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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 07:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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Played 13 WP:NFOOTY games in 2008 in the second-tier USL First Division. Outside of that, he has played only in the semi-professional Canadian Soccer League. Search results return no significant coverage to meet WP:GNG, just routine game reports. Leviv ich 20:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep The article clearly passes the criteria of notability as stated in the Football/Fully professional leagues list. Shotgun pete 8:41, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. nom consulted me. Clearly fails GNG. After college tried his luck in the minor leagues - failed. There's no significant coverage here. NFOOTY merely creates a presumption of notability, but in the absence of sources it is not sufficient. This guy is from the internet age in an English speaking country - sources should be trivial to find online were he notable - they simply do not exist, and those asserting NFOOTY should pony up with a few in-depth reliable independent sources.
Icewhiz (
talk) 07:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Article passes the criteria of notability according to
WP:NFOOTBALL under the rule of Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a competitive game between two teams from fully-professional leagues, will generally be regarded as notable. See a
list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football.
Shotgun pete 3:19, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Per
Wikipedia:Notability (sports) -
"This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/ organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia. The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below.
- ergo this is only a presumption of notability, and sources demonstrating GNG must still be provided if there is a challenge - in this case the existence of such sources is challenged. Icewhiz ( talk) 15:23, 7 April 2019 (UTC)- The article provides primary sources from the official
Rochester Rhinos website a team from the
USL First Division (a league accepted by the wikipedia community as fully professional).
Shotgun pete 3:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's not a question of whether the player played in the USL First Division, it's that even though he played in the USL First Division, he is still not notable, because there is no significant coverage sufficient to meet GNG. It's a
WP:42 issue: there is nothing from which we can write an article about this player. This article stub, written in 2008 (11 years ago!), will always remain an article stub, because no RSes are writing anything about this player. Therefore, it should be deleted.
Leviv
ich 15:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's a question of if the article fulfills the criteria used to determine notability. This article passes because according to
WP:NFOOTBALL rules this player has played in a competitive game between two teams from a fully-professional league, and will generally be regarded as notable, and its supported by a primary source. Any editor who's had any involvement or experience in these particular discussions regarding association football has witnessed multiple cases of similar articles passing notability based on that rule, because the consensus within the
Football community have accepted those two primary rules used in
WP:NFOOTBALL. Therefore, it should be kept.
Shotgun pete 6:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- English speaking country. Internet age. All the newspapers are online - if its so easy - it so be trivial finding 3-4 in-depth sources establishing SIGCOV here. Sourcing for this guy simply doesn't exist.
Icewhiz (
talk) 18:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- I find your Ad hominem and impressions about me amusing. I'm assuming your ignorant about the pillars of wikipedia, or don't have much of an argument if you resort to an Ad hominem. That's fine I forgive your ignorance therefore I believe the article should be kept based on the traditional consensus reached by the Football community and the statement used in Wikipedia:Notability (sports) that: The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below. The sport specific criteria being: Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a competitive game between two teams from fully-professional leagues, will generally be regarded as notable. See a list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. Shotgun pete 7:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- English speaking country. Internet age. All the newspapers are online - if its so easy - it so be trivial finding 3-4 in-depth sources establishing SIGCOV here. Sourcing for this guy simply doesn't exist.
Icewhiz (
talk) 18:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's a question of if the article fulfills the criteria used to determine notability. This article passes because according to
WP:NFOOTBALL rules this player has played in a competitive game between two teams from a fully-professional league, and will generally be regarded as notable, and its supported by a primary source. Any editor who's had any involvement or experience in these particular discussions regarding association football has witnessed multiple cases of similar articles passing notability based on that rule, because the consensus within the
Football community have accepted those two primary rules used in
WP:NFOOTBALL. Therefore, it should be kept.
Shotgun pete 6:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's not a question of whether the player played in the USL First Division, it's that even though he played in the USL First Division, he is still not notable, because there is no significant coverage sufficient to meet GNG. It's a
WP:42 issue: there is nothing from which we can write an article about this player. This article stub, written in 2008 (11 years ago!), will always remain an article stub, because no RSes are writing anything about this player. Therefore, it should be deleted.
Leviv
ich 15:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- The article provides primary sources from the official
Rochester Rhinos website a team from the
USL First Division (a league accepted by the wikipedia community as fully professional).
Shotgun pete 3:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Per
Wikipedia:Notability (sports) -
- Article passes the criteria of notability according to
WP:NFOOTBALL under the rule of Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a competitive game between two teams from fully-professional leagues, will generally be regarded as notable. See a
list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football.
Shotgun pete 3:19, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Keep – 13 appearances means he clearly passes WP:NFOOTY. 21.colinthompson ( talk) 22:54, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL by some way; needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 07:41, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment – Just noting that the entire article is written and sourced from PR from his teams. As it stands, this article is purely promotional. We are literally advertising this player based on press releases from his employer. If this were an article about a cell phone or an automobile instead of a football player, would we keep it? I have found no other coverage beyond game reports and such, so I'm not sure it's possible to improve this article. Leviv ich 17:46, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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