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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 08:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
CSKA 1948–CSKA Sofia rivalry
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Fails WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG and seems to be a clear case of WP:CRYSTAL; the teams have literally only played each other once and it seems a bit of a stretch to call it an established rivalry. I can see the logic behind their prediction that this will be a rivalry in the years to come but I would imagine that, at best, this has to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Spiderone 08:10, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete - definitely interesting and potentially notable, but not currently. If anybody digs out Bulgarian-language sources please let me know. Giant Snowman 18:13, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom; far too soon for this to be a notable rivalry. The two sources don't suggest this is a notable rivalry. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 02:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Deleting this article is just an atempt of silencing and ignoring the real CSKA-Sofia problem, as now we have there a page with wrong information ignoring all the reliable sources and despite numerous attempts nothing happens. Ludost Mlačani ( talk) 21:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- There's no silencing here. If you are able to provide reliable secondary sources that establish that this is a notable and significant rivalry, then, of course, it can be kept. At the moment, it just seems like a case of someone using a crystal ball to predict that this will be a notable rivalry, which is not really appropriate for an encyclopaedia.
Spiderone 08:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Even if the rivalry is somehow considered not to be "notable" due to CRYSTAL, the CSKA dispute is very real and very notable and Wikipedia should adress it, that was my point.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk) 09:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I am not opposed to merging relevant info in to both of the club's articles as I've noticed that this topic isn't really covered in either of them yet. I'm not convinced that it warrants an article of its own, though.
Spiderone 10:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, there should be at least a section about the dispute in both articles and the article PFC CSKA Sofia should be rewritten according to the sources, but the club fans are blocking any improvements.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk) 10:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Might be worth running through
dispute resolution if you haven't already done so
Spiderone 11:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I haven't participated in the CSKA debate so far and I am not sure it would do anything, as there was allready a RfC and everything was allready explained numerous times (especially by Chris Calvin), but nothing changes and everything seems pointless, it seems everyone lost interest, I mean just read the comments... Maybe Dispute Resolution could halp, but I do not know who has the nerves to do it. Simply deleting this article certainly won't help it. I thnik we need a section or an article titled "Dispute over the identity of PFC CSKA Sofia" and the rivalry should be included there. 11:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ludost Mlačani ( talk • contribs)
- Might be worth running through
dispute resolution if you haven't already done so
Spiderone 11:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, there should be at least a section about the dispute in both articles and the article PFC CSKA Sofia should be rewritten according to the sources, but the club fans are blocking any improvements.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk) 10:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I am not opposed to merging relevant info in to both of the club's articles as I've noticed that this topic isn't really covered in either of them yet. I'm not convinced that it warrants an article of its own, though.
Spiderone 10:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Even if the rivalry is somehow considered not to be "notable" due to CRYSTAL, the CSKA dispute is very real and very notable and Wikipedia should adress it, that was my point.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk) 09:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- There's no silencing here. If you are able to provide reliable secondary sources that establish that this is a notable and significant rivalry, then, of course, it can be kept. At the moment, it just seems like a case of someone using a crystal ball to predict that this will be a notable rivalry, which is not really appropriate for an encyclopaedia.
Spiderone 08:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom; sports rivalry articles on Wikipedia have very high standards to clear, and this doesn't make it. (That being said, this so-called "rivalry" is already mentioned in the FC CSKA 1948 Sofia article.) That there is a heated dispute over which club -- if any -- has the right to claim the original club's history is a completely different matter. It's obviously been a bone of bitter contention on PFC CSKA Sofia's talk page, but it doesn't need a separate article: it needs a sentence or two in that article, properly sourced. (Honestly, the dispute over a club's lineage, especially in association football where the concept of "phoenix clubs" are well known enough to have a Wikipedia article, doesn't merit any more.) If the aforementioned club fanboys try to delete such information, then it'll wind up a matter for ANI. Ravenswing 07:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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