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The result was delete and redirect to Howard Buffett. Randykitty ( talk) 14:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

Leila Stahl Buffett

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Poorly sourced biography of a person whose only stated claim of notability is having been the wife and mother of other people. As always, notability is not inherited -- if a person does not have standalone notability in her own right for her own career accomplishments, then she does not get an article just to help fill out the genealogies of her notable relatives. And the sources here are not about her for the purposes of getting her over WP:GNG, either -- two of the three are glancing namechecks of her existence in coverage of her son, and the third is a user-generated family tree on a genealogy site, none of which are notability-supporting sources. Bearcat ( talk) 20:57, 4 August 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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• Comment. ABC News [1] reports that she was an emotionally abuse mother, although post-partum depression and its consequences may have been a factor. The article is about her daughter's book, but discusses Leila extensively. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 4 August 2018 (UTC) reply

People don't get Wikipedia articles just because they can technically be referenced to their notable children's autobiographies. Those are directly affiliated sources, not independent ones, for the purposes of making a person notable enough for an encyclopedia article — they could be used for some supplementary verification of facts after WP:GNG had already been met by stronger sources, but are not bringers of GNG in their own right if they are the strongest sources on offer. Bearcat ( talk) 14:48, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Bearcat:. The book about the daughter is not an autobiography. Zitz, Michael (2010). Giving it all away : the Doris Buffett story. Sag Harbor, NY: Permanent Press. ISBN  9781579622091. OCLC  542263588. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 13:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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• Delete Biographies of Warren Buffett (not currently used as references) talk about his mother, but I see no sign of other sources. There's no claim of importance or significance (apart from familial relations). power~enwiki ( π, ν) 02:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep. Could be enhanced using this and similar sources.-- Ipigott ( talk) 18:28, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep. The article was dormant in a skeleton condition but not submitted for deletion. The article has been enhanced with details and references recently. I am in the process of searching for additional details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SWP13 ( talk • contribs)
• Keep. Although a stub, surely the article will grow with contribution and more research. If guidelines about notability does not lend itself to include an article about the mother of some very notable children, then surely exceptions can be made in this case due to her bloodline and the immense curriosity people all over the world have of the subject. Surely 'public curiosity' of a subject should be reason enough to be included in an encyclopedia even though the person might not have done anything notable herself. Some things are notable enough by just by 'being in existance', a natually formed monument for example. The subject has historic significance.

-- Tabletop123 ( talk) 02:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete. As of now, I'm afraid the article doesn't pass the notability threshold for me. Too much of it is about her family, not enough about her personally. I'd be happy to revisit the issue if it's fleshed out further, but for now I think it's better as a redirect. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao ^{Che dicono a Signa?} _{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:23, 6 August 2018 (UTC) reply
• Delete - no claim of notability beyond familial. Tacyarg ( talk) 22:35, 6 August 2018 (UTC) reply
• Redirect - I don't think there are good enough reasons (public curiosity levels etc) for WP:IAR to overrule WP:FAMILYBIO. The coverage received in the course of biographies etc of her children don't seem to provide sufficient coverage of her to warrant inclusion. Per the suggestion in WP:INVALIDBIO I'd suggest a redirect, for now, to Howard Homan Buffett. Nosebagbear ( talk) 12:06, 11 August 2018 (UTC) reply
• Delete Doesn't pass notability test, the article seems to be all about her family. Notability isn't inherited from the spouse. Not sure what is added with the claims she was an abusive mother. W C M _email 12:18, 11 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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