- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Many of the arguments for keeping seem extremely weak, forcing me to discount them. GNG issues prevail. – Juliancolton | Talk 03:12, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Hólmbert Aron Friðjónsson
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Contested PROD by author with no rationale given. Article's subject fails WP:GNG as he hasn't received significant media coverage nor does he pass WP:FOOTY as he hasn't played for a club in fully professional league or represented his country at senior international level. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete - per nom. He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage in reliable sources, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 18:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 21:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - absolutely senseless nomination - the signing of this player by one of the top european football clubs as a first team player has been reported in every national Scottish and British news and sports program today - see for example BBC Sport, The Scotsman, The Daily Record, Sky Sports, Scottish TV, Independent in Ireland, The Telegraph, Herald Scotland, The Daily Express -- nonsense ferret 23:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- All those sources you've listed all refer to his transfer which is considered no more than routine coverage. The article is suppose to be biographical but the only meaningful coverage he has had is about his transfer which can't be the sole basis for an article. WP:GNG states: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a passing mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material". The main topic of those sources you've provided is the transfer itself not Mr. Friðjónsson, that's why article is so lacking in content. ★☆
DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 00:35, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- literally thousands of football fans will be asking who is this new striker that has signed for celtic, not to recognise there is a wide interest in the details of his career so far and have an article about him when all the newspapers are reporting it is really silly IMHO. --
nonsense
ferret 00:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC) Look at the number of page views too today? --
nonsense
ferret 00:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes it maybe
highly searched but Wikipedia
isn't a newspaper it is an encyclopedia, not for the purpose of pleasing football fans of which I am one. ★☆
DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
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WP:BLP1E - "young player signs for big club" - we see literally hundreds of these articles every bloody year and they always get deleted.
Giant
Snowman 13:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- This isn't one of those situations of a single byeline in a couple of newspapers which I agree is the norm for young players in big clubs. In this situation all the major national TV channels led with this story in their flagship news. The player will be playing first team football in January and the case then for recreating this article will be unarguable. In the meantime we have an unusual amount of high profile coverage for a player in this situation, which is a lot more than other first team players in lesser teams in the same league will have received who nonetheless have automatic qualification due to NFOOTY with hardly any coverage. Time for a common sense solution recognising the unusual media frenzy that attracts any player signing for the first team of an absolutely massive club, pointless to delete now and have to recreate this in four weeks while in the meantime it is attracting a lot of hits. --
nonsense
ferret 13:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC) The player should sit on this list as number 19,
Celtic_F.C.#First_team_squad - not to have a page for the player seems silly looking at the list. --
nonsense
ferret 14:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia
is not a crystal ball his debut for Celtic is not certain to take place nor can we keep an article for aesthetic reasons which is what the latter part of your latest reply suggests. If this debate is closed as delete you can have article
userified and you can re-add it to the mainspace if & when he makes his debut. ★☆
DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Per CBALL I would say that looking at the comments made by the manager this player at the very least managing a few minutes of time in the team in the very near future is "almost certain" within the terms of CBALL - really who would bet against it? My point is not an aesthetic one, it is that if you are signed clearly and demonstrably with the intention to be used as a first team player for a club like that, due to the interest from the media, the unusual weight and depth of coverage pushes it beyond the classic 'young player signs for the youth team of a big club' situation - bit of WP:COMMONSENSE is called for I reckons. -- nonsense ferret 19:00, 21 November 2013 (UTC) There are precedents of previous deletion discussions in somewhat similar circumstances - Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Fraser_Aird_(2nd_nomination) - the situation may not be as clear cut as is being suggested. -- nonsense ferret 19:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia
is not a crystal ball his debut for Celtic is not certain to take place nor can we keep an article for aesthetic reasons which is what the latter part of your latest reply suggests. If this debate is closed as delete you can have article
userified and you can re-add it to the mainspace if & when he makes his debut. ★☆
DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- This isn't one of those situations of a single byeline in a couple of newspapers which I agree is the norm for young players in big clubs. In this situation all the major national TV channels led with this story in their flagship news. The player will be playing first team football in January and the case then for recreating this article will be unarguable. In the meantime we have an unusual amount of high profile coverage for a player in this situation, which is a lot more than other first team players in lesser teams in the same league will have received who nonetheless have automatic qualification due to NFOOTY with hardly any coverage. Time for a common sense solution recognising the unusual media frenzy that attracts any player signing for the first team of an absolutely massive club, pointless to delete now and have to recreate this in four weeks while in the meantime it is attracting a lot of hits. --
nonsense
ferret 13:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC) The player should sit on this list as number 19,
Celtic_F.C.#First_team_squad - not to have a page for the player seems silly looking at the list. --
nonsense
ferret 14:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
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WP:BLP1E - "young player signs for big club" - we see literally hundreds of these articles every bloody year and they always get deleted.
Giant
Snowman 13:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes it maybe
highly searched but Wikipedia
isn't a newspaper it is an encyclopedia, not for the purpose of pleasing football fans of which I am one. ★☆
DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- literally thousands of football fans will be asking who is this new striker that has signed for celtic, not to recognise there is a wide interest in the details of his career so far and have an article about him when all the newspapers are reporting it is really silly IMHO. --
nonsense
ferret 00:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC) Look at the number of page views too today? --
nonsense
ferret 00:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- All those sources you've listed all refer to his transfer which is considered no more than routine coverage. The article is suppose to be biographical but the only meaningful coverage he has had is about his transfer which can't be the sole basis for an article. WP:GNG states: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a passing mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material". The main topic of those sources you've provided is the transfer itself not Mr. Friðjónsson, that's why article is so lacking in content. ★☆
DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 00:35, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete - clear case of WP:TOOSOON. Article can be resurrected if / when he plays for Celtic. There is long standing consensus at WP:FOOTY that "Player will almost certainly play in WP:FPL soon" is not valid. Fenix down ( talk) 21:50, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete - The sources if talking about multiple events would likely meet WP:GNG, but at the moment they fail WP:BLP1E as only about one event. This Alongside failing WP:NFOOTBALL having not played in a WP:FPL its currently a no go. Suggest converting to a user page draft and recreating once he meets the these criteria's. Blethering Scot 22:11, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - inane nomination given the widespread coverage and more evidence that NFOOTBALL is not fit for purpose. Clavdia chauchat ( talk) 22:16, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - Except that all the coverage is about a single transfer of the player from one club to another, therefore WP:BLP1E as has been noted several times above. Until he actually starts playing he doesn't pass NFOOTY, and even then there may well be questions around GNG if he only ends up playing a handful of game. Fenix down ( talk) 11:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - I don't want to waste too much more time on this as we all know Hólmbert will get deleted only to 'Newco' in a few weeks anyway. But what about all the stuff in the national media in his home country about joining Fram, scoring matchwinning goals (and hattricks) in his national Premier League, scoring goals in national cup finals, going on trial to a Dutch club and said Dutch club trying to buy him? Is this worth less than Scottish 'national' media (mostly local editions of English publications)? Clavdia chauchat ( talk) 18:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - Seems like nonsense to me anyway. Why not be sensible and give it a few weeks to see if he is going to make the team, it sounds like he probably is given the sounds from the manager. I don't see the point in hacking off contributors to the wiki. I think in cases like this ppl should remember Wikipedia:SPIRIT DavidDublin ( talk) 17:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - He has just been signed by one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Why on Earth would the article be deleted? It's ridiculous that it's even being suggested. He's previously played in Iceland's top divsion. Do you have to play in a particular league to have a Wikipedia entry? Jesus.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.99.85 ( talk) 21:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
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