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The result was keep. Procedural close. There is no subject specific guideline around club notability. WP:FOOTYN which states clubs are notable if they play in a national competition (and therefore aren't if they dont) is just an essay. Whilst it is an essay regularly cited in individual deletion discussions, I don't think it is appropriate to use here across such a wide number of clubs.

Moreover, this is ultimately a question about GNG and I don't see how a reasoned discussion can be held on so many clubs in one go as there is no clear thread indicating they are all non notable.

This closure does not suggest notability for any of these clubs and any editor should feel they can renominate individually if they feel a club fails GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 08:48, 2 June 2017 (UTC) reply

Centenary Stormers FC

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best achievement FFA Cup Preliminary Round 5

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best achievement FFA Cup Preliminary Round 3

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best achievement FFA Cup Preliminary Round 6

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best achievement FFA Cup Preliminary Round 6

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best achievement FFA Cup Preliminary Round 5

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best achievement FFA Cup Preliminary Round ?

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Centenary Stormers FC doesn't meet the requirements of WP:FOOTYN#Club notability, its best achievement being Preliminary Round 4 of the FFA Cup. The clubs gaining notability through appearance in the FFA Cup are listed in FFA Cup appearances, and those through playing in a fully pro league in A-League (per WP:FPL) - these clubs aren't among them. Cabayi ( talk) 15:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Cabayi ( talk) 15:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Cabayi ( talk) 15:26, 1 June 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 15:28, 1 June 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep. The premise of this AfD is wrong: per the policy the nominator just cited and I quote, "All teams that have played in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists) are assumed to meet WP:N criteria. Teams that are not eligible for national cups must be shown to meet broader WP:N criteria." This is not a presumption of non-notability: it means there needs to be a discussion about the individual notability of those clubs based on the available sources, which you cannot possibly have in a group nomination of 33 different clubs. Incidentally, the nominator doesn't even try to make the case that they don't pass WP:GNG (as the guideline states) - "best achievement FFA Cup Preliminary Round 4" is not a reason for deletion. The nominator should individually relist any clubs he wants to make an actual case for. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 00:27, 2 June 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep - The Drover's Wife summed up my thoughts nicely, but I shall also add that clubs such as Grange Thistle actually competed on a national stage in the NSL Cup back in the day. A lot of these clubs played in the Brisbane Premier League at some point, and were at the second highest flight (or equal top flight prior to 1977) of Australian football. - J man708 ( talk) 01:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC) reply

J man708, Brisbane Premier League isn't listed at WP:FPL and it's current status on the 3rd tier of Australian soccer league system doesn't endow notability on its participants. Cabayi ( talk) 07:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep - My views concur with those stated above by The Drover's Wife and J man708. In addition, three of these clubs have competed in the Australia Cup (national cup competition 1962-1968) - Bardon Latrobe (as Latrobe), Eastern Suburbs (as Merton Rovers) and Oxley United (as itself). Akttns ( talk) 03:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC) reply

Akttns, I purposely didn't nominate Oxley United FC because of its participation in the Australia Cup. Neither Eastern Suburbs FC nor Bardon Latrobe FC make any mention of the Australia Cup. If you'd like to add the detail, with source, I'll happily withdraw the nomination for those two. Cabayi ( talk) 07:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC) reply

• Procedural Keep. Without making comments either way on notability, there isn't any way to pull apart so many different cases in one single discussion. I wouldn't oppose some of the lower hanging fruit being nominated in individual discussions, and if those result in "Delete" we can work our way up the tree. Lankiveil ^{( speak to me)} 07:05, 2 June 2017 (UTC). reply
• Procedural Keep. for some at least, the articles pre-date the introduction of the FFA Cup (and its preliminary rounds) - such as Kangaroo Point Rovers FC - so for an article that's been on Wikipedia since 2010, how has the notability decreased by introduction of a particular Cup in 2014 to be used as the ?sole criteria for inclusion ? I also agree with the comments above from The Drover's Wife and J man708 in this regard. Matilda Maniac ( talk) 07:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC) reply

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