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The result was keep. Some participants suggested the notability was marginal, but the overall conclusion is there is enough coverage to write an article on this subject. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Evandro Rachoni De Lima
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The subject fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he has not made an appearance in a fully professional league. There is not any indication that WP:GNG is met. Mattythewhite ( talk) 18:52, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
FA Cup is a tier one competition, and there is literally hundreds of articles on the subject online so i'm not sure how wp:gng is not met — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnTombs48 ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Besides he has played in the German 4th division which is ALSO a fully proffesional league, you have no grounds for deletion here. Here are bbc, itv and 442 articles on the player aswell. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30796787 http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/meet-keeper-looking-luck-ninth-tier-after-leaving-war-torn-ukraine http://www.itv.com/news/2015-01-13/crawley-sign-brazilian-keeper-evandro-rachoni-de-limaon-who-fled-ukraine/ And british eurosport just for luck http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/evandro-rachoni-de-lima_prs416424/person.shtml
Even if he doesn't earn a football article he deserves one of some sort surely JohnTombs48 ( talk) 20:07, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep for all the above reasons seeing as no one is voting
- Comment The fourth tier of the German league pyramid, otherwise known as the Regionalliga is not fully professional per WP:FPL. LTFC 95 ( talk) 22:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The subject is famous more for his off-pitch activities, i.e Being a footballer who escaped a war torn country to play in England, He is therefor notable for this reason, similar to Alessandro_Zarrelli, who also in theory breaks WP:FPL
Eckyy660 ( talk) 15:00, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - I had been working on a draft for a number of months, which I have now merged with this article. On the balance of things just about squeezes through GNG with substantial articles about him in BBC and FourFourTwo. Giant Snowman 08:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Clearly fails the subject-specific guideline,
WP:NFOOTY, because he hasn't played at senior international level or for a club from a fully professional league in a senior competition. The articles on BBC, FourFourTwo, the local paper cited in the WP article, and elsewhere are all reworkings of an interview with the subject that highlighted one event: a man chose to go and work in an unstable country but when it got more unstable he didn't like it so he left. As such, 1) those pieces can't be treated as multiple intellectually independent sources, per
WP:BASIC, and 2) so what? it's good background material, but not enough to make someone notable.
All the facts in the original interviews come from the man himself, without independent corroboration. This piece on a Brazilian news site states that Rachoni was never at Arsenal Kyiv and that the Fluminense he claimed to have played for was not the well-known one but the Mineiro State League Div 2 side Fluminense de Araguari-MG. It also suggests that his economy with the truth on footballing matters casts doubt on his veracity in general. Whether true or not, it's hardly unprecedented that naive footballers get fooled into going to unsuitable places for jobs that either don't exist or exist under intolerable conditions, and no-one helps them when they want to get out. Sadly, it happens to hundreds of young Africans every year. And it's hardly unprecedented that unemployed persons talk up or whitewash their background to try and get attention and hopefully work, but he'd need to get to the standard of Alex Zarrelli mentioned above to be notable for that. I don't see a WP:GNG pass. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:39, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Struway2 ( talk) 10:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Fails NFOOTY, and I would agree with Struway that there are questions over whether he ever played for the major clubs he claims to but passes wider GNG. Significant, non-routine coverage can be found in the following sources amongst others:
- FA Cup: Ilkeston goalkeeper's journey from war in Ukraine - Lengthy national article on the player
- From war-torn Ukraine to Concord Rangers: The remarkable story of Evandro Rachoni - lengthy local news article, recycles some quotes, but also includes original copy
- Meet the keeper looking for luck in the ninth tier after leaving war-torn Ukraine - fourfourtwo article on player
- Brasileiro usa legenda de “refugiado da Ucrânia” para ser futebolista no Reino Unido - Brazilian article querying the truthfulness of his claimed career
- From sunny Sao Paolo to rainy Ilkeston - the rise of Robins’ Rachoni (part one) - first part of two part interview in local news on the player
- Fenix down ( talk) 07:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 13:51, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 13:51, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 13:53, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 05:22, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG per multiple reliable and in-depth sources found by Fenix down. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 10:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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