" reporter. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor ( ταlκ) 23:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

*Delete. Stating that someone is a "famous and smart" "big time reporter" does not make them notable - they have to have already been notable. He is not very famous and deleted! Bart133 (t) (c) 23:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Comment I did look at the links - but unless I'm missing something, I'm still not convinced that the subject himself is notable (there may also be WP:BLP issues). If the DEA incident had significant ramifications beyond Mr. Malisow getting arrested, perhaps a citation in the Online pharmacy article makes sense? -- MarcoTolo 00:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply


Comment

Sorry, Random Editor Person...when you wrote this: "So I believe we should delete this article and by aideu to this "famous and smart" "big-time" reporter," did you mean, "...and bid adieu..."? I have never heard the other phrasing/spelling. Maybe it means something that I don't know, and maybe I am misunderstanding, so if that is the case, then I apologize. I may be confused. As for the rest of the comments, I am sorry, I am probably not as good as a writer as all of you people. I guess I do not know how to write it better. Maybe a better writer could look at Craig's material, and write a better article about him? I know I do not do it justice. Sorry about that. This is my first-ever entry, and I am trying to make it acceptable. Thank you for all your help and patience and assistance and suggestions. SLOW93 20:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Scott Harper

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Minor news flap, consequences minor, forgotten. Clear-cut WP:BLP1E candidate. Page now serves to aggregate further document minor legal whatnots of subject, of precipitously lesser news value than the reason the article exists to begin with. Dhartung | Talk 22:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

John 14:6

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A single bible verse without verifiable citation, which appears to have been written only to give a sermon on its meaning (or rather what it means to the author). While I have no doubt there are individual bible passages that are so quoted and prevalent in western civilization that they deserve a wikipedia article analyzing their historical significance...this article and this passage are not even attempting to be such. WP:CITE, WP:V, WP:NOR and underlying POV Markeer 21:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of prominent mukulathor

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Delete per WP is not a directory of prominent people from a religion/caste. This would be the equivalent of List of prominent Methodists or something similar. Also, none of these entries are cited. A category would suffice if any of these people were notable enough to have their own article, but they're not. Corpx 21:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Four Pillars of Alexander Hamilton

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The title of this article is a metaphor which the author seems to have invented, and which he intensely overworks. Hamilton's financial program is covered under Alexander Hamilton, without the apologetic here. Delete as neologism. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of Saini last names

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Delete per WP:NOT#DIRECTORY as in WP is not a directory (of Indian last names) Corpx 21:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was deleted neologism. DS 22:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Chofu (poetry form)

Wikipedia is not a place for neologisms or other new creations, and the website listed appears to be a self-publishing place. Nyttend 21:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus to delete; sources were added. JodyB yak, yak, yak 13:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Bodhin Kjolhede

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Appears to fail WP:BIO and WP:NOTABILITY. - WarthogDemon 20:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. WjB scribe 07:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Siew Ooi

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Biography with no sources and no few Google or Dogpile hits. Per WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. Author removed {{ prod}}. — Travis talk 20:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Nearly all of those aren't this Siew Ooi. I found an Intel employee and a Boon-Siew Ooi who is a university professor, for example. After digging deeper, I was able to find a handful of hits: [1] [2] — Travis talk 13:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, non-notable producer for a one-hit wonder's 12-year-old song. Corvus cornix 04:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • weak keep, if considered a keep it may have to be categorised somewhere...Corvus, would an article about "One Hit Wonders" and then categorise those hits to countries be a good idea? I think your take on the 12-year-old song is funny. I hated the song :) I could start up the article but would need a lot of help from lots of people. I know where I can get the List of Australian one hit wonders though. Then perhaps, we could mention this guy in there?-- T3Smile 16:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Update - found one hit wonders but only reference was the 20 to 1 TV show that lists "one hit wonders" of the world according to a commercial poll, not according to the ARIA charts. I think I found an opportunity to add some verifiable info on Australian one hit wonders, maybe after my thesis work on computer pioneers. Where is Glenn A. Baker when you need him?-- T3Smile 16:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC) T3Smile ( talk · contribs · logs) and Rdpaperclip ( talk · contribs · logs) - Blocked as sockpuppets. See SSP Achidiac -- Jreferee t/ c 15:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Notability cannot be established, and the author has not provided references. I am not necessarily stating that he is not notable. With proper referencing this could perhaps be established, but as others have stated there are no reliable third party sources. ( Mind meal 22:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
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The result was merge and redirect per the unanimous consensus. Early non-admin closure. Shalom Hello 04:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Delta Air Lines Flight 2315

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This is not a notable aviation incident. – Zntrip 20:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

- BillCJ 22:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete as copyvio of http://sunfairrun.com/xccoach.html. W.marsh 20:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Coach Phil English

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Unsourced biography of a non-notable high-school level track coach. Fails WP:BIO. Trusilver 19:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per nom. Also lack context. Where is the alleged school? -- Evb-wiki 20:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Strong delete. I think there's just enough assertion of notability that I didn't speedy-delete it. However, I don't think it satisfies WP:BIO (not a top-level amateur coach and no independent sources). A Google search didn't turn up anything that was primarily about him, other than a speaker bio at a conference. — C.Fred ( talk) 20:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 22:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Jim Schembri

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Non-notable, autobiographical entry. While he does have some media links, that's pretty much only because he's a journalist: they usually do get such links. Severe WP:HOLE issues. The Evil Spartan 19:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Comment - 6,150 articles [3] on the web site of The Age, the major daily newspaper in Melbourne which does not put all its articles online, including 767 [4] news section articles and 433 [5] op-ed pieces plus all the movie and TV reviews. A further 168 [6] in the Sydney Morning Herald. 4 recent articles plus one other mention from the last month on Google News. [7] 21 citations in Google Scholar. [8] And the non-self published books going back to at least 1994 mentioned by Canley, most of which are in the State Library of Victoria [9] and National Library of Australia [10] ("permanent collections of several ... internationally significant libraries" - WP:BIO). I do not see notability as an issue but the autobiographical/COI nature of the article certainly is. However this can be cleaned up by independent editors. Dbromage 06:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
The difficulty is, though, what can be said about him, when nothing reliably sourced is written about him? Certainly any kind of analysis of his review style/content would be OR. BTW, he appears not to be taking WP:COI seriously; I just had to revert his removal of the tags and reinstatement of the COI material. Gordonofcartoon 11:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete, appears to be prolific, but there seems to be very little material written about him, as opposed to by him. In the absence of reliable sources... (the COI doesn't help either) Lankiveil 12:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Dr. Phil (TV series)#Spoofs. I think the little blurb on the muppet is sufficient. Sr 13 02:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Dr. Feel

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Non-notable character. A parody of Dr. Phil that has not appeared much on Sesame Street. Only noteworthy characters such as Elmo or Big Bird should have articles on Wikipedia, for minor characters such as Dr. Feel, they should only be on the Muppet Wiki. RandomOrca2 18:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus to delete, default to keep. As an editorial action, I'm redirecting it to David Fonseca until somebody bothers to write any non-crystalball content for this article. Sandstein 07:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Superstars song

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Per WP:MUSIC, individual songs do not require separate articles unless they are unusually notable and have sources to demonstrate that. In addition, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Prod removed without comment by creator. FisherQueen ( Talk) 18:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Comment This article is about David Fonseca's third album first single, that will be hitting the stores this monday! Till then I will not have more info! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mddms 88 ( talk • contribs)
  • Delete, actually... the originator should have waited until the single came out and it was demostrated that this particular release is notable enough to warrent an article on the individual song.-- Isotope23 18:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, based on what i saw, it's common to have the single info placed here before the single is out. The song will be out in 3 days, then I will be able to complete the article. I think it's not necessary to delete it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mddms 88 ( talk • contribs).
Comment That only happens when it's 99% confirmed and has notability via WP:MUSIC. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We only establish future articles when nothing short of a nuclear holocaust will interrupt it. - WarthogDemon 18:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment It's verifiable. You can check the artist official site. It's relevant, because it will receive extensive airplay in Portugal during all the summer. -—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mddms 88 ( talk • contribs).
But does it meet the standards in WP:MUSIC? Just because the main site says so, doesn't necessarily make it verifiable. - WarthogDemon 19:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
"has been covered in sufficient independent works." Saw a reference in two newspapers and heard in on one of Portugal's major radio station (antena 3). "has been ranked on a national or significant music chart" Surely will be soon on Portuguese airplay top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mddms 88 ( talk • contribs)
How good a reference was it? And notice that the criterion is "has been ranked", not "will be ranked". And please sign your posts. Ten Pound Hammer • ((( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 19:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • I am not a fan of articles for individual songs, but it appears that this is likely to chart and prove its notability under the current guideline. Keep for now and move to Superstars (song). Maybe this "should have been added Monday", but under the same reasoning, deleting it now is an unnecessary process. The artist is clearly notable, and it seems likely that the song will be notable, and we'll surely know better in a little while. Dekimasu よ! 03:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. The song is not notable at this point, based on any information in the article. Except that David Fonseca is involved, and the song will appear soon, there is really no other information. I have no objection to recreating the article later after the song comes out, there has been a chance to add third party commentary, and the song can be judged notable based on the independent sources. EdJohnston 15:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment I've relisted due to the release date having passed. Previous rational for keeping or deleting may no longer apply.
  • Comment Still no sources to demonstrate notability, but that applies to about a million song articles by notable artists which tend not to get nominated for deletion. WP:CRYSTAL is obsolete, and I can't fathom why the nom would start a process one of the rationales for which would change halfway through. WP:CHILL applies here as well. Weakest possible keep as it seems it will be sourceable. -- Dhartung | Talk 19:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Neutral but I added the future tag. Bearian 23:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy delete g1, patent nonsense, the Supreme Court doesn't hear trials. :) NawlinWiki 21:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Walt Disney Murder Trial

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obvious hoax; was prodded a couple times, author reverted NeilN 18:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete, nonadmin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ((( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 21:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Poor Boy Productions

