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He has not played a professional senior game at club or international level. Article fails
WP:NFOOTBALL. Also fails
WP:GNG.
Simione001 (
talk) 06:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep My initial thoughts are that he passes
WP:GNG. There are two fairly in-depth sources quoted in the article, namely
[1] and
[2]. There is more coverage of him at
[3] and
[4], but admittedly those two are from the Liverpool FC and FFA websites, so whether they are truly independent of the subject is perhaps questionable. Finally there are other reports available, such as
[5] and
[6].
AtHomeIn神戸 (
talk) 00:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep I think the sources found by
AtHomeIn神戸 show
WP:GNG is met even when ignoring the Liverpool and FFA articles.
RonSigPi (
talk) 23:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep I assumed the creation of this page would be valid as a similar page has been created for
Panos Armenakas. I was unaware of the rule regarding how high status a player must get to have a page created, yet Armenakas' page directly correlates in that status to Brimmer's. (Both have only played youth/international youth) Thank you.
Theman0799 (
talk) 01:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment - The difference here is that while Armenkas has had enough coverage to meet
WP:GNG, Brimmer has not. —
Jkudlicktcs 19:28, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Spiderone 11:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - Definitely fails
WP:NFOOTY and I don't really agree that there is enough reliable third-party coverage to pass
WP:GNG. Getting a 'wonderkid' article in a regional newspaper is hardly rare and I don't see a reason why we can't just wait until he makes a professional appearance before creating an article. Also the Armenakas argument is a violation of
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTSSpiderone 11:45, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - Having articles written about the subject in publications on other continents as pointed out by
Fenix down meets the requirements laid out in
WP:GNG. The article does require improvement. —
Jkudlicktcs 20:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - meets (barely)
WP:GNG with regional coverage referenced above. But wait, there's more, that's not regional
[7] and
[8].
Nfitz (
talk) 21:56, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - Clearly fails
WP:NSPORT, having not yet made his debut, and the coverage he has received is run-of-the-mill sports journalism insufficient for
WP:GNG to be met.
Sir Sputnik (
talk) 00:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - The coverage that exists for Brimmer is similar, but seemingly not as much as Armenakas. I'm sure if given a few weeks, enough information could be sourced to make this article quite lengthy, but it does seem that arguing for a keep is probably a losing battle. -
J man708 (
talk) 04:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Edit - The more I look and read up, the more information is available from significant sources to be deemed viable. The article does need some tweaking, however. -
J man708 (
talk) 10:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep – There is fairly considerable coverage of this player (a lot of it specifically about Brimmer and enough to reference a complete article) so passes
WP:GNG.
Macosal (
talk) 11:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete. Indisputably fails
WP:NFOOTBALL, don't think he gets past the
WP:GNG either – one article in a trade publication and one article in a regional newspaper doesn't do it for me. I think Sir Sputnik's assessment of the coverage as "run-of-the-mill sports journalism" is pretty much spot on. IgnorantArmies(talk) 11:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment - There are many more than the 2 currently-used sources out there. I'll try to add a bunch more in when I get a chance but a quick Google reveals a fairly significant number of articles written about him across various media.
Macosal (
talk) 12:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment I am a bit surprised by some of the comments above characterising the sources as "regional newspapers". Link [5] in my original entry above is from
the highest-circulating daily newspaper in Australia and [6] is from
The Australian, the biggest national newspaper in the country. Unless of course Australia as a whole is merely "regional" these days.
AtHomeIn神戸 (
talk) 00:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - Fails
WP:NFOOTY, but there is plenty out there to satisfy GNG. Sure there is a lot returned by google about a couple of free kicks he scored, but there are also these amongst others:
There is a lot of "look at this wonderkid"-guff and reports of his free kicks, but there is also plenty of coverage from a local, regional, national and international perspective that goes beyond transfer talk and provides in depth commentary on and interviews with the player.
Fenix down (
talk) 11:59, 26 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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