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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Julia Dolgorukova

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Fails WP:NOTABLE. All citations are to Russian exhibiton catalogues, or reports of exhibitions in no -notable Russian publications.. Smerus ( talk) 17:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Women, and Russia. Shellwood ( talk) 18:13, 27 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - the article appears to be heavily promotional autobiography. It was created by, heavily edited by, and images uploaded by Юлия Долгорукова which translates to the name of the artist. I'm still checking into the sourcing, however an online search revealed nothing that could substantiate the claims that shes in all those museum collections. Whenever I see an artist's article (other than perhaps an "old master" or very well known modern/contemporary artist) with a huge image gallery, it's usually a hint that it's just a promotional advertorial work, just my two cents. Will !vote when I look into sourcing more thouroughly. Netherzone ( talk) 18:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Comment tried the Latin script spelling of her name, not much of anything comes up. Might be more Russian sources, leaning delete at this point. Oaktree b ( talk) 01:14, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    @ Oaktree b, her Russian WP aritlce [1] has lots of sources, but I don't read Russian, so I can't tell if these are reliable sources or not. What we need is an editor who is fluent to help out. Netherzone ( talk) 03:34, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
If it is any help I read Russian and imo none of these sources meet WP standards of reliability (independent assessment). The fact that there are no non-Russian sources speaks for itself.-- Smerus ( talk) 07:02, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete based on the source review my Smerus. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:00, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy Keep Hello, dear sirs! I want to point out the nominator's mistakes. Firstly, there is information in English, you can read that Julia Dolgorukova is the first modern famous Russian artist who became the prototype of the main character of a feature film [2]. Secondly, there are articles about it in other languages, for example, in Finnish [3]. Thirdly, there is a catalog of the famous exhibition in English, where it is listed among the participants [4]. Fourth, the official newspaper of the Ministry of Culture of Russia "CULTURE" wrote about it in 1995 [5]. Fifth, there are official documents from museums that her paintings are in these museums, for example: [6]. Sixth, the official portal of the Ministry of Culture of Russia currently reports on her exhibitions: [7] [8]. In the Russian wikipedia, this article was nominated for deletion 11 years ago, but following the discussion it was abandoned. A leading art expert from St. Petersburg took part in the discussion. Олег Черкасский ( talk) 15:14, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    Comment - @ Smerus, if you have the time to check the accuracy my analysis of the sources presented above by @ Олег Черкасский, that would be appreciated (I used machine translation). The "feature film" reference on the "International Records Agency" website appears to be user-submitted content - there are links on the main page that state that anyone can "apply" to set a record, and even "invite a judge". [9]. This does not seem like a reliable source since anyone can apply; therefore not independent. The Finnish article is a review of a group show of three artists, which contains four sentences on Dolgoukova's work, it includes a photo of her with one of her paintings - it is independent, but is not in-depth coverage, - we would need more than that. [10] The "'famous exhibition' at 10 Gogolevsky Blvd" citation is simply a name check in a long list of participants in a group show with dozens of artists - not SIGCOV. Re: the Ministry of Culture newspaper, I can't seem to find any mention on her, but perhaps others can. [11], the "Official portal of the MoC" citations consist of two press releases, that specifically state The administration of the Kultura.RF portal is not responsible for the material provided, as well as for the actions of the Organizer and / or other persons acting on his behalf and on his behalf or on his own behalf, but on behalf of the Organizer, including in connection with the implementation tickets by such persons, as well as for the organization, holding and maintenance of the Event. which means it is a user-or-PR submitted press release. [12] [13]. I'm not sure of what to make of this: [14] whether it's a shipping receipt or a bill of sale, or? At this time I am leaning towards delete, as none of the above constitutes significant coverage in independent sources. I performed a BEFORE using three spellings of her name, Julia Dolgorukova, Юлия Долгорукова, and Yulia Dolgorukova, on Google, JSTOR, WP Library and ProQuest, and could not find the kind of coverage one would expect a "famous artist" to have. The article is extremely promotional WP:PROMO, quite possibly self-promotional and it now has CITE OVERKILL. Not sure if the awards are notable, but my guess