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No independent and / or reliable sources, no indications of notability. High on a tree 18:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Interesting. Sr 13 02:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Corben Bone

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Prod contested, taking to afd at DGG's suggestion. Currently a college player, he has been a member of notable teams. BUT just because one is a member of a notable team doesn't mean you yourself are notable. As I said in my prod, there is no indication of his contribution to the team's success. For all we know, he spent more time on the bench than on the field. Unless someone can demonstrate notability - and include it in the article and not here or on the article's discussion page - I say delete as nn athlete. Postcard Cathy 17:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh yeah, I forgot that part. Delete because author is seriously confused between title and subject and notability of team vs. notability of player. Cathy
  • Delete The content refers to a completely different person (Alexander Parker) and there is no evidence that Corben Bone is notable <will that do?>. -- Malcolmxl5 22:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Well Then Strong Delete If the subject is not in agreement with the article title, there is a huge problem. In any event, there are no references so there is no way to verify if they (which one, I don't know) pass a sports bio. the_undertow talk 22:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I wouldn't say huge problem. Just an annoying problem. Someone who thinks Corben Bone is notable can blank the page and write an article on Corben on this title and if it turns out Alex is notable, then a new page can be started. But that is IF either are notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.146.136.185 ( talk • contribs)
I was referencing the fact that it adds immense confusion as for which player we are trying to establish criteria for inclusion. Please remember to sign your posts ;) the_undertow talk 00:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
May or may not be notable. I don't know how presitgious of an honor that is so I won't comment. But anyway, if you read the article, the author wrote about Alexander Parker, NOT Corben Bone.
No, I understand your point. Parade always issues a player of the year for all major high school sports, so it's a pretty prestigious award, even if the magazine is free with your Sunday newspaper. Corvus cornix 19:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I know that Parade does that. But I am still not convinced it is a prestigious award. Besides, Corben Bone received the award, not Alexander Parker who is the subject of the article.
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The result was no consensus, default is to keep. Carlossuarez46 18:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Muhammad's Monsters

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article was initially prodded, but as that has been contested, i have brought the article to be discussed here. i believe it fails WP:BK criteria, and as i wrote on the talk page: there are no apparent reliable or independent sources offering non-trivial review of the book. the only information i could find in the first 100 ghits or so was standard unauthored summaries plastered on retail websites(i.e. [11], [12])- thus no independent review from anyone not actually selling the book- and the only other mention was a trivial title-mention in a Haaretz article. hence, Delete. ITAQALLAH 17:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep, as article now passes WP:BIO. ~  Wikihermit 00:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Sally J. Clark

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She fails WP:NOTE. A Seattle city councilwoman who was appointed, not even elected. Clarityfiend 17:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Deleted (Copyvio G12) by User:John. ELIMINATORJR TALK 23:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

2007/08 Premier League Results

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There is no need to have a page detailing the results of every Premier League game for the 2007-08 season. The resulting page would be huge, and it is also a violation of the Premier League's copyright over their fixture lists. - PeeJay 17:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Reply - Tell that to the Premier League then. We're here to debate the validity of this article, not copyrightability of sports fixtures. - PeeJay 22:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment Seriously, this is a copyright infringement. It's the fixture lists that are copyright - see this - and the Premier League is very hot on this issue (though what leverage they'd have on a website outside the UK is another question). Regardless, this should be a speedy G12, and I've tagged it as such. Note that once played, the results are copyright-free. ELIMINATORJR TALK 22:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I've removed the speedy tag; The page in itself is not a copyvio, and hence does not fall under the G12 criteria. Once an article is listed for AfD, it can only be speedy-deleted with a valid reason, and you should not try to derail or speed up the proces to further you point. -- Edokter ( Talk) 23:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
It is as blatant a copyright violation as you could ever get. I don't understand your point at all here. ELIMINATORJR TALK 23:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Maybe it is, maybe not. Fact is, you should not have replaced the tag: Once removed, the next step is AfD, where it already is. The closing admin always has the option of speedy-deleting it. -- Edokter ( Talk) 23:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Sens Unik. That AfD was over two years ago, and I'm quite sure guidelines have changed since then. Merging would not be appropriate, redirect is better. Sr 13 02:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Rade

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This article was nominated for deletion before, the concensus was Delete Keep according to the archived discussion, and the article seems to have returned. Whoever this person is is still a non-notable ex-band member who has nothing better to do than "multimedia projects" these days. K-lit 04:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC) To add I must have read the deletion log incorrectly, I think I linked to the wrong page. Still, there's nothing I can find notable about this person. Please consider this in building concensus for this nomination, and don't consider my erroneous comment about the deletion log. K-lit 14:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 02:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Famous groups of people

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I had originally CSD'd this last night, but I removed the tag because I was no longer certain that this was a candidate for speedy deletion. However, I still am not convinced that this article fulfills notability. It is also currently unsourced and to me looks very strongly to be original research. Trusilver 17:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. W.marsh 02:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

TetriNET

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This was tagged for speedy deletion as 'blatant advertising', which I feel is not the case. However, as it has also been PROD'd (and contested), I hope no-one will mind if I bring it here rather than adding a {{hangon}} tag. Article has two main problems; a lack of independent references ( WP:V), and no real claim to notability ( WP:N). Other issues (game-guide material, excessive external links) can be cleared up should this be a keeper. Marašmusïne Talk 17:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Marašmusïne Talk 17:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • DELETE - per nom. ~ JohnnyMrNinja { talk} 17:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep -- Long running and recognized online game with significant international community, and many open source and related internet projects. Notability bias works against this subject as it is an exclusively internet phenom. Reminds of Subspace as similar in notability, status, etc. Working on sources to satisfy WP:N, see open directory category, freshmeat project, case's ladder league... ∴ here… ♠ 18:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    Well the Open Directory source is a directory entry, as appears to be the case with the Freshmeat project; I would call those trivial. The ladder league would not be an independent source. If it's as recognized as you say, then I'm sure there must be an article or a review out there from a reliable website. Marašmusïne Talk 18:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    Running 24/7 for over 10 years, mpogd.com, mobygames.com. The best indication of notability I can find is the sheer number of client+server apps which have been ported to most modern operating systems. These ports are not simply tetris clones, but actual TetriNet clients and servers. If not kept, should be merged into Tetris. This a long-living internet meme and community which I feel would be best kept seperate from the main Tetris article. ∴ here… ♠ 18:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I was the one who contested the initial PROD on grounds of non-notability. Article clearly has a lot of room for improvement, particularly in the area of independent references, but from the logs it is apparently that improvement is being made at a fairly rapid pace (many edits in the past week alone). Moreover, there is and historically has been a significant online community, and a simple Google search turns up numerous articles and pop-culture references to the game (some of which should certainly be incorporated into the article). Konekoniku 18:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I've been looking for references; I won't deny it's a popular game. Lots of sites that will be useful for WP:Verification (entry at Mobygames, passing mentions at places like Gamenikki). However I haven't found anything to satisfy WP:N. Marašmusïne Talk 18:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    I believe notability can be satisfied by the numerous ports and open source projects based on this subject. The fact that ports of this are available for nearly any modern OS shows a level of recognition within the electronic community. I would venture than a widely indexed port for an OS like Debian might be treated as a single published article on the subject. Mainstream media coverage appears non-existant. ∴ here… ♠ 18:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    There is no question as to how well-known or popular it is, that has nothing to do with this discussion. Notability is not popularity. "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I have nothing personal against the game, but it does not meet notability guidelines, so should not be here. ~ JohnnyMrNinja { talk} 19:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep Has potential. Not blatant spam, but article needs a lot of improvement. Rackabello 20:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. It's notable, probably hard to reference, but doable and it should not be deleted. Andre ( talk) 20:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete per lack of "significant coverage" from independent sources. I searched google news and only saw trivial mentions. Corpx 21:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    The game is from 1997. Are you sure google news archives go back that far? -- Allefant 10:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • keep, found this on lexis nexis trivially: "Copyright 1997 COMPUTIMES, The New Straits Times Press (Malaysia) Berhad; September 22, 1997; Addictive game for Tetris lovers; SECTION: Technology; ; Pg. 48; LENGTH: 939 words." The whole thing is completely about TetriNET. —  brighterorange ( talk) 04:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as notability is self-evident here, and deletion would not serve to improve our encyclopedia. Yamaguchi先生 04:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep this is far from failing notability, 280 000 google hits including many reviews. Just two random picks from the first results page: [13] [14], but apparently there are many more, no point spending time on this though. Editors of the article of course should look for good references and add them - but lazy editors is no reason to delete. -- Allefant 10:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: a very well known, popular game (I remember playing it a lot back in University). It was also the subject of the Linux.conf.au 2004 HackFest [15] -- James 09:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Silaba

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This band from Africa appears to fail WP:MUSIC. Judging by the article, they have released one album at an unknown label, and won a price (not further specified) by the French government, probably rather minor. Article apparently created in WP:COI by WoyClub, an organization they are closely affiliated with. Since they might have some special significance for music in Africa, I involved WikiProject Africa in an expert review, but without positive answer. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. -- B. Wolterding 17:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Merge => Nokia 6xxx series; this is essentially a Keep content result. I do not agree with the premise that this cannot be merged unless it is part of a systematic set of mergers. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Nokia 6151

