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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) MrClog ( talk) 13:14, 8 April 2020 (UTC) reply

Gérard Mussies

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This appears to fail WP:NACADEMIC - the sources consist primarily of namechecks, sometimes literally just that. SCOPUS lists an h-index of 2, Google Scholar has no h-index. I cannot find any sources directly about the subject (per WP:GNG). Deleted A7 in January and tagged again as A7 in February but declined as also tagged G4 (which does not apply to prior speedy); it's unclear the claim of A7 was investiugated then. There's only one substantive editor of both the deleted and the current versions and most of the article consists of primary-sourced expositions of the subject's views. Guy ( help!) 12:30, 31 March 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 12:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 15:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 15:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment The subject doesn't have a Google Scholar profile, so it doesn't calculate an h-index for him, but this is a little misleading. From a casual perusal, it looks like his h-index is at least 10. His Koine Greek book has 86 GS citations. It may be that some of these are not showing up in Scopus because of their age. It's on the light side for WP:NPROF, but plausible. A WP:NAUTHOR case also looks possible, though finding reviews of works this old can be difficult (I didn't immediately succeed). I share some of your concerns about the current state of the article, and note that the main contributing editor seems to be pushing a POV. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 15:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC) reply
• Comment -- The subject appears to have been active 1971-2001. The Internet was in its infancy in that time. Furthermore, citation indices developed for science often do not pick up arts subjects, because they do not capture data from the relevant journals. This is likely to be particularly severe for theology. So not judge the past by to9day's standards. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep. The citations look reasonably solid, and this gives a marginal case for WP:NPROF. I didn't find reviews (probably because of the age of them), but some of his books are widely held according to WorldCat. The combination of the two looks like a reasonable keep case. I also considered a delete argument per WP:TNT, but I removed the primary-sourced bulk of the article, and what was left still seems to me a reasonable stub. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 12:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete a non-notable academic. The lewvel of citations is not enough to meet academic notability criteria. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep. In theology and church history, people do not have the same citation count as in fields like biology, because the fdensity of publication in the field is so much lower--there are many fewer than 1%as many journals and papers, and correspondingly few opportunities for even the most notable peson to be cited. Any book with as many as 86 citations in these fields is quite a bit beyond the usual, and sufficient for notability DGG ( talk ) 04:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep: G. Mussies is notable due following reasons
  • He has been highly influential (i. e. to Bart D. Ehrman, Stanley E. Porter, Andrew Pitts, Frank E. Shaw, David Edward Aune, Bernhard Lang, emeritus professor Pieter Willem van der Horst, Joseph Alexander Smith, David Elton Graves, Eve-Marie Becker, Gregory S. Paulson, professor David Mathewson, professor Judith Kovacs, professor Christopher Rowland (theologian), J. T. Pennington, R. M. Royalty, S. Bøe, E. S. Fiorenza, G. Cambiano, L. Canfora, D. Lanza, J. Frösén, J. Hernández, C. H. Giblin, New Testament Studies, P. A. Rainbow, S. K. Tonstad, J. Moo, Novum Testamentum, I. Kaufmann, J. Barton, A. Gerdmar, professor A. H. M. Kessels, Vigiliae christianae, K. Bentein, J. M. Watt, A. Hilhorst, W. A. Smith, S. Grabiner, J. A. Du Rand, Neotestamentica, D. Mathewson, J. López, C. J. Rotz, M. Streett, U. Sim, WVT Wissenschaftlicher Verlag Trier, M. Silva, New Testament studies, M. Janse, Glotta, F Plank, Lingue e