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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 14:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC) reply

Iron man (sports streak)

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An WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of people who are in some way "iron men", and a diatribe of prose about various people who did the thing for a long time. Article seems to suggest that McGinnity was the first person to be given such a moniker, but the sources don't suggest that.

Seems like a thing more suitable to being used at the already existing Iron Man, where's there is scope for a WP:CONCEPTDAB. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 13:07, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Sports. Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 13:07, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply
• Strong keep - as an encyclopedic concept, this easily passes GNG with in-depth coverage that exists on the web. Nominator (and other editors discussing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports#The mess at Cinderella (sports)) appears mostly to have an issue with the table at the bottom of the article, and to that I repeat what Bagumba said in that discussion, AfD is not cleanup. Demonstration of GNG pass: ESPN The Hockey News mlb.com as well as numerous mentions in articles detailing specific athletes/leagues: Frontstretch CBC.ca etc. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  14:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply

  But these just refer to long-held records. Just because a term is used frequently, it doesn't make the concept itself notable. It has no real place of being different from, say winning streak, or losing streak (which, should probably be merged). It's just a streak set about by someone doing the thing consistently. How is this distinct from the idea of "Iron Man" that would cover the start of the DAB page? Lee Vilenski ^{( talk • contribs)} 15:10, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply

  Firstly, I disagree that "there is scope for a WP:CONCEPTDAB." at either Iron Man, which is an article about a fictional character (and you have referred to with this capitalization multiple times now), or Ironman, which is a DAB which contains numerous entries including the aforementioned character and Iron Man (song), neither of which have anything to do with the sports concept. What is covering the start of the DAB frankly, shouldn't be there as "Ironman" has WP:NOPRIMARY and the list of people should be moved to a relevant section in that DAB page or removed entirely, since the link to this article exists in that DAB, too. Even within the Sports section, Iron man match and Ironman triathlon are entirely different concepts from this one.

  Secondly, the concept is based heavily on "the thing", which is holding a record for most consecutive starts. It is not merely a simple winning or losing streak. MLB.com (which would need attribution in wiki-voice for this specific claim since it is talking about an MLB record) says that Ripkin's record "feels like one of the sport’s most unbreakable records", while Frontstretch says that Jeff Gordon's "won’t be on thin ice for a long, long time." after Kevin Harvick retires following this season.

  The prose needs serious WP:TNT, and the table could use some trimming to address your issue with WP:INDISCRIMINATE (I cannot find anything describing Lewis Hamilton's record in my searches so far, for example). But I disagree entirely with your assertions here. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply

• Keep Subject is notable, regardless of the current quality of the article. –  Muboshgu ( talk) 15:05, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep per Ghost of Dan Gurney. Walt Yoder ( talk) 17:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep it's a widely used term, Ghost of Dan Gurney said it well. » Bray _talk 19:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep A widely used term that passes WP:GNG as there are several significant sources that discuss both individual and lists of Iron men in sports. Some examples: The Iron Man Club: Top Consecutive Games Played Streaks in Sports (SportsCasting), Beyond the Streak: The Iron Men of Sports (Medium), Phil Kessel joins Ripken, Favre and other ironman athletes (ESPN), Nets’ Mikal Bridges is more than NBA’s Iron Man; he’s determined: ‘I just want to play every game’ (The Athletic), A Salute to the NFL Ironmen of the Decade (Sports Illustrated), PBA: LA Tenorio’s ‘Iron Man’ streak ends at 744 games (Philippines Daily Inquirer), Phil Kessel ties NHL's 'Iron Man' record with 989 straight games (CBS News). Alvaldi ( talk) 09:35, 15 April 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep As the creator of the article, I'll defer to others judgement on the matter, but the idea regarding creating the article in the first place is that the concept of a sports "iron man" is widely regarded in many major sports and is notable in those circles, and commented on and newsworthy, which is significant and is of interest to many in the sports world, and written about quite a bit. Stylteralmaldo ( talk) 12:40, 18 April 2023 (UTC) reply

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