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I PRODded this article with rationale: "Non-notable product; fails WP:CORP, since no independent coverage is given. Sources cited are the vendor's web site, a blog platform ( WP:SPS), and a web site that copied information from the vendor." PROD was contested. I would like to add that mobile phone models are so short-lived that permanent notability of a single model is rather unlikely. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. -- B. Wolterding 16:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. Nokia is the world's largest manufacturer of mobile phones and its models usually have sales numbers in the millions. For hard facts like technical data, the manufacturer's own site is normally regarded as a reliable source, and if an independent source is accepting the manufacturer as a reliable source and adopting the data from there, this is to be seen as an additional verification. The added remark seems to confuse the commercial availability of a product with its encyclopedic notability; by the same logic one had to delete nearly all articles about cars or home computer models, or indeed biographical articles once the article's subject has died. Due to the important role mobile phones are playing in people's everyday lives, (and its role in Nokia's product strategy), this mobile phone, as many others, is likely to be prop up in films and photos, diaries, attics and technology history contemplations decades after its sales have officially ended. Regards, High on a tree 18:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    • It's a consequence of the guidelines. See WP:CORP#Recommendations for products and services: Individual products are generally not notable and should be included in an article about the company, or in an article of broader scope (which already exists in this case, actually there's not much to merge, if anything). For the general remark: These phones receive temporary secondary coverage when they are released, and will probably not be covered afterwards, so it falls into what is described in WP:N#Notability is not temporary. In five years from now, I think no one will be interested in what a Nokia 6151 is, or in which colours it was available. -- B. Wolterding 09:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Merge/redir to Nokia 6xxx series (along with most all of the individual models listed on Template:Nokia phones, to their respective 'series' article). For the most part, having articles on specific cell phone model numbers is akin to having separate articles for Ford Expedition V-6 and Ford Expedition V-8. Sohelpme 20:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep or Merge. Random pick-offs of articles in a comprehensive series do more harm than good to the project. Dhaluza 20:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    • The choice is not random: This article had been tagged with notability concerns since November 06. -- B. Wolterding 09:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
      • It's random in the sense that there are dozens of similar articles, and the same AfD argument could be made to others. Editors are working on a series of articles here with comprehensive coverage of a subject area. Perhaps each individual phone make/model does not need a separate article, but how to merge them is an editorial decision that is not suitable for AfD. The nominator is requesting deletion, which erases the content, history and link. All of these should be preserved. The phone obviously exists and was sold to the public in non-trivial numbers. Dhaluza 10:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
        • I would agree with you on the dozens of similar articles, but that's an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Also, had I listed them all for deletion per WP:BUNDLE, the nomination would probably have been rejected since I was "nominating too many articles at the same time". So I'm nominating the one at hand. I am requesting deletion since I think that the article's content is not worth being kept. However, if "Nokia 6151" is considered a likely search term, I'm happy with a redirect as well. -- B. Wolterding 12:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. ˉˉ anetode ╦╩ 15:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Aset Ka

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No original Research. Wikipedia was used to be a starting point of an fake organization that claims to exist more than 7000 years ago. there were no proofs found that they exist that long. the only registers I and other researchers could found about them were pretty recent Darkoex 16:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Delete as unreferenced nonsense. Supposedly based on the concept of ka ("vital energy") - looks more like ka ka ("crap"). Clarityfiend 17:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete—almost completely unreferenced, riddled through with original research and POV writing. If this were a legitimate organization, it'd need a complete rewrite; as it is, it seems non-notable enough that it can be deleted without a second thought. Switchercat talk cont 18:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete It's a hoax, and not even that good of a hoax. Every source I have found on Aset Ka cross references each other in a way that looks legitimate until you see that it's nothing but a house of cards - each source relying on each other for notability except that none of them provide any true references. There is not a single source on the organization older than three years ago which as far as I'm concerned put this clearly in opposition of WP:NOT#OR. Trusilver 20:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Undecided – What is a supersecret society doing publishing itself – if it exists – it's a Catch 22 type situation. I can't bring myself to use the D-word because of a crazy curiosity. Julia Rossi 07:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sr 13 02:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Doom 2D

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Non-notable homebrew game ~ JohnnyMrNinja { talk} 16:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Brassy's Men

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Fails WP:N due to lack of relevant independent coverage. PROD contested by User:The Bearded One with request to list it on AfD. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. -- B. Wolterding 16:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus, default is to keep. Carlossuarez46 18:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

XGameStation

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Non-notable and unreferenced homebrew software ~ JohnnyMrNinja { talk} 16:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I have added a few references to the article. Mahjongg 15:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sr 13 02:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Elementality Vol. Two

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No definition/context (not a single complete sentence), no references, unclear notability. High on a tree 16:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete as possible plagairism, redirect to Politics of Kosovo. Until (1 == 2) 05:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Government of Kosovo

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The article is just a pasted list of the competencies of the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government set up by the United Nations Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo. The topic is dealt with in a far more encyclopaedic manner in the article on the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government. We would not want to merge this article into that one as a there is an appropriate link in that article to the source of this copy-and-pasted information. The title of the article is also potentially misleading and/or POV. DSuser 16:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I agree, cleanup/expand yes, delete no. 71.142.91.34 00:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sr 13 03:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

This is My Element

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No definition/context (not a single complete sentence), no references, unclear notability. High on a tree 15:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Anas talk? 09:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Element audio visual

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No definition/context (not a single complete sentence), no references, unclear notability. High on a tree 15:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - complete lack of context (one could argue that it meets CSD G1 - but probably not <sigh>). It took me several minutes of searching to determine - I think - that this is about a series of semi-pro skating videos ( possibly relevant link). No assertion of notability, no WP:RS references. -- MarcoTolo 23:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Edward McSweegan

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Notability is not conclusively proven. Writing several books and journal pieces are not enough to satisfy notability guidelines. Also, its subject is asking for deletion. —  Shinhan <  talk > 15:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Every article is a "potential libel and slander [sic] problem" (emphasis added). That doesn't mean they should be deleted. Rather, that means that we as editors must keep an eye on our articles and ensure they do not contain libelous statements. -- ElKevbo 17:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comments: Libel and slander is the name of the article and the collection of torts. I would change my vote to weak delete, based on significant improvement to the article, but also comments (below) allegedly by the subject. Bearian 23:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Somehow I would think that if the original version were oversighted, the libel issue would be eliminated. Blueboy 96 00:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
BTW, the subject edited the "bad" version in question himself and made no effort to remove negative material, instead choosing to employ point-by-point rebuttal to each point he disagreed with, very messy by WP standards. This is in versions now removed by oversight. Studerby 20:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I'm in the midst of a major rewrite of this article, per verifiable information from highly reliable sources (CBS News, WaPo). Please give it a chance ... Blueboy 96 16:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (pending sourcing from Blueboy96) I find it absurd that the subject would think to call us "vandals" when his first contribution here was to POV-push and delete cited material from reputable sources. All that aside, I don't think the subject is sufficiently notable for inclusion, regardless of their desire to have a bio or here or not. Caknuck 16:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
As I understand it, the original version was heavily plagiarized. Blueboy 96 17:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I was referring to Emcsweegan's edits to Lyme disease from last year. Regardless of the user's prior activity, Blueboy96's version satisfies WP:N and WP:V, so my !vote is now Keep Caknuck 01:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
That there was an entire CBS Evening News article solely focused on this individual contradicts your assertion of CSD A7. I have no comment on the alleged BLP issues. -- ElKevbo 16:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • It's fixed ... to my mind, the fact that he was a program officer at the NIH is enough to be notable. Keep--but give a stern warning to Freyfaxi for potentially causing legal problems for Wikipedia. Blueboy 96 16:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as the newest version cites multiple (well, just two...but that's multiple!) excellent sources asserting and supporting the notability of the subject. I would be amenable to discussing merging this article in to the NIH article but that is a separate discussion and an editorial decision. -- ElKevbo 17:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Current version appears adequately sourced, and the news coverage supports notability. Espresso Addict 17:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep the subject is notable; besides the references now in the article, the subject keeps injecting himself publicly into significant public health controversies, such as Lyme disease and more recently morgellons, see for example Pathogens & People: Internet helps spread delusion that Morgellons a disease which was published this month. The guy's happy to publicly pronounce on other people and gets bent when people who cite reliable sources write about him. (He did have a justifiable complaint with the original version of the article though.) He pops up all over on Google; while much of it is nasty "echo chamber" stuff written by folks he's annoyed, he's not exactly an anonymous scientist. Studerby 17:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Despite the fact that the article has been substantially cleaned up, McSweegan is still ranting about it not being "approved" by him and that it was "lifted" from certain sources without permission. I'm starting to wonder how much longer we can assume good faith. Blueboy 96 18:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I hope Office doesn't delete it just because he doesn't want it there. If that were to happen, it would set a very bad precedent for Wikipedia. Blueboy 96 19:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Please delete. Doesn't it matter what I think about being subjected to a Wiki entry for reasons unknown, by persons unknown? How can deleting something intended to defame and harass someone be a bad precdent? Whatever happened to honesty and accuracy? EMS
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I do not understand your assertion that the article is "intended to defame and harass someone". Can you please expand on that, preferably with examples from the current version of the article? -- ElKevbo 21:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Dr. McSweegan, it seems that we've gotten off on the wrong foot here. By no means is the site here to defame and harass people. In fact, we have several core policies in place (most importantly regarding the biographies of living people and maintaining a neutral point of view) to prevent those very problems. If there are inaccuracies in an article, by all means bring them forward for discussion. We value accuracy very highly, and are working constantly to ensure that our articles are more accurate and thorough. Caknuck 22:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Policy says: When closing AfDs about living persons whose notability is ambiguous, the closing admin should take into account whether the subject of the article has asked that it be deleted. What we're doing here is arguing about whether or not Dr. McSweegan is sufficiently notable to justify an article. If Tom Delay asked for his article to be deleted, it wouldn't be. If someone created an article about me, it should be speedily deleted; I'm simply not notable, even though a Google search will turn up quite a bit of trivia about me. Dr McSweegan is somewhere in the middle, and that's what interested parties are debating here. In a few days, an administrator will come along and decide what happens next. Studerby 23:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

"In a few days." Is that the policy: to leave questionable or libelous material on your site long enough for it to be seen by thousands of Wiki users, then replicated by Google, Reference, Answer, etc. so it can be stored and retrieved by anyone from any number of other sites forever? Very reasonable, very responsible of you. I'm going on vacation for a few days; when I get back we'll settle this in public, not behind Wiki's barred doors. Emcsweegan 00:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I thought about it and thought about it, and requested oversight of the relevant versions. Did this before discovering this comment by Dr. McSweegan. Blueboy 96 01:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply


