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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Kraxler ( talk) 16:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC) reply

Espoir Tsevie

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It seems the author started some articles that are sourced but I can't find any for this one (no stats, official website, club affiliate, etc.) and, at best, may have been short-lived if it ever existed. SwisterTwister talk 21:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - no evidence this club exists, likely hoax. Giant Snowman 09:48, 19 July 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep - Come on guys, it literally took 2 seconds searching RSSSF to find evidence of the existence of the club and confirmation that they played in the Togolese second division in 2014 (They played in group B and are noted as Espoir FC (Tsevié)). Also references:

1. here (as Espoir) in Division 2 in 2012
2. here to Espoir playing in the second teir in 2009-11,
3. here qualifying for the second division playoffs in 2006,
4. here getting to the 1/8 finals of the Togo cup in 2005,
5. here getting to the 1/16 finals of the Togo cup in 2002 and playing in the second division.

I'll update the article to reflect this history.

The Togo second division might initially be organised in a group stage, but this is obviously a club that has a reasonable history playing at a not insignificant national level and there are clear references to the club qualifying at least once for the national playoff stages and also playing in the national cup competition on multiple occasions and so it meets general consensus held at WP:FOOTYN that teams playing in national competitions are notable. Perhaps @ GiantSnowman: might wish to reconsider and if so @ SwisterTwister: withdraw? Fenix down ( talk) 13:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC) reply

I'm more inclined to keep because of the links but I'll let any other interested users comment for now. SwisterTwister talk 16:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC) reply

@ Fenix down: - I Googled them, found nothing. Happy to change to Keep now though. Giant Snowman 17:27, 20 July 2015 (UTC) reply

The slightly different presentation of name made it a bit more difficult. If kept, I think this should be moved to Espoir FC (Togo) in line with clubs of similar name. Fenix down ( talk) 17:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep per good work from Fenix down. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 10:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC) reply

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