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The result was keep. In light of sources added and brought up here. LizRead!Talk! 03:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)reply
WP:BLP of a diplomat and civil servant, not
properly referenced as passing notability criteria. As always, neither diplomats nor civil servants are "inherently" notable just because they exist -- for both roles, notability hinges on showing a
WP:GNG-worthy volume of reliable source coverage about their work in media and/or books, to demonstrate that their work has made them the subject of significant third-party attention to establish its significance. But the referencing here is entirely to content
self-published by his own employers and other directly affiliated organizations, with not a shred of GNG-worthy media coverage shown at all.
Bearcat (
talk) 14:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep - the subject was until recently Turkey's Deputy Foreign Minister and EU ambassador. There are hundreds of news articles referencing him to represent Turkey's official view on various geopolitical issues.
Here is a biographical overview from the
College of Europe. Should easily meet
WP:NPOL in my opinion. -
Indefensible (
talk) 17:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 21:38, 29 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep - I have cited more sources to the subject albeit some are written in Turkish. And would as well ask admins to consider which diplomatic portfolios should be considered on the
WP:NPOL. A deputy foreign minister should easily pass. My 2cents and kind regards.
Wikipractitioner (
talk) 15:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC)reply
There's a complexity here because "foreign minister" is used differently across different countries. In parliamentary systems a "Minister" or "Deputy Minister" is a member of a national/state parliament (so automatically satisfying NPOL); in presidential systems the equivalent is an appointed position. In both cases, Ministers would normally be members of cabinet, membership of which would satisfy NPOL. However, there are some countries where not all ministries are cabinet level and certainly deputy ministers do not automatically hold cabinet-level positions. In the case of Turkey, the Foreign Minister is a Presidential appointment and there are at present four deputy foreign ministers. Three of the deputy foreign ministers are career foreign service professionals (ie civil servants) and one appears to be an AKP apparatchik. Given this, I would not consider a Turkish deputy foreign minister presumptively notable under NPOL. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk) 01:07, 2 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep - He is notable enough due to his role as ambassador of Turkey.
Egeymi (
talk) 18:32, 2 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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