I think that is an excellent suggestion should this article be kept. -- ElKevbo 00:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. There are a some stories from 2003 about how he says he was being "paid to do nothing". The news stories were simply reporting this interesting claim because it suggested some sort of corruption. There do not appear to be any more independent sources since that time. This biography serves to document someone's briefly famous dispute with their employer. Wikipedia is not a news archive, notability is weak, and the subject wants it deleted. shotwell 23:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment It seems Dr. McSweegan's issue is that the original version is still in the history (per his statement here that it was "intended to defame and harass me"). Oversighting it would take care of the problem, in my view. Blueboy 96 00:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
And it's been done. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 01:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep in the present form, and watch. DGG ( talk) 02:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Although I was involved in stubbing the article from its previous form to avoid a lot of the issues EMS had. I want to acknowledge that the current version is a much better assembled article, and those responsible should be wikipedia's stub patrol. However, even now, the article basically says "Here's a guy who didn't like his job, his bosses moved him, and hey, even though he didn't like it, he's good at it. Oh, he also thinks crackpots are crackpots, wrote a couple papers in his field, and a couple of pretty unknown sci fi novels." I really haven't seen any major arguments for notability. Should EMS ramp up his activism against moregollums or whatever it's called, and become a national speaker against the diagnosis, or do the same for Chronic Lyme, or any other disease, and become known for being not the loudest mouth, but the best mind against it, that would be notable. Being one among many saying it's a load of hooey does not make him notable to me. Couple that with his desire to NOT be on here, as a dubiously notable person, and I really have to support deletion. ThuranX 03:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
It seems to me that McSweegan's main objection was that the original version was still in the article's history. I personally think the oversighting removes the issue from play--hopefully Dr. McSweegan agrees. Blueboy 96 12:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and Clean Up This article has some NPOV issues, but if Dr. McSweegan wishes for 'his side of the story' to be represented, his best course of action is to create more sources (interviews) so they may be used in the article. Archon of Atlantis 09:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, but purge history - He seems notable, and assuming the newest version is up to snuff and satisfies the subject, I propose that the past history of the article be purged. Talk page also if deemed necessary. That would leave it still available to admins, if needed, but not the casual user. - Crockspot 16:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
The past history of the article has been oversighted ... that was done yesterday. It's only visible to admins with oversight access--but not to the casual user. Blueboy 96 16:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Actually, you're not quite right here. Not even admins with oversight access can see oversight-deleted articles. We can view the log of what was deleted in this fashion, but not see the content. Only developers with SQL access can do that; there is no route to this content in-Wiki. Matthew Brown (Morven) ( T: C) 19:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Seems notable enough for inclusion in this project. -- Tom 17:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - McSweegan does seem to be a player in a controversey significant enough to have its own separate article ( Lyme disease controversy), though not significant enough to be mentioned in the article about the controversey. Given the polarization of his situation, which does seem to be noteworthy, it is unlikely that there are any truly disinterested parties who could write an informed article in a NPOV using only the sort of sources acceptable for citation in WIkipedia. However, if such article could be written, it would be worth having. How close is the current article to meeting such a standard? Hard to tell. -- Pleasantville 18:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Question Where did the subject request deletion? If he did, delete, but if not, keep as there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it. Giggy U C P 01:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
revision from this very page has User:Emcsweegan saying just that. —  Shinhan <  talk > 05:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete both, then redirect the first to List of basic astronomy topics. Sr 13 03:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of astronomical topics

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Extremely unmaintainable (and fairly unmaintained), woefully incomplete and indiscriminate list. For example, there are 359,083 members of the extended Henry Draper catalog alone. We're also up to 160,015 asteroids. Yet, all of these would be eligible to be included given the current inclusion criteria. Not to mention all the other stuff that hasn't been cataloged yet... Had a previous afd back in October 2006, which ended up as no consensus but since then, there's some inkling that these sorts of lists don't belong on Wikipedia. Redundant to various categories and tag schemes, for example Category:Astronomy articles by quality. MER-C 13:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I have understood my mistake, the list will be moved to my personal space. My project turned out not to be so easy I thought previously and must be postponed. -- Quellem 10:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC) Ye may delete list you are talking about. I am really sorry. -- Quellem 10:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Addendum by closing admin: This has been userfied to User:TravisTX/Workshop/List of schools in India. -- Core desat 04:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of schools in India

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Listcruft--and given the size of India, it may never be complete. Blueboy 96 13:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Comment Strong Keep should be reserved for extreme cases, pointing to a few useful redlinks while completely ignoring all of the convincing arguments isn't even reason enough for a weak keep. Malc82 23:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is generally considered an argument to avoid - after a quick look at the entries under List of schools by country, I suspect a bunch of those qualify for AfD consideration as well. -- MarcoTolo 23:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Yes, I am aware of that, but the argument was related to WP:BIAS which invites comparison. Dhaluza 23:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
I've read the WP:BIAS arguments and I disagree. Personally, I'd say delete to [[List of Schools in the United States]] or [[List of Schools in North America]] as well. This list is nearly 900 lines long as it is and I, for one, can't see how it can be reasonably managed. Given the size of India, this list very well may be longer than [[List of Schools in English-Speaking Countries]]. If the list were split per your example above, it would much more keep-worthy. — Travis talk 15:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
The point is of the Bias arguments is that we have fairly full potential coverage of school districts in the United States because the mostly US editors here have worked out the scheme above. Our much fewer number of Indian editors have not had the time to work out the more mature scheme outlined above. If we delete this list now, then we will make largely inaccessible a great deal of work. At one time, the scheme for the US looked like this. We should give these editors the chance to let this list mature into a better scheme. Dsmdgold 15:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply
For what it's worth, I copied the whole list to my user space and have started breaking into separate lists by state. — Travis talk 00:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Corpx. -- ForbiddenWord 14:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep While my vote is borderline, I do not see a need to delete this. Please see the guideline at Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes which states these three methods of organization are not in competition with the other. Categories should not replace lists or vice versa except for special circumstances, of which this is not. This article has obviously had a lot of work put into it and the rationale is much too weak to just delete it all. That the list may never be complete, the same could be said for the category also.( Mind meal 22:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)) reply
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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

TV Junkyard

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This fails WP:ATT. There is no TV junkyard I can find. Nv8200p talk 13:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Z Machine (Video Game System)

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Non notable. No reliable sources provided. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -- Onorem Dil 12:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Now that I think of it, this does look like a hoax. So tagged. Blueboy 96 13:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Pretty obvious hoax of the "Zmachine" interpreter for old text adventures. 68.39.174.238 15:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Casket match

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non notable match type, already covered on the larger list of match types minus the crufty "history" list. The article was prod'ed for the necessary five days before an anon contested it. In truth a redirect would probably be needed. «» bd( talk stalk) 12:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Delete Not enough notability to have its own article. The mention in the other article is sufficient - The history section is completely unsourced Corpx 15:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep - nominator changed mind and withdrew nomination. Non-admin closure. ~ Matticus  T C 20:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Astrosaurs

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This Article includes no information about the books. This is why i have nominated it for deletion. If information about some of the books can be displayed, The notice will be removed. ( Woggy 08:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)) reply

Why don't one of you help me improve it! I want some people to join in the discussion at the Astrosaurs article about ideas about improving it. With the help of other users, We can make this article great! I just wish people would join me. By the way Matticus 78 there is plenty information about the book series. But thats not what i meant. I meant that we, (Not me on my own) Should include the plot for all of the books except the ones that have not been released. Thats all i just hate it when people can't help or tell me their ideas. ( Woggy 18:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)) reply

I just want some help. I want peoples suggestions about ideas for improving the article! I posted 2 messages for the discussion and they never got answered! If we all work together and discuss improvements this Article will be a masterpiece. Come on everyone we need to work together and discuss improvements! Isn't there anyone who is willing to do this? ( Woggy 18:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)) reply

I am pretty sure i removed the notice. Because i thought i was wrong for nominating it. Who removed it? ( Woggy 19:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)) reply

I also created this article under a different user Name but i had to change it to Woggy because i forgot my password. ( Woggy 19:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)) reply

Well, the article is a relatively low-traffic one in an area of fairly limited interest, and therefore edits will be quite infrequent and the talk pages rarely read, so your comments may not be replied to or acted upon for many weeks, if at all. AfD is not a good place to go touting for help, first because nominating for deletion is not the best way to improve an article, and second because the people who regularly read and comment on AfD discussions will not necessarily be particularly knowledgeable about or interested in the subject area of the article in question (we tend to apply our knowledge of Wikipedia policies, and our skills at researching a possibly unfamiliar topic, to form our opinions).
Fortunately, the Wikipedia community has identified the problem of articles that need attention but are not often visited/edited and get overlooked. To help solve it we have "WikiProjects", a sort of central collaborative workspace where editors can find out about articles in a particular subject area that might need attention, discuss improvements, coordinate activities, rate the quality and importance of articles, and so on. In the case of Astrosaurs, the most appropriate place would be the Children's Literature WikiProject. If you visit the project page, you will find a list of editors who tend to concentrate on editing articles about children's books and related topics. Might I suggest you send a message requesting help to one or two of the active editors on the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature? I am sure someone will be happy to lend a hand (but be patient - someone has to read your message first, and not everyone visits Wikipedia to edit every day). Since you said you have changed your mind about nominating this article for deletion, I will close the discussion and remove the notice on the article itself. If you need any more guidance, you are welcome to leave me a message, but I doubt I will be able to do much to help with the article itself because I don't know all that much about children's literature. Though for the record, your suggestion to add a short plot summary for each book in the series is exactly the kind of thing that would improve the article - if you've only read a couple of the books, then just do it for the ones you know, and it need only be a few short sentences. Good luck! ~ Matticus  T C 20:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Zottman curl

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Wikipedia is not a manual or guidebook. Blueboy 96 11:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hmmm, not as cut and dried, the author is Fitness Uncovered ( talk · contribs). Definite WP:COI issues ... if he uploads another article that's a copy of an item on the Website, he'll be reported to WP:AIV as a role account. Blueboy 96 12:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Very much cut and dried, they need to prove on their website that they are the authors of this article, or it's still a copyvio. Corvus cornix 04:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Famous Gouds

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Just a list of people with nothing in common other than a surname. -- ROGER  TALK 11:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Merge into Goud. I agree with Corpx (without whom we wouldn't know what the author was talking about) that there's no reason to keep something that's unsourced and doesn't explain that Goud is a caste. Mandsford 01:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Merge I think its better to merge with the Goud article and we can put citation tag in that article. If the people cant put any authenticated ref/link to the content (people) added to the article, then we can go ahead remove the content.

