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The result was keep. Randykitty ( talk) 09:30, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Keigo Moriyasu

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Subject has not played in a fully professional league and has not represented his nation at senior or Olympic level. Philippines league only professional starting 2019. This article was only deleted a few weeks ago and the subjects notability has not changed since then. Simione001 ( talk) 22:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Simione001 ( talk) 22:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Simione001 ( talk) 22:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Simione001 ( talk) 22:38, 10 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 14:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC) reply
I'm very confused... Giant Snowman 07:36, 12 July 2019 (UTC) reply
It is indeed somewhat confusing. It appears that a mistake has been made. He does appear to have played in a professional league. Simione001 ( talk) 11:16, 12 July 2019 (UTC) reply
In that case keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL and likely WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 08:13, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
This simply isn't true. Neither have short paragraphs - both contain about 30 sentences and 550 to 600 words. Lengths isn't a criteria in itself, but these aren't brief 3-paragraph articles with 6 sentences in total. Both articles are entirely about Keigo Moriyasu. Both are significant coverage. The claim that there's nothing but just brief mentions and game reports is absolutely false. Nfitz ( talk) 05:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC) reply
User:Levivich Can you clarify why you are arguing that these 550 to 600 30-sentance articles are too short, when at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Callum McCowatt (2nd nomination) you have sinced used 200 to 300 word 10-14 sentence articles as proof of GNG? Nfitz ( talk) 15:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Sure. I said have only a few short paragraphs about the player. The Nikkan article has 175 words about the player ( Google translate):

Moriho's second son, Ryo Sato (25), who played in the Philippines First Division League JPV Marikina FC last season ... Played overseas after graduation from the university, with the father's teaching of "Enjoying anything" ... currently participating in a practice in a German club. ... Born in Hiroshima, soccer was close. "I think I like the best football among my (3) brothers." In high school, he belongs to Hiroshima Youth, and has been an official game since 1 year at a high-traffic distribution college. He demonstrated aggressive ability with a high degree of kick accuracy and agility. I aimed to be in the J club, but damaged the ligament of the left ankle in the 3-year All Japan University Championship Final. For about six months, I ended my college life without feeling well as I left the battle, and my dream on graduation was broken. ... began his career as a soccer player in Australia ... 17 goals in the first year and 9 goals in the second year. Despite blossoming scoring, he left Australia for visa reasons.

The Hochi News article has 135 words about the player ( Google translate):

JPV Marikina FC midfielder Satoru Satoru (24) has been playing since this season in the Philippines League ... Joined Edgeworth Eagles of Australia in January this year ... Active as a team heart, recording 11 points and 9 assists while voluntarily ... Moriho was born on September 22, 1993 as the second son of Japanese representative Morihoichi (50). Graduated from Hiroshima Youth to Distribution Economics University. As a side and aggressive midfielder, he entered the All Nippon University selection at the time of three years. After graduating, he worked for two years at Edgeworth Eagles, a semi-pro club in Australia ... After practice, Moriho has ambitions such as training to stay in the middle of the trunk, but Filipino players will soon return home, and it is a reality that they are less conscious of working on the practice.

The rest is about the team, the league, and his father, or is a quote from the player, usually about his father, or something like "I will try my best to be able to win in the cup game" and "I enjoy soccer". Compare that with the sources for Callum McCowatt like [3] (700 words) and [4] (600 words). Those aren't really the most in-depth articles I've ever seen, but there are like half a dozen articles about McCowatt, each 500 words or more with independent journalistic reporting (e.g., statements of fact in the publication's own voice, quotes from other people about the player), which made me !vote keep. Because we don't have that here for Moriyasu, I !voted delete. – Leviv ich 18:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC) reply
You explicitly said that [5] and [6] met GNG, despite being 200 to 300 word 10-14 sentence articles. They are less detailed than the Japanese sources you reject here. Don't point to other sources ... I'm asking about these. Why are those two English sources good, when the Japanese ones aren't? Nfitz ( talk) 00:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply
That’s not accurate–I posted six sources for McCowatt, not two–and this page is for discussing Moriyasu’s notability, not McCowatt’s (and it’s not for discussing Levivich’s AfD !votes, either). – Leviv ich 14:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply
You explicitly stated that those two sources were good for GNG. Even the other 4 are no longer than these, which are entirely about Moriyasu, despite your attempt to spin it otherwise. Moriyasu’s notability has been clearly established. Nfitz ( talk) 15:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply
I never said in the McCowatt AfD that those two sources, alone, meet GNG; I said that six sources, together, suggest GNG is met. You're arguing that the two worst sources I put forward for McCowatt are about the same as the two best sources you put forward for this AfD–I agree and that's why I !voted keep over there and delete over here. If you have any other questions about my !votes, please use my user talk page. – Leviv ich 15:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply
I completely disagree with you. In particular your assertion that the paragraphs in these two paragraphs are too short. They are 5-6 sentence paragaphs, with 600 or so words in 30 or so sentences! That's no worse than the best source at McCowatt - let alone the worst source over there. These are both excellent GNG sources! You are inventing policy! Nfitz ( talk) 16:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply
I'm saying the Nikkan article has 175 words about the player, and the Hochi News article has 135, and I cut-and-pasted those words above (about half of which are quotes from the subject and thus shouldn't really count as "independent")... if you're saying there's more than that, consider cut-and-pasting the additional words here. – Leviv ich 16:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply
I think you are wrong in your count, and are dismissing the bulk of the article, which is also about the player. in my opinion GNG is met with this SIGCOV. Nfitz ( talk) 19:04, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep not only does it pass WP:NFOOTBALL but if you search Japanese news sources, it meets WP:GNG with this and this - which shouldn't be surprising when you look at who his father is! I've added sources to article. Nfitz ( talk) 18:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep – Not sure if I'm allowed a vote as creator of the page, but Moriyasu clearly passes WP:NFOOTBALL as he appeared in the 2018 Philippines Football League, a professional league as of WP:FOOTY. I have added a handful of sources which I deem sufficient enough to assure that this article passes WP:NFOOTBALL. Can someone please explain exactly how this article fails to show Moriyasu has played football at a professional level? Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 20:18, 13 July 2019 (UTC) Update: vote cast Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 05:43, 14 July 2019 (UTC) reply
    For clarity, both the Philippines Football League and the Philippine Premier League are listed as professional leagues. The PPL was due to replace the PFL in 2019, but only lasted one match day before being folded, with the country reverting back to the PFL, still a professional league. Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 20:20, 13 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Pinging the participants of the previous AfD a few weeks ago. @ Girth Summit, MA Javadi, and Chetsford: – Leviv ich 22:09, 13 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Note the claim the subject fails WP:NFOOTY is erroneous even in the previous AFD and here .Subject passes WP:NFOOTY. @ Davidlofgren1996: A creator of a page is entitled to cast one vote in an AFD just like any other editor. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 02:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I'm going to have to disagree here as it seems like the player has played in the professional league in the Philippines which does satisfy WP:NFOOTBALL and with the additions of the references might also satisfy WP:GNG. HawkAussie ( talk) 03:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep NFOOTY passed recently, arguably passes GNG. It also seems the nomination was a mistake due to the PFL/PPL confusion, which I can understand. R96Skinner ( talk) 05:26, 14 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Because the subject was a player in a professional league, I'd say this article should be kept. Cosmic Sans ( talk) 15:12, 17 July 2019 (UTC) reply
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