linguaggio, J. Paulien, M. A. Novak, Vigiliae Christianae, A. S. Bandy, R. J. Decker, J. Dochhorn, professor P. G. R. De Villiers, Acta Patristica et Byzantina, J. Puthussery, R. E. Winkle, A. C. Russo, professor P. R. Trebilco, K. Bentein, J Joosten, Analecta Bruxellensia, M. Karrer, Journal of Early Christian History, M. G. Michael, W. S. Vorster, J. E. Botha, W. S. Vorster, A. E. Stewart, S. C. Grabiner, P. Malik, R. Mach, S. Santafé Soler, B. M. Fanning, A. Hoeck, N. Birdsall, The Classical Review, S. U. Dixon, E. F. d'Arcier, P. Kretschmer, W. Kroll, S. S. Soler, S. N. Gundry, C. M. Pate, L. G. Ureña, Gregorianum, M. A. Haukaas, I. M. Meira Junior, L. F. Moț, V. Shore, J. C. Poirier, P. J. Sijpesteijn, Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik, K. Bentein, Journal of Greek Linguistics, L. DiTommaso, M. A. Dudreck, J. R. Dickson, S. K. Tonstad, S. E. Runge, P. I. Frank, J. E. Raddatz, R. Mathiesen, T. Brookins, Journal of Biblical Literature, J. Meares, R. M. Lozano, M. Jagiełło, Classica Cracoviensia, A. Vrhovnik, HTS Teologiese Studies, P. J. Tomson, L. I. Levine, Y. L. Leṿin, M. P. Fernández, L. G. Perdue, A. Mendelson, R. Hvalvik, K. E. Corley, H. A. Green, R. Hachlili, Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental, H. Gzella, S. Cappelletti, L. H. Feldman, Hebrew Union College Annual, N. Belayche, M. F. Bird, G. K. Giannakis, V. Bubeník, E. Crespo, C. Golston, A. M. Gale, C. R. Holladay, C. Perrot, S. Freyne, A. Gerdmar, professor B. Z. Rosenfeld, Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient, H. Debel, Journal for the Study of Judaism, H. D. Betz, Studia theologica, Bulletin for Biblical Research, R. T. Macfarlane, Brigham Young University Studies, P. Grelot, Revue Biblique, R. M. Victor, T. J. Bauer, H. Jason, Asian folklore studies, R. Laham Cohen, L. H. Schiffman, S. Tzoref, W. S. Vorster, J. E. Botha, E. Liebowitz, B. P. Kantor, professor M. Mancini, S. D. Charlesworth, Journal for the Study of the New Testament, D. McClister, M. O. Wise, E Bons, Journal for the Study of Judaism, M. Vierros, Ty. Neil, J. M. McKay Jr, L. Deiss, N. C. Croy, W. B. Russell, L. H. KANT, A. Pitts, R. Hausoul, B. Braasch, А. В. Вдовиченко, professor G. Fowden, E. S. Gruen, Okasha El Daly, P. Kingsley, professor Yossi Shavit, P. Wendland, K, H, Lindbeck, A Mastrocinque, G. Aijmer, M. Stadler, Antike Welt, professor L. Baynes, H. R. Broderick, S. Inowlocki, Revue de philosophie ancienne, D. Barbu, professor R. Heckl, Zeitschrift für Altorientalische und Biblische Rechtsgeschichte, K. Mesler, G Bąkowska-Czerner, The Polish Journal of the Arts and Culture, J. F. Quack, The Dynamics of Transculturality, Am Ursprung der jüdischen Hermeneutik des Pentateuchs, professor E. M. Becker, C. Pisano, J. T. Westerfeld, M. Mulsow, professor Å Boholm, F. V. Reiterer, B. Ego, T. Nicklas, G. T. Johnston, P. Borgeaud, H. M. Cotton, The Journal of Roman Studies, G. F. Snyder S. Fine, L. V. Rutgers. Jewish Studies Quarterly, R. Bauckham, The Journal of Theological Studies, C. C. Caragounis, K. B. Stern, J. S. McLaren, S. Honigman, M. Williams, H. Niquet, Scripta classica israelica, J. K. Aitken, J. C. Paget, M. Marciak, S. Kreuzer, M. Sigismund, W. Kraus, S. Zsuzsanna, R. S. Kraemer, I. Moga, Historia antiqua, J. N. Ford, M. Morgenstern, É. Parmentier, B. W. Winter, J. A. Darr, C. Forbes,).
  • This time I will refer to Google Scholar, in which the first 5 pages present 849 citations, without entering the documents that present more than one version.
  • Mussies is very known in New Testamentary studies, koine Greek, Hebrew Gospel Hyphotesis, Biblical Studies, Exegesis, etc.
  • Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Specific criteria notes is fulfilled 1, 4 and 7.
  • Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals is fulfilled 1 and 2.
  • Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Basic_criteria is fulfilled.-- Jairon Levid Abimael Caál Orozco ( talk) 10:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep despite JLACO's ineffective and TLDR defense above. I found enough reviews on JSTOR alone to convince me of a pass of WP:AUTHOR – Dio Chrysostom: [1], [2]; Morphology of Koine: [3], [4], [5]; Der lateinische Text: [6], [7], [8]; Studies in Egyptian Religion: [9]. — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC) reply

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