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of Nairs

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It's wikilinked and it repesents a great deal of work but it's still just a directory -- ROGER  TALK 11:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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  • 'Comment:I am open-minded about this AFD for the moment but would like to find out more before taking a stand. I raised the question with the nominator (see Roger Davies' talk page) and he has speedily replied, though I still have some doubts. It's common sense that Wikipedia is not a Directory and that surnames like Goh, Smith, Davies, although the Davies may have a long ancestral history :-), etc should not be compiled into a list just because some bearers of these surnames (notable or not, wish to see themselves on the list). Some groups of people however do qualify (eg List of Jewish _____ mentioned by Corpx above). I would like some in-depth examination of the importance of the Nairs as a group before I decide whether they should be lumped with the Jews or with the Davies. Cheers. Ivygohnair 22:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Merge into Nair, since it's a caste. If it were simply a surname, I'd say delete. Mandsford 01:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • That would be like merging "List of Famous Methodists" into the Methodists article. While cast is important to a degree, I dont think its as relevant as it was ~200 years ago. Besides, there's not much anyone can do if you include yourself into a cast even if you were not born into it. Corpx 01:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Not necessarily. I don't know how large the Nair caste is; it may or may not be larger than the Methodist church. There are a lot of castes in India; I'm not sure how many subdivisions of the Methodist Church exist, but Baptists are divided into Southern Baptists, Freewill Baptists, Primitive Baptists, etc. Nowadays, caste is still a part of heritage even if it's no longer part of the pecking order. Honestly, I'd never heard of the Nair caste, and the only ones I've heard of at all are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Mandsford 22:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • With all due respect to the people who wish to delete this list, some of you seem to be unacquainted with the actual topic on hand. Because "Nair" is not just a surname its a community of people that encompass many surnames. So if one were to delete this so called "list" they would also have to delete every other list on Wikipedia. There is a list of distinguished/famous Rajputs, Iyers, Ezhavas, Jews, Brahmins, jats etc there are countless lists on Wikipedia of people pertaining to eminent or accomplished people from a certain caste or community and most of them do not have proper citations, whilst this list of Nairs has many sources and references shown. Secondly NAIRS ARE NOT A CASTE they were a community. The word Nair in Ancient Kerala was a synonym for warrior and since they were traditionally a warrior clan they had their own army called the "Nair Pattalam" which is now called Nair Brigade this was the army of the king, there are historical cases where people derived from the lower castes or lower stratosphere were assimilated or inducted into the Nair Brigade if they showed skill in the art of warfare and thus acquired the surname of "Nair" which was conferred onto them by the king. Many of the surnames in the Nair community are actually titles and not to be confused with a caste thus when you say "Nair" It is most definitely a community or a race not a caste. Because there were Nairs who were royals/kings/lords, but also Nairs who were servants and held menial jobs, although traditionally they were a warrior clan. If anyone wants more information on this they can read this http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index13.htm. So in conclusion i would say take all these points on board before you contemplate on deleting the list, and if you decide on deleting it 1. you merely delete the accomplishments of a community 2. You will have to delete the 1000 other such lists on Wikipedia from the list of Jews to Ezhavas. Because they too have made a list of eminent people from their community. Oh and by the way there is a * list of famous ezhavas * which is exactly the same as the list of Nairs. I wonder why no one tries to delete that? Even though that list doesn't show barely any references or citations as the List of Nairs. Its pretty sad that some insecure individuals show their hypocrisy and double standards in wanting to delete one list whilst not the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.248.35 ( talk • contribs)
I'm the insecure individual who nominated this list. It was ignorance, not hypocrisy, that led to the Ezhavas escaping nomination. That has now been rectified ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Famous Ezhavas). I have also nominated Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewish volunteers in the Spanish Civil War for even-handedness. -- ROGER  TALK 06:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Nairs were all those things you described, but it has evolved into a cast of Hinduism now. I wouldn't mind if it only listed Nairs from their heyday (before/early british empire), but that would leave only 3. Everyone else listed on there is from late-British rule->modern day India era, when the "Nayanars" were just another cast in the social structure. Corpx 05:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedily deleted by Philippe. Non-admin closure. Resolute 05:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

MyBoss

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I believe the article is at best, about vapourware, at worst, a hoax. There is very little web-based evidence to support its existence other than that originating from this article, or from the very limited official web site referenced, which contains no corporate or meaningful technical datail Lynbarn 10:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete a7, no assertion of notability. NawlinWiki 18:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

SuperWookie

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Only a handful Ghits, most user created content. Unsigned band, just one album (no mention of market success) - hardly any reliable sources to establish notability. Fails WP:MUSIC. Creator probably has COI. Ayleuss 10:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

June 10, 2007 anti-Israeli occupation protest

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Is a protest with 5000 people notable? There are no "big" media sources cited either. F 09:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Prodded before, prod removed.
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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Kangen Band

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References are missing. Note: The article's original creator has meanwhile also written an article about the individual described in Kangen Band as "Despite the size of his belly, he is actually carrying the softcopies of all Kangen Band's songs in his iPod, including those songs which has not yet being composed by the Band", claiming he has become homosexual because of a "former lady boss". See also Image:Kangen-band-oji.gif. High on a tree 09:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to New Bedford, Massachusetts. Jaranda wat's sup 23:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Normandin Middle School

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The result was Delete, not verified, sources not forthcoming. Until (1 == 2) 05:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Muuse suldaan

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I could not find any independent verification of the importance of this clan; there are only two pages of google results, none of which I could use to assert notability, but many of which were in a language I don't read, so maybe someone else can affirm notability for this group. Prod removed without comment by creator. FisherQueen ( Talk) 19:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I couldnt find any english sources either Corpx 15:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per above Rackabello 15:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Dont Delete Taking in Mind The Poor Usage Of Internet In Somalia and The Family is part of the Great Clan of CIsman Mahmoud AmericanKnight 13:46, 26 july 2007 (UTc)
  • Merge => Cisman Mahmoud as suggested above by Taprobanus. This is a topic for which it might be extremely difficult to find First World sources for. I think the most likely places would be in World Health Organization reports and the academic literature in social anthropology and linguistics. It's too bad we don't have a template to mark articles known for being difficult to properly source for legitimate reasons, such as noted by AmericanKnight. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sr 13 03:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Downley Lodge School of Speech and Drama

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Likely non notable school. No sources available to assert anything beyond its existence. Sorted as part of Wikipedia: Wikiproject Notability. Daniel J. Leivick 18:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Keep. After examining the arguments, including the external links provided, I have come to the conclusion that the points made by those !voting "Keep" are more influential than those !voting "Delete", particularly those regarding the tagging of the article with {{ Unreferenced}} or a related template ~ Anthøny 11:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Vexel

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Non-notable and unsourced article (it even admits it in the article body!). Kargath64 06:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Delete A google search brings out no reliable hits for this article. This article is also neologism in nature. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 07:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep. While I don't currently see any reliable sources in the search, there are "about" 150,000 results according to google (and yes, I know how reliable that figure is, but I've clicked through 300 of them and there are still more to come). A random selection suggests that the majority are about this topic (with a small number concerned with a vehicle manufacturer, and another small quantity concerned with something called a "bill of exchange" that's used in Russia). This large number of articles suggests notability within the community, and given that notability, I feel the existing sources (while self published) are adequate to ensure verifiability. JulesH 10:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Has anyone even put a sources tag on it? Perhaps give it time, or actually find sources you approve of. This is genuine, and this article is quite well-written and intriguing. Give it a little time, or better still, do some of the work. It's not like this is non- content, it's informative. Merkinsmum 11:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete no notability now. I looked through google news and found nothing relevant. There's just not enough notability to keep the article now Corpx 15:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep has lots of Google hits. Google News is entirely the wrong place to search for this term. - Fuzheado | Talk 20:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Delete Attempt to introduce new neologism, as even admitted in the article text. Many of the Google hits you'd be getting are just from deviantART's metadata.
  • Weak Keep - it seems the community at vexel.org has about 6000 members (how many active, etc I don't know), so that seems to be an active community interested in an emerging art form. It seems to me not a small community for an emerging form, either. Smmurphy( Talk) 03:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Transwiki to Wiktionary and Request treatment at Wikinews. Articles of this kind help to delineate the boundaries of Wikipedia versus her sister projects. The vexel concept as an emerging tool for artistic expression is simply in too early a stage to warrant encyclopedic treatment; as noted at http://news.deviantart.com/article/27110/ (probably the closest to a reliable source currently available for this concept) the definition of the term and the how-to around use of the graphic method are still a matter of debate ... it is an emerging art technique. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sr 13 03:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Thekke Puthen Church

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This article is about a local parish church in India. No sources are provided, I could find no Google hits for the church's name other than Wikipedia and its mirrors, and I could not even find the church listed in the directory of the denomination's parishes in its state (see [19] and [20]). Thus, the article has problems with verifiability and lack of reliable sources. I submitted this article for proposed deletion a few months ago, but the PROD tag was removed at that time. The justification for notability was that it is the only Malankara Orthodox parish church dedicated to St. Youhanan Mulk, but I don't believe that qualifies as notability in the sense intended by WP:ORG. I recommend a delete. Metropolitan90 06:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Philippians 4:13

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Not sure how this particular writing is notable outside its particular "epistle" To clarifiy, I'm not seeing notability for this particular verse on its own. Navou 06:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I'm a little curious about this also. In my opinion, the article is not a recreation, and in the future, if sources are discovered to justify notability, I do not want its creation precluded. Why salt? Navou 19:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Philippians 4 should be enough. 70.55.91.131 08:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

(unindent) Notability is not hear-say or opinion, it is something to be verified in reliable, independent sources. Sources with a clear conflict of interest or which are not generally known as independent and reliable are not acceptable verifications of notability. VanTucky (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy Deleted by User:Philippe Corpx 15:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Continuous Ink Systems and Photographers

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Advert dressed up as a chatty article. -- RHaworth 05:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete by Philippe, copyright violation. Non-admin closure. Blueboy 96 11:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Towards an Egyptian National Migration Policy

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Original research. -- RHaworth 05:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete without prejudice toward a redirect. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Most ancient common ancestor

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The article is based on original research. The name of the article appears to be coined by the author.

