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The result was keep. Squeaks by on GNG. Randykitty ( talk) 17:13, 15 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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Not notable. Is on the KC Chiefs roster but he is yet to play. Lacks coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. There is some extra sources on the talk page but only this local piece looks good. duffbeerforme ( talk) 10:06, 24 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep - Sources exist to establish notability per WP:BASIC. See 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Although I agree that this article doesn't meet WP:NGRIDIRON, the sources that exist are enough to establish notability. ~Oshwah~ ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:01, 24 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• @ Oshwah: Basic primer regarding establishing notability under the general notability guidelines: WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. The Vanderbilt athletics department and Senior Bowl websites are not independent sources; they're entities too closely related to the subject and have a vested interest in promoting content related to the subject. Recruiting and NFL Draft websites, such as the CBS Sports profile, are generally treated as not significant coverage. Sports blogs and fan-site such as "Anchor of Gold" (really SBNation.com) are generally treated as not reliable sources because their writers are not professional and their content is not subject to professional editor review and control. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 02:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• Delete: 1, 4, and 6 above are primary sources (either the university he played for or a bowl game he played in). 5 is routine coverage on a draft website, given to all those eligible for the draft. 2 and 3 are on a blog specific to the university he played for, which is only a local source. With 2 and 3 really the only non-routine coverage in a secondary source, two local sources is not enough to pass WP:GNG for a college athlete. Keep in mind local sources cover college athletes largely due to the notability of the team, not necessarily the notability of the individual. A decent athlete at a Division III school might have a few local pieces on him/her, but that certainly wouldn't be because they're notable. ~ Rob ^Talk 13:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep - Search again, there are many sources. His notability is increasing by the day in its own right. Andrew Eckart ( talk) 23:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• @ Andrew Eckart: Can you provide links to some that you see as significant? I'm seeing plenty of minor coverage related to the draft or small mentions, but nothing particularly substantial. I don't doubt that he will eventually be notable, but we shouldn't predict this, as per WP:CRYSTAL. ~ Rob ^Talk 00:23, 25 July 2015 (UTC) reply

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• Comment. Long snappers don't typically get a lot of press, but this guy gets a fair bit, though it seems to be in large part because of his looks (SI.com picked him as one of the 10 "hottest" college football players) and his famous fiance (Olympic gymnast Shawn Johnson). Examples include: Us magazine, Sports Illustrated, The Tennessean, The City Paper, Kansas City Star, and Vanderbilt Hustler. Cbl62 ( talk) 01:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• The Tennessean is definitely a reliable secondary source, and pushes me to a weaker delete. I still don't think the combined reliable sources are enough to pass GNG yet, but it's definitely closer. The Vanderbilt Hustler is a student newspaper for the university he plays for, so more-or-less a primary source. The engagement stuff is not really indicative of notability, as all of the articles I've seen regarding it have focused on Johnson (inherited notability). And while I agree with his placement on the SI list, I think it goes without saying that it has no bearing on notability. Just to articulate my specific concerns more, I'm seeing very limited regional coverage and no national coverage whatsoever. I don't majorly factor local coverage into notability of college athletes because such coverage generally stems from the notability of the team, not the notability of the player. ~ Rob ^Talk 05:48, 25 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep coverage is coverage, and notability can be acquired through many paths. One of those can be through a significant amount of press for getting engaged at Wrigley Field. People get engaged at Wrigley Field many times a year, but this one got a lot of press. Couple that with the other coverage and I'm looking at a clear pass of the general notability guideline. Engagement to someone else can indeed be a path to notability. For example, Diana, Princess of Wales and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge are two (albeit more "extreme") examples where notability came from who they got engaged to (and eventually married).-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep, as Paulmcdonald said, GNG doesn't discriminate about the type of coverage. He's had coverage in People, IndyStar, NBC's Today, Us, and many others regarding his engagement - which wouldn't be news unless they were notable; The Kansas City Star, plus many articles about his signing and his progress during training camp. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:56, 8 August 2015 (UTC) reply

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