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The result was no consensus. WP:NMODEL does appear to be irrelevant. There seems to be no consensus as to whether this is a holder of a major award. There is also no consensus as to the reliability and depth of coverage in the sources. 78.26 _{( spin me / revolutions)} 20:19, 19 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Allison Brown

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Subject fails WP:NMODEL and WP:ANYBIO. Coverage limited to her name and city in a short AP story likely generated by a press release after the WP:ONEEVENT and a short blurb in what appears to be local paper in a small town saying her reign was over. Winning a contest as a high school student does not make someone wikipedia notable and even the minor press received is very light on biographical details. Subject is best covered in a list WP:NOPAGE or within the page on the event as our guidelines specify. We routinely reject pages at AfC about people with a lot more coverage in RS than this subject. Multiple mentions in papers tracking back to an AP release naming her as a winner are not substantial coverage. I also note the AfC a year ago was largely derailed by an editor now topic banned from deletion discussion. AfD is indeed not cleanup - it is a place to consider the wisdom of having stand alone pages for subjects. Legacypac ( talk) 12:47, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:47, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:47, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:47, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:48, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Comment - I'm still doing research, but she has a few minor acting roles under the name "Alli Brown" during the late 80s and early 90s. Includes Days of our Lives, Free Spirit, Sister Kate, Santa Barbara and some movie in 1990 called The Covenant. Might be useful for people searching for sources to note the alternate name she used. WikiVirus C ^(talk) 16:57, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Interesting, I also learned she changed her name to Allison Brown Young (I'm assuming after she was married). ^[1] Lonehexagon ( talk) 03:27, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

I also saw that too when I posted the article when she hosted '95 pageant. I also think I saw another last name somewhere else, I'm trying to find it, not sure if I might be misremembering. Also @ Legacypac:, I moved paged back as she is more well known as Allison Brown, per WP:MAIDEN. WikiVirus C ^(talk) 03:43, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Found it. From the book recently added as source, ^[2] and from their Inn's Website, the more recent marriage with a Marin Starr. Don't have a RS of a name change though, and both those are primary sourced information as well. WikiVirus C ^(talk) 04:29, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete: fails NMODEL and fails GNG. Quis separabit? 19:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Delete -- a BLP that lacks sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. A state-level pageant win is an insufficient claim to notability and WP:SIGCOV to meet GNG cannot be found. K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:49, 10 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep referencing has been updated. Numerous profiles in reliable sources. K.e.coffman needs to read what he's commenting on before he votes because this is a national title not a state-level pageant win. Notability is not temporary. --- PageantUpdater ( talk) 00:51, 11 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep, as well as keep all the articles in Category:Miss Teen USA winners (repeating what I said at the Janel Bishop AfD). Beauty contests at all levels and ages are a popular pastime in female America. Wikipedia has an excruciating amount of detail on popular content topics of interest to men and boys. A single appearance in a major league game is enough for an article, though the person may do nothing of notice ever after. We need to stop trying to reduce the amount of female popular interest topics here. StarryGrandma ( talk) 01:44, 11 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep - per ref improvements. Per Miss Teen USA being a top pageant whether we like it or not BabbaQ ( talk) 11:39, 11 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Delete This is not a "top US pageant" is is a low followed pageant for teens, with low coverage, and human intesest clipping coverage at best. This is not the stuff that passing GNG is made of. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:09, 12 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Comment at the time (indeed for 24 years) it was the only nationally televised Teen pageant. "Low followed pageant"? Notability is not temporary. --- PageantUpdater ( talk) 10:02, 12 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep Per WP:ANYBIO "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor." Miss Teen USA is the biggest teen pageant and well known to the public. Per WP:GNG, Brown also received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" about what she did in the year after the win. ^[3] Lonehexagon ( talk) 03:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

The refs you provided are passing mentions and routine coverage. She fails NMODEL. Legacypac ( talk) 03:34, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

According to WP:GNG, a person is notable if they receive "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject," and "significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." This is an entire page about her from 1987, a year after her win. ^[3] Someone only needs to pass WP:GNG to be included in Wikipedia. Lonehexagon ( talk) 03:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

She's a pageant titleholder, not a model. There aren't any more specific guidelines, thus we fall back on WP:BIO, which I believe she passes, although you clearly see that differently. --- PageantUpdater ( talk) 06:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Added additional sources She's been noted as an influential figure from Edmond in two books. ^{[2] [4]} Lonehexagon ( talk) 03:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC) reply

I'd encourage everyone to check the linked books. I find the charactorization of these references as misleading. Legacypac ( talk) 18:30, 19 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep - Major pageant winner. -- After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 21:19, 15 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep - plenty of refs to support notability. Gtstricky ^{Talk or C} 03:39, 19 February 2018 (UTC) reply
• Comment I think it should be noted that User:Jdcomix has rescinded his keep close of this SFD without comment. According to commentary on his talk page User:K.e.coffman requested it and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Georgia's Outstanding Teen be reopened in favour of an admin close --- PageantUpdater ( talk) 03:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Correct, this was due to the talk page notice, do you want me to notify the nominator for deletion? Jdcomix ( talk) 03:47, 19 February 2018 (UTC) reply

• Redirect at the very least there should be a redirect. GuzzyG ( talk) 17:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC) reply

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