  • Strong Delete Regardless of what the article specifically says, overall it's clearly an essay, and pretty much entirely original research, and should be deleted as such. User:Calgary 21 July 2007
  • Keep The term does exist, and it's a pretty simple concept which therefore needs a sourced definition. There's no need to delete, just a complete rewrite. The MACA is always defined relative to some group, e.g. for all animals it is considered to be some sort of sponge [22] -- rewrite in progress! . -- Michael C. Price talk 08:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
That two websites incorrectly used Most ancient common ancestor when they should have used Most recent common ancestor does not make this a real term. As I said earlier, most ancient common ancestor for you and I is the very first self-replicating RNA. Please think about it. Fred Hsu 15:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Still no reason to delete. Do a redirect then if they are synonyms. -- Michael C. Price talk 11:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment Antonyms are not synonyms. They mean the opposite, not the same. Edison 21:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Notice that 'writing style' was not one of the reasons I listed as reasons for deletion. This article is factually incorrect. It is simply wrong and should be deleted. Fred Hsu 15:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    • article quality has nothing to do with the deletion process (can we post this in giant letters somewhere please?) shoddy articles on valid topics should be cleaned up, not deleted. This one is unsalvageable since its very title is unsalvageable. dab (𒁳) 18:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per JulesH for looking up the Most Prevalent Common Ancestor Term. The citations are for some decently written articles that happen to use the same combination of four words that fit in the context they are writing about. No assertion or citation suggesting this is a scientifically prevalent term or even a particularly popular term. - Markeer 12:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Unencyclopedic for example:
For all living animals it is considered to be some sort of sponge.
You get the impression it is a kitchen sponge. Muntuwandi 13:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Perhaps the latter? Extremely sexy 14:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Please do not merge until someone comes up with a clear definition of this term which makes sense. Please also cite real sources for this term. Currently cited sources talk about most recent common ancestor which is already well written in its own article. What can we add to that article that is not already there? Fred Hsu Fred Hsu 15:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
The fact that the grammatically-challenged may refer to it as the "most ancient common ancestor". Sohelpme 19:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete - Article just contains a definition now and that's it, which could be construed as violation of WP:NOT#DICT. I dont think we're losing much to start over Corpx 15:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and merge - if there is anything of value here it should be merged into one of the other main articles. This is definitional in scope, which is not the purpose of Wikipedia. -- Storm Rider (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete to get unsourced, OR/POV essay out of the page history, then create Redirect to most recent common ancestor and add a note there like "sometimes erroneously referred to as most ancient common ancestor". Compare [23] to [24]. The "most ancient common ancestor" of any set of living things is the world's first living single cell--not all that interesting or important. Sohelpme 19:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    • Comment Unlike WP:BLP, copyright issues, and a few other things, it is not necessary to hide original research through deletion or edit-masking. It may be convenient or even A Good Thing but it is not necessary. I'm sure there are lots of articles in Wikipedia that were OR at one point until someone cleaned them up. Those edits remain in the history unless someone bothered to remove them. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 01:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per Sohelpme. Has very little content which in fact should be in most recent common ancestor. Dan Gluck 19:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Reminder: hey folks, you are now looking at a completely trimmed down version of the article, if you simply click on the article link. The original revision which I talked about in my deletion nomination is THIS ONE. Fred Hsu 20:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Revert and Merge the original version Fred Hsu mentioned above at 20:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) with Multiregional hypothesis and redirect. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 21:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as complete nonsense, or Redirect to Most recent common ancestor to assist people who type the opposite of what they mean. Current evolutionary theory would say that all species have the same most ancient common ancestor, perhaps a single cell organism in a primordial pool. Most recent common ancestor would make sense. This is not a term with sources to show it is used in the literature and if not a hoax is at least original research. Edison 21:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Even if this is not original research as claimed, any useful content in both the old and new versions should be merged into existing articles. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 21:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I will restore the Fred Hsu 20:19, 21 July 2007 version sometime after 0300 unless someone objects on the article talk page or the current article is drastically improved. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 21:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Er... folks, it's not my version. I added original research template first. Then I added the nominated for deletion template. I think the entire article is simply nonsensical. There is nothing to be salvaged from the original article. I posted the Reminder comment earlier to give newcomers to this thread a heads-up, in case you mistake the current version for what I nominated, in which case my nomination comments would make no sense. Fred Hsu 23:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Hearing no objections and seeing no improvement, I reverted to last version by Fred Hsu. Any comments made here between 08:39, 21 July 2007 and 04:38, 22 July 2007 may be referring to a rewrite started by 08:39, MichaelCPrice at 08:39, 21 July 2007. Which bore very little resemblance to the version that is now up. The version that is now up is the same as the version that was up when the AfD started. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 04:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment It looks like everyone above, except the original nominator Fred Hsu, Calgary, and the man who attempted a good-faith rewrite Michael C. Price, stated their opinion while the rewrite was up. The closing admin should take this into consideration. IF the consensus is for deletion based on OR grounds rather than other issues, I recommend instead reverting to the latest version of the rewrite and hiding the OR-version edits. Personally though, I think the OR version is more salvageable than the rewrite. The rewrite has issues of quality and readability. The text needs to be vastly improved before it should be placed in the main body of the encyclopedia. The OR version just has issues of OR, adding sources and citations should fix the problem. See Multiregional hypothesis for potential source material. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 12:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment: the article should be deleted. The term simply does not exist. Multiregional hypothesis references are irrelevant to this article. If this article exists simply to support such hypothesis, then it should be part of the multiregional hypothesis. Please let us not create an article with fake, nonsensical scientific name with body text which talks about something completely different. No amount of out-of-context citations can salvage this article. Fred Hsu 13:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: At best, I found 4 sources on Google. These sources are ambiguous and may in fact not be sources at all. See the article talk page for details. In contrast, I found 8 sources that use this term in the context of Clade and 1 that used it in the context of geneology. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 14:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • REQUEST for closing admin: Userfy the talk page if the article is deleted. There's some stuff on there I want to hang on to for a bit. Don't leave it where it is, if the article is recreated as a redirect to something else, a stale talk page will be confusing. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 14:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Still delete. The article may be substantially different from the one that I previously commented on, but now it looks like original research, rather than a duplicate of existing information with the wrong title. There are two references in the article, but neither seems to be discussing the idea proposed by the article, which to me seems nonsensical. JulesH 16:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • delete. the term is used (a) incorrectly, by authors who don't know what they are talking about, and (b) casually, within some understood context. nothing to do with what the article pretends to be about. Arguments for Multiregional hypothesis can be discussed at that article. dab (𒁳) 17:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • comment the concept that the original author is apparently trying to describe is that of the identical ancestors point, which could indeed be split off the mrca article as an independent topic. dab (𒁳) 18:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

arbitrary break

  • Comment dab gutted removed most of the unsourced material from the article again but this time left at least some of the original. I moved what's left into a section and turned the header into a disambiguation section, with some citations to back it up. The article is no longer unsourced original research. However, the section that's left of the original is and remains tagged as such. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 19:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC) edited davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 21:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as unsourced (a non-scientific popular publication and a throwaway, uncited reference in a scientific one?) original research. The use of unmoved mover doesn't help it either, makes it look like creationist BS. The original article was worse, with extensive use of first-person plurals - POV OR. WLU 13:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. "Most Ancient Common Ancestor" is not sourced and the article gives one no idea what it's supposed to mean. It just says that the two things it might mean - it doesn't. There doesn't seem to be anything worth saving here by merging into another article. Perhaps a redirect to most recent common ancestor or abiogenesis. Bgplayer 19:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There is article Last universal ancestor. This article does not seem to have any useful content. Biophys 02:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • comment: I feel that the references davidwr mentions are really referring to Last common ancestor. So I favor redirection to Last common ancestor now. I have enhanced the MRCA article to talk about different between MRCA and Last Common Ancestor (LCA) and point to LCA article, the same way the MRCA article talks about the identical ancestors point. Fred Hsu 04:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Resolution

I know people usually don't vote on deletion nominations. But given that we have wildly different opinions here, I thought perhaps we should quickly do an informal survey to see where people stand. Please don't post opinions in this section. Just put your signature below your choice. Add your own if you want. Fred Hsu 04:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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No consensus = keep, but still it has been deleted? Extremely sexy 14:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedy Delete and Salt enough is enough. Non admin closure Rackabello 06:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Young son

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Faster deletion contested, so here we are. No claims of charts, tours, awards, primary-topic press, or anything else to meet WP:MUSIC or WP:BIO. The purpose of Wikipedia is to document (previously attained) notability, not to try and help create it. With no independent refs also fails WP:VERIFY and, given the contributor's username and that it's been speedied and recreated three times here and five times at Young Son, probably has WP:AUTO and/or WP:COI issues, as well (and may need salt). Sohelpme 04:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete & salt (non-admin closure, article already deleted by Philippe) — Caknuck 07:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Soul Inspired: Hip Hop's Revival

