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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh ( talk) 18:20, 13 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Islanders–Penguins rivalry

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Does not pass GNG. On a WP:BEFORE search, there are no mentions of a current rivalry or mention of one from the past, which negates notability. I would recommend this be deleted or redirected to Pittsburgh Penguins–New York Islanders brawl. Conyo14 ( talk) 17:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Pennsylvania, New York, and Ice hockey. Conyo14 ( talk) 17:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Not a well-known rivalry, such as the NYI-NYR or NYI-PHI rivalries. I don't see the need to redirect as Conyo14 suggested, either. PK T(alk) 20:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete: This subject fails WP:GNG due to a lack of independent, secondary coverage. User:Let'srun 02:02, 7 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nomination. A quick search on the internet does not give any significant results. – sbaio 06:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete there are no substantial results available for this topic. In cases like this, it's important to acknowledge the scarcity of information on the subject.-- Correspondentman ( talk) 08:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete. I fail to find any independent third party sources which confirm that such a rivalry has persisted over decades. Without such sources, this seems like WP:FANCRUFT to me. Flibirigit ( talk) 12:19, 7 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete - Flyers/Penguins & Rangers/Islanders, it's not. GoodDay ( talk) 16:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep - Rivalries are made in the playoffs, and the Islanders and Penguins have had several such tumultuous episodes over nearly every decade they have existed. The regular season brawl in 2011 was a natural progression of this rivalry and was already considered notable enough to get its own article. I could even argue that the Isles-Penguins rivalry, on average over the course of their entire respective histories, is a more relevant one than even Isles-Flyers, which apart from one series in 2020 has cooled off so much over the past 3 decades to the point where I'm not even sure it's a rivalry anymore. I will work to provide more sources for this article, but this article was made to mirror several other rivalry articles in terms of attribution and general article construction, so if this article is a candidate for deletion, then there are likely at least 10 other rivalry pages that should be considered for deletion as well. If deletion is the route you choose to take, then it should be done in tandem with all those other pages. StaticAnnouncement ( talk) 18:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC) reply

  So first off WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Also The Isles–Flyers rivalry was questioned at first, but there were enough newspaper clippings and notability from the 70s and early 80s to justify the article's existence. Feel free to add others to the AfD train. Conyo14 ( talk) 19:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC) reply

  We don't create faux "rivalry" articles just because there are articles on certainly highly notable sports rivalries (heck, there are books about Red Sox-Yankees, or Celtics-Lakers, or Celtic-Rangers). If you believe there are other "rivalry" pages that don't pass notability muster, feel free to nominate them for deletion as well. Ravenswing 23:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC) reply

  It is disingenuous to compare NYI-Pit to NYI-Phi. The Islanders and Flyers have been division rivals pretty much the entirety of the Islanders existence (maybe the entirety but I didn't check), including years when both teams had legitimate Stanley Cup aspirations. That is not the case for the Islanders and Penguins. The Islanders and Flyers played in a Stanley Cup final against each other - one that was momentous for both teams (Islanders first of a dynasty, finally getting over the hump, Flyers not winning it all despite a record setting season). The Islanders and Penguins never played a series that important. Plus the proximity of New York and Philly (perhaps combined with some rubbing off of the animosity between the Rangers and Flyers) mean that the New York press (and maybe Philly too) pays particular attention to matchups between teams in the two cities. A key phrase in your post is "I'm not even sure it's a rivalry anymore (emphasis added)." Notability is not temporary. If you are interested in the Islanders-Penguins rivalry, to the extent there is one, you may want to try writing an article about the 1975 playoff matchup, which did get a lot of attention back when it was the only 3-0 comeback and you may be able to find enough sources to warrant an article about it. Rlendog ( talk) 20:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC) reply

• Delete: The article creator hasn't presented so much as a sliver of evidence that this purported "rivalry" has engendered the "significant coverage" to the subject that WP:SIGCOV requires. The bar for sports rivalries is very high; this does not meet it. I also oppose a redirect; I just don't think this is a likely search term. Ravenswing 23:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.