is they are not. I'll continue to hold off on !voting for now. Netherzone ( talk) 16:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    The Finnish article №2: [15], Artikles in magazin "NEW TIMES" [16]. "...anyone can "apply" to set a record..." - Try it! This is the Russian equivalent of the Guinness World Records. "юююsimply a name check in a long list of participants..." - These are the most famous Russian nonconformist artists of 80-90. Kultura newspaper - the main newspaper about culture in Russia. An article in this newspaper is proof of the person's significance. Only state and municipal cultural institutions have the right to publish on the portal "Culture". Private individuals and PR do not have access to this portal. The articles were published by the largest state concert institution in Moscow "Mosconcert" and the Cultural Center "Uspenskoe" in the most prestigious area of the Moscow region [17] [18]. [19] This is a document of acceptance for permanent storage of a painting by Yulia Dolgorukova in the Kostroma Regional Museum of Fine Arts 18.06.1994 [20]. I have personally seen several such documents [21] [22] [23]. The painting "Red House" was bought for the museum by the administration of the city of Kostroma for 2,150.000 rubles [24]. Subsequently, this work was stolen from the museum and Julia Dolgorukova presented her painting "Still Life with a yellow pear" to this museum. Олег Черкасский ( talk) 17:34, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    Could you please explain how it is that you have access to the artist's personal web server, their financial records, news clippings, etc.?[dolgorukova.h1n.ru] You are obviously connected to the artist in a significant way, please disclose the connection. Thank you in advance, Netherzone ( talk) 19:29, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    The connection is very simple: I have been living in Moscow since 1987. Since that time I have been visiting exhibitions of contemporary artists. Julia Dolgorukova is the brightest artist, I began to follow her work. I was in New York in 1994 and some expat artists knew about it. For example, Ernst Neizvestny was friends with her father. I also personally knew Eduard Drobitsky, Boris Bich and many artists of this circle. The article about Julia Dolgorukova is my first experience on wikipedia, so I studied the person very carefully. And, since I work in the IT field, it is not difficult for me to find information. Now I have created a program that calculates the investment attractiveness of paintings by contemporary artists. That's why I chose several artists, including Julia, to test my program. She lives in Turkey, and I also know that her father is Estonian and her mother is Latvian. But I can't write this in the article, because it's not written anywhere on the Internet. And I would be very interested to learn about contemporary artists who have become prototypes of the main characters of films. Maybe there are a lot of them? Олег Черкасский ( talk) 20:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    It is clear that you are connected to the artist. You have access to her financial records, photographic documentation, have access to her web-server dolgorukova.h1n.ru and have created a program to calculate the investment attractiveness of her paintings it appears that you have a conflict of interest WP:COI, and should stop editing the article directly and instead use the edit request feature, and follow the instructions for declaration described in the COI link provided. You should also carefully read WP:UPE as it seems that you have a financial stake in her career. Thank you. Netherzone ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Kultura newspaper - the main newspaper about culture in Russia. An article in this newspaper is proof of the person's significance. 1995! Олег Черкасский ( talk) 15:29, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Comment There are only two other famous contemporary artists in the world who have become prototypes of the main characters of feature films: these are Gerhard Richter and Margaret Keane. Олег Черкасский ( talk) 15:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - per WP:PROMO, article is unambigous promotion; advertorial content. Should notability be established, the article should be WP:TNT'd. Netherzone ( talk) 22:15, 28 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    Note: Article creator has been blocked for undisclosed paid editing. Netherzone ( talk) 02:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    leaning delete then, paid promotion is a no-no here. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    cf by the way Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aida Hanemayer (Lisenkova) (2nd nomination), also created by same editor, and restored by that editor without discussion after a deletion an at previous AfD discussion.-- Smerus ( talk) 19:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete WP:PROMO I don't read Russian, but have reviewed the comments above and tried to find RS on the internet, which I could not find. Loooking at the author's contribution history it does look like this is a violation of COI. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 01:14, 30 August 2022 (UTC) reply
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