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Few month-old 'debut album' of aspiring rapper Young son listed above. 'Good luck with that, kid' and all, but... Faster deletion contested, so here we are. No claims of charts, tours, awards, primary-topic press, or anything else to meet WP:MUSIC or WP:BIO. The purpose of Wikipedia is to document (previously attained) notability, not to try and help create it. With no independent refs also fails WP:VERIFY and, given the contributor's username and that it's been speedied and recreated several times, probably has WP:AUTO and/or WP:COI issues, as well. Sohelpme 04:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply


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The result was withdrawn by nominator. ~  Wikihermit 15:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Douglas E. Winter

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non notable writer and lawyer. ~  Wikihermit 04:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 03:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Baseball trivia

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"Trivia" in the name gives it away. Basically a pretty clear violation of WP:NOT a collection of random information. Maybe this can be salvaged by merging it elsewhere? Calliopejen1 03:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Jewish defense

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article is origional research and article has no content. Not sure this is even a real concept. Sefringle Talk 03:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete (a) Used in this sense, it appears to be a neologism. Most Google hits for the phrase that don't find the JDL or the JDO seem to be organizations from Mandatory Palestine. (b) Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. — Malik Shabazz ( Talk | contribs) 04:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Delete, unsourced neologism. 6SJ7 16:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of Deceased Wrestlers

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I don't see how this article has any relevancy. Perhaps it could be made into a category but I doubt that as well. This article's existence doesn't seem to serve any purpose in my opinion and the relevant information could simply exist within the pages of each individual mentioned. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Everyone dies eventually. Not all racing drivers die in races. You could draw a comparison if this was "List of wrestlers who died in wrestling matches", but it isn't. Equally, not everyone 'disappears' — in fact, it's really quite unusual (and often even notable on a per-person basis) for someone to fall off the face of the Earth. Angus Lepper( T, C, D) 15:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Ron Paul controversies

note to AfD closer: if this gets deleted please first fold it back in to the Ron Paul#Controversies section as this is being used as a WP:SUMMARY main article at present. BenB4 09:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Nevermind, got it. BenB4 13:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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POV fork created for/because of an apparent content dispute in the main article. By definition this article can never be NPOV. —  Coren  (talk) 02:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Changed to Delete per Turtlescrubber below, agreed. BenB4 13:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    • A summary was my intention -- and to detail the controversy surrounding a U.S. Congressman and presidential candidate being played out across many major news outlets and blogs.-- Daveswagon 04:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • STRONG DELETE Your summary does not reverse or invalidate any of the arguments for deletion. A speedy DELETION is in order Anappealtoheaven 04:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    • No, the fact that the content is no longer forked does.-- Daveswagon 04:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
      • Strong Delete Daveswagon and BenB4 are manufacturing controversy and reposting "political position" content OUT-OF-CONTEXT and moving it up in the article to unfairly prejudice readers. Their edits have many characteristics of a HOAX and should be moved completely off of wikipedia. These lies are NOT good enough to publish at uncyclopedia.org. Why are we allowing such a forum for this nonsense on WIKIPEDIA? Delete, Delete, Delete this is silly stuff. Anappealtoheaven 15:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete by Jimfbleak, A7. Non-admin closure. Blueboy 96 11:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

50 UK Campus Conversation Topics

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Advert for non-notable book. The author of the article is probably one of the authors of the book. -- RHaworth 02:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Disruptor (spam blocking Outlook plugin)

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Contested speedy, then prod. The software described is not notable. The article does little or nothing to assert its notability, and the article is largely written like an advertisement. Few relevant Google hits that aren't ads or Wikipedia/reflectors. Realkyhick 02:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

==non-notability contested== fix header so it won't disrupt things Ten Pound Hammer • ((( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 02:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reference to: printed technology magazine reply

additionally it is a first-in-kind use of Microsoft's COM add-in technology.

Parlanced 02:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • being the first of a kind thing makes it deserving of an article doesn't it? apologies for the garish formatting. I wasn't trying to be an attention whore. I assumed that was the right style. Parlanced 03:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Russel Timoshenko

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Notability of the subject has not been established WWGB 02:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Delete. The article does not assert the notability of the officer, other than sadly being killed on duty. It reads more like a news item than an encyclopedic entry. WWGB 02:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. It is sad, but there are unfortunately many line-of-duty deaths for police officers. This is not Wikinews. Realkyhick 02:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Sad story, but violation of WP:NOT#NEWS - No historic notability for this Corpx 02:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Not notable enough for it's own article. Agreed, sad story, however I don't believe it's anywhere near notable enough. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Not suffiently notable. Read a lot about the case, and there doesn't appear to be anything remarkable about the case. Just a dirtbag who gunned down a cop. Montco 03:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep Let's wait a bit longer and see where this anti-gun thing goes [26]. Not opposed to re-listing if it doesn't result in greater notability. Wl219 12:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. There is no notability to the officer, other than sadly being killed in the line of duty. Unfortunately all too many officers are killed in the line of duty worldwide... but most, like Timoshenko, are not notable. I agree that the article reads more like a news item than an encyclopedic entry. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Perhaps this belongs in WikiNews. Tom M. 22:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. — Kurykh 04:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

The latin phonetic method of Shanghainese

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DeleteThis page looks quite like a rehash in expanded form of the deleted Lumazi - a project to develop a Romanisation scheme for Shanghainese. The content was originally inserted into, then deleted from, Shanghainese ( [27] [28] and [29] on the grounds of "self promotion"). Several grounds for deletion:

  1. no assertion of notability;
  2. external links reveal only a limited online presence: one project website, and one example of implementation; other links are to web forum posts;
  3. The article links to Chinese and French wikipedia articles, but those were created by the same user over a 3 week period - which seems to give the subject matter a hint of notability that it does not in fact possess. PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 01:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

On further reading of the Chinese Wikipedia page ( zh:吳語拉丁式注音法), that article gives the following details about the project: it was created in 2001 by a person identified through his/her web alias as "上海闲話abc", and developed with two other persons identified via web aliases as "Hisahara" and "Key". Nothing is stated about the extent of its usage on that page. -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 01:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Comment I'm really not sure about this. Could this fit under WP:NOT#HOWTO in that wikipedia is not a pronunciation guide? Corpx 02:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Well, I've read the article, and I still can't quite figure out what it is. Is it some kind system for romanizing Chinese characters, or what? I'm kind of inclined to support deletion as it seems to be altogether non-notable, as well as a sort of manual (not to mention incredibly confusing), but I wouldn't want to do that if I'm not sure exactly what I'm discussing the deletion of. Calgary 05:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Very interesting for a linguist, but misses notability criteria by a large margin. This is a very recent proposal, it has had no official recognition, and its author is not notable. This system might catch on in the future (although I doubt it), but it's certainly not notable enough right now. -- Targeman 14:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - sourced and I see no reason why an editor might want to hide an article about this romanization system from other WP users. Badagnani 18:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
There are no external sources. And what do you think about the notability criterion though? -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 00:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - There are external sources. It's also real bad that the original author of the article was not alerted of this AFD nor was any discussion posted to his/her discussion page. That really isn't right! Badagnani 01:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
The external links consist of the project's own website, one example of implementation on a website, and web forum posts. There are no external, third-party sources for the article. Most problematically, no claim to notability is made out.
This AfD was notified on Wikiproject:China, and of course it is prominently displayed on the article itself. There is no requirement to notify the creator (who, btw, has not edited since June 5, when this article was created). If you think notification is necessary, I will do so now. But please give us your thoughts on notability.-- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 01:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminant collection of information. Notability needs to be satisfied. -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 03:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep Non admin close. ~  Wikihermit 00:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Julia Clancey

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Non-notable designer. Coverage is trivial, price in article smells like promotion. No claim to sufficient notability to pass WP:BIO for creative professionals. —  Coren  (talk) 01:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Comment. If you are on Vogue's website, you are not a standard business professional. If you look in the drop-down box, you'll see they went to about 250 shows this season and took photos. This means that Vogue UK (one of the most important fashion magazines) thinks this woman is one of the 250 most important fashion designers in the world right now, which I think is decently notable in such a huge industry. If you were one of the top 250 actors in the world, to compare this to another profession, would certainly have a wikipedia page. I'm adding new references to a The Independent piece on her. There are certainly enough reliable sources to be had here... Calliopejen1 13:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete reads more like news or an advert. If you have to explain the notability in full detail to someone, then maybe they aren't that notable to begin with. Pharmboy 15:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep are you fucking serious? Her designs have been featured in Vogue, Glamour, InStyle, Elle, GQ, and FHM... if thats not a notable designer... then we might as well delete them all.   ALKIVAR ™ ☢ 18:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment: Lets please keep this civil. We can disagree without being disagreable. Pharmboy 18:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The article has changed in major ways since its nomination. The subject meets WP:BIO by a) being the subject (or being the creator of the subject) of multiple reliable secondary sources and b)by being known for originating a significant new concept in that her fashion concepts have been recognized by the Centre for Fashion Enterprise (an internationally recognized institution) as being worth nurturing and retaining in London. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply
COMMENT Like many articles, they seem to magically improve when nominated. It is better now. Pharmboy 00:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Jezebel swain

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non-notable, suspect hoax; prodded it, IP address user modified with a link to a livejournal page as a source NeilN 01:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was No consensus. Until (1 == 2) 05:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

