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The result was delete. JGHowes talk 16:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Alexander Jobst
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Non-notable. Fails WP:BIO. scope_creep Talk 17:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 17:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 17:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The article could use a lot of work, but a quick search for his name yields significant coverage. I'd lean keep if the page can be updated with some better sources. -- Nemov ( talk) 18:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: I didn't find notability by searching through the references. Wasraw ( talk) 19:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete with the proliferation of more and more chief x officer titles, we do not need a corresponding proliferation of articles on non-notable businessmen. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:17, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: a five-minute Google search of German sources revealed the following: one piece by the Westdeutscher Rundfunk, an interview with the Ruhr Nachrichten, an article by Express (a tabloid which I would say is reliable on sports), this one by Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung. There is more out there and I have no doubt that this subject meets WP:GNG. I'll add some content from these sources to the article. Modussiccandi ( talk) 19:14, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Modussiccandi ( talk) 19:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as per Johnpacklambert. MrsSnoozyTurtle ( talk) 02:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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MrsSnoozyTurtle: Not wanting to badger, but can I ask why the above sources don't convince you? There are lots more sources out there, so I'd be willing to direct you to them. If you have reasons for your !vote with regard to
WP:GNG, I would be more than happy to hear them.
Modussiccandi (
talk) 09:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Two are interviews, one is an annoucement and not a single one is WP:SECONDARY source, mainly due to him resigning. scope_creep Talk 10:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Modussiccandi. I agree with Scope Creep that the sources above are Primary and therefore do not meet
WP:NBIO. Regards,
MrsSnoozyTurtle (
talk) 22:12, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for engaging, scope creep. I acknowledge that not all of the sources I linked above contribute to him meeting GNG. But, as I said, there is much more coverage of him available.
This one, for example, offers an analysis of his resignation and is certainly secondary in nature.
This piece talks about his role in the club's future development. These two sources alone seem to lift him above the bar for GNG. The more relevant question is whether he is only notable for
WP:ONEEVENT. I think the answer is "no" since his career as a high-level sports executive before his resignation is documented well enough.
Modussiccandi (
talk) 12:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- In addition to my remarks regarding WP:ONEVENT: kicker, Germany's leading sports paper, featured a large-scale interview with him in their print edition of 12 October 2020. (The publication of the interview is previewed here.) I don't have access to this publication at the moment but their article, albeit not independent, will surely help to reliably confirm lots of facts about his work before his resignation. Modussiccandi ( talk) 12:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for engaging, scope creep. I acknowledge that not all of the sources I linked above contribute to him meeting GNG. But, as I said, there is much more coverage of him available.
This one, for example, offers an analysis of his resignation and is certainly secondary in nature.
This piece talks about his role in the club's future development. These two sources alone seem to lift him above the bar for GNG. The more relevant question is whether he is only notable for
WP:ONEEVENT. I think the answer is "no" since his career as a high-level sports executive before his resignation is documented well enough.
Modussiccandi (
talk) 12:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- @
MrsSnoozyTurtle: Not wanting to badger, but can I ask why the above sources don't convince you? There are lots more sources out there, so I'd be willing to direct you to them. If you have reasons for your !vote with regard to
WP:GNG, I would be more than happy to hear them.
Modussiccandi (
talk) 09:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GNG. Honestly what has he done? This person appears to be yet another PR person whose page is using Wikipedia as a web host. Bearian ( talk) 01:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 14:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 14:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as GNews gives me a lot of coverage from him, albeit from German sources, about the man's involvement in the sports industry], plus GBooks also gives me a couple of good results. 👨x🐱 ( talk) 14:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Most of these are routine in the context of him in the poistion, not him, specifically. Several are the annoucement of him resigning. The last one for example, in the first list [1]] is again related to the death threats. The SPORT1 is another annocement of him leaving. Looking at the 2nd Google Books list. The first at [2] looks like a series of profiles. Not really suitable for BLP, possibly external link. The 2nd one looks like an e-book with huge writing. It is not in-depth. The third one in the Italian language, is effectively a passing mention in relation to something else. The fourth one, The aim was to “further sharpen the external image”, as Marketing Director Alexander Jobst explained (quoted in the N.N., 2014, p. 10). is not in-depth. So I don't think it is particularly useful in an AFD discussion, just to provide a search listing and somehow make it feel it worthy of a BLP, without actually examining them in detail. They're not good sources. The guy is a marketing manager and these are all mostly unsuitable to prove WP:V and WP:BIO. Very poor all-in-all. scope_creep Talk 22:39, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While there are a number of sources available, a consensus is emerging that none of them are the kind that can be used to establish notability. However, given discussion to date relisting to see if firmer consensus one way or another can be found.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 16:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: While there are a number of sources available, a consensus is emerging that none of them are the kind that can be used to establish notability. However, given discussion to date relisting to see if firmer consensus one way or another can be found.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 16:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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