David L. Leamon

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I'm sure a claim to having had the lobby of a local public library named after oneself is not enough to pass notability criteria, but I suppose it's enough to not be speedily deleted. Non-notable librarian, with no sources. —  Coren  (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Strong Keep. I think Mr. Leamon more than meets the criteria in WP:BIO. He has played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work or collective body of work (multiple Libraries significant enough for you?) which have been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles, and he personally has been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles as well. Additionally, his work has become a significant monument within each community, 2 of his libraries have won significant critical attention and are internationally significant both architecturally and for the services they provide. If you go by the academic standards, he is repeatedly quoted in newspapers or newsmagazines , has appeared on CNN and is widely regarded as a significant expert in his area. Zafti 17:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC) — Safti ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
  • Keep on the basis of the building activity. Librarians dont get very often to design major new facilities, and to have planned two notable ones with major architects is quite distinctive. It's sometimes hard judging the work of administrators, but I think he's well over the bar. DGG ( talk) 07:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep The article has expanded some and accumulated citations since being brought to AFD. The references are from two newspapers, but the set from one newspaper are not accessible, which is why I append Weak to my support. Assuming Good Faith, I would say that the subject passes the first WP:BIO criterion of being the subject of multiple secondary sources (I count the 6 articles being from 2 secondary sources in this case - which is why WP:AGF is needed). Having a part of a building named after you satisfies (weakly) satisfies a second of the WP:BIO criteria - receiving a significant recognized honor; people seek out having wings of buildings and rooms named after them as persistent marks of their influence. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to List of sportspeople who have died during their playing career. Obviously a fork of that page; I don't see why wrestling would require a separate article. Sr 13 01:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of wrestlers who died early age

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This is a text-book example of irredeemable WP:LISTCRUFT if I ever saw one. The underlying concept is not notable, and it's indiscriminate and arbitrary (why not before the age of 40? Or 60? What is "early age"?) —  Coren  (talk) 01:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

As stated in the article - 50. Chaldean 01:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Well, "List of wrestlers who died during a match" would be an analog. Also, please try to remember that the existence of one article is not a good reason to keep another. —  Coren  (talk) 01:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete or Merge: Would be made a lot better into a regular encyclopedia article, and not a list. It is something that's notable, but doesn't need to have a page to itself, especially when only six are mentioned and there are probably many more that can be found and included. At the moment it just seems like it was copied off another page (Old Assyrian Period?) and then filled in with the info of the wrestlers. Good idea, just poorly made and needs to be included in another way. - Kneel17 01:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Listcruft, pure and simple. Besides, who defines "early age"? Count this one out, ref. Realkyhick 02:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep. That was fast. Didn't realize I wielded so much influence. :-) Even so, I'm not really thriled about this list, and I think it would be better sorted by name than by date, though I think there's a way you can set charts up to allow user sorting. I gotta say that there seems to be an inordinate amount of coverage of pro wrestling on Wikipedia as a whole. However, I think this list now escapes the choke-hold of listcruft. (Choke-hold? Wrestling? Get it? Oh, never mind.) Realkyhick 02:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep First off, the article is improperly named. The appropriate title is List of professional wrestlers who have died during their career, as that is described by the article as criteria for inclusion. When you look at it that way, it seems to be of far greater value, as it is entirely objective, rather than subjective (For example, if Ric Flair were to die any time soon, he would still be included in the article, as although whether he is at an "early age" for death may be arguable, the fact that he is still an active professional wrestler cannot be disputed. Once you take that into consideration, I'd have to say that yes, the subject of of professional wrestlers who have died during their active careers is indeed notable enough for it's own list. Calgary 03:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
"Young" is ambiguous, "Early" is also ambiguous. As for "in their career", that would put the list to maybe 15 notable individuals at most. Wikidudeman (talk) 03:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Core desat 03:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

List of Monster in My Pocket characters

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Catalog listing of hundreds of figures in a toy range. It's a useless list as well, because none of the names link to articles about the toys. Indiscriminate information that belongs on a fansite, not an encyclopedia. Crazysuit 01:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Delete: per Crazysuit. Purely pointless... fairly entertaining list to look at, though. - Kneel17 01:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • delete - the "See also" section is hilarious - it includes a link to The Lesser Key of Solomon. The main Monster in My Pocket article is quite large, so I think merging is completely out of the question, whether someone can format it or not. I sympathize with anyone interested in this subject matter who says "but it's useful!"; but I think this is a little too much detail for Wikipedia to have on this topic. Thus listcruft, thus delete. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 01:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep: I was more or less forced to excise this from the Monster in My Pocket article, but without this, it ignores the rich lore that Monster ion My Pocket draws from. It's not a collection simply of famous monsters, but little-known monsters as well. To eliminate this makes no sense, especially when every Kinnikuman character is listed. There is nothing "hilarious" about a link to The Lesser Key of Solomon considering it is one of the sources from which Monster in My Pocket characters were drawn. Except for Warlock and Vampire, there really is not enough about the monsters that are unique to their MIMP presentations to make them more than supplementary information to the monster's main page. Had more materials, such as the announced live-action feature film, been made, that would be a valid argument. To delete this article is simply not thoughtful, as the whole point of the range is that they were "real" monsters, in the sense of all being pre-existing ideas in international culture before they were toys. Yes, it got sidetracked, but even the Super Creepies are based on real arthropods. -- Scottandrewhutchins 15:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: WP:NOT a toy catalog. Just because something is 'real' doesn't make it notable, encyclopedic, or even interesting outside of its fanbase. - Woo ty  Woot?  [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam! 23:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment This article makes a mockery of the respectable field of pocket monsters. ~ Infrangible 02:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete; there is already an external link to the excellent Toyarchive.com in the main Monster in My Pocket article, which has a huge list of merchandise, including images. If anyone wants to see a list of every toy in the range, they can click on that link. Masaruemoto 05:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, this should in a template or a category instead of a listcruft article.-- JForget 16:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • But the point is to link to the entires on the monsters in wikipedia, as nearly all of them have an article. You people all seem to be missing the point. -- Scottandrewhutchins 15:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Wikipedia articles are not mere collections of internal links. If there are reliable secondary sources that discuss these creatures in the specific context of MIMP then great, write an article on them. Otto4711 12:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply
    • It was not simply a collection of internal links until it was reworked by someone else. It was originally "Characters of Monster in My Pocket" and I was forced to concede the change under the three-revert rule. With User:Spylab's changes reversed, it would be a work in progress and not simply a collection of internal links. -- Scottandrewhutchins 16:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was Speedily deleted as copyvio.

Disclaimer: Non-admin close by original nom. I did not tag the copyvio nor did I delete the article. —  Coren  (talk) 02:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

National Identification System in the Philippines

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Large essay on a topic that arguably might be notable, but is currently unverified, unsourced and an attempt at mobilization. —  Coren  (talk) 01:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 01:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

NFL Rants & Raves

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Non-notable podcast. Searches on Yahoo and Google turned up no reliable independent sources. Blueboy 96 00:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, very unclear as to precisely define what a green handshake is. Sr 13 01:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Green handshake

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Apparent neologism. No sources at all. At best, a dicdef. Blueboy 96 00:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge and redirect to List of minor characters in Biker Mice from Mars#Mace. Sr 13 00:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Mace (Biker Mice from Mars)

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Minor characters are rarely notable, especially if they only appeared in three episodes. Clarityfiend 00:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was snow delete by JodyB. Non-admin closure. Blueboy 96 14:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

The Trails Park

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Since when are swimming pools notable? Clarityfiend 00:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Deleted - per discussion, some kind of odd test page. Shell babelfish 03:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Russia without Dostoevsky

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Apparent content fork. Virtual carbon copy of Russia. Blueboy 96 00:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sr 13 00:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Life of African Women

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is there possibility of this becoming an encyclopedic topic? i doubt it Xorkl000 00:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete - kind of original research topic. Miranda 00:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete Original research and no chance of becoming encyclopedic. Oyster guitarist 01:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
weak delete - I actually think it is an appropriate topic idea, though I can't see how an author would be able to generalize across all Africa. If one could really perform that generalization, though, and if the external research is out there to refer to (and I bet there's all sorts of African Women's Studies stuff out there), I think it would be a fantastic article for Wikipedia to have. Unfortunately, this article isn't it. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 01:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment if there were any National Geographic references included within the context of the article, then that would be a different story, since verifying facts are shown. Miranda 02:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
To both of the above: There is a place called Africa. There are women in it. What experiences do African women share? Do they have a common condition? In what ways do African women's lives differ from each other, and do African women experience things that others do not? My suggestion is that this can be a referenced and encyclopedic article, because all those questions have (probably) been written about in Women's Studies programs all over. Although, like I said, the present article isn't doing a good job at all. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 21:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete I could imagine an encyclopedic article under this title... but this isn't it, or even the start of it. Delete. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak delete per AllGloryToTheHypnotoad and Andrew Lenahan. It could be a really fine article, but this is not the one. If deleted, please do not salt. "I have a dream ..." oh, you know what I mean. Bearian 16:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete talk about indiscriminate...this list could go on for billions of entries. VanTucky (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Unfortunately. This would have been a very interesting article, although I think it would need to be completely re-started as there is OR and few sources. The lack of wikilinking, categories and poor writing would also justify the full restart of it.-- JForget 17:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete You can tell which people vote to delete or to keep without even bothering to read the article, since there's no "list" involved at all and no clue as to why it was so titled. I did read it, it's not just a matter of being mistitled, and it is somewhat arbitrary to generalize about half of the residents of an entire continent. For those who judge a book only by its cover, spouting Wikipedia slogans doesn't make up for it. Mandsford 01:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result was Keep, erroneously nominated.

Disclosure: non-admin close. —  Coren  (talk) 01:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Helenium virus S

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non-notable, suspect hoax; prodded it, IP address user modified with a link to a livejournal page as a source NeilN 01:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Sorry, wrong page -- NeilN 01:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was that's so deleted. K ri mp et 03:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

That's So Pooshnik

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This is a fictional television show mentioned only once at the end of That's So in the House, an episode of Cory in the House. It will most likely never be made into an actual television show, and doesn't merit its own article. Kalani [talk] 01:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy delete, nonadmin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • ((( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 20:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

The 30 Most Powerful Women in America

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A lot of effort seems to have been put into this article, but this is merely a list published in a single issue of a monthly magazine. And for the most part, the editors have simply copied the list from the magazine. This should be a violation of WP:NOT#INFO or something similar. MagneticFlux 17:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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