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The result was keep. With the additional Farsi sources, the recent comments to the discussion moved towards the consensus that the relevant inclusion guidelines have been met. Der yck C. 20:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC) reply

Abolfazl Bahadorani

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested based on a claim that he has played in the Iranian Pro League. A claim not supported by reliable sources. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 01:41, 28 March 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 01:43, 28 March 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - before I spend too much time on a wild goose chase, which reliable sources do you have that indicate that Bahadorani didn't play in a fully professional league. Also, can you relist Yampi and Poormohamad in separate AFDs? There seems to be ample evidence that they played professionally ... unless I've once again confused Iran and Iraq ... :) Nfitz ( talk) 01:55, 28 March 2015 (UTC) reply
The source listed in the article only lists appearances in the Azadegan League. Absent sources confirming it, we can't assume he has played in the Persian Gulf Pro League (or any other FPL for that matter). Sir Sputnik ( talk) 02:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Why do you persist in claiming he only has 1 appearance when 2 appearances have been documented. [1] shows 2 appearances in 2009/2010 (1 whole match and another match where he started but did not complete). These matches are August 2009 and October. Nfitz ( talk) 12:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The Farsi version of this page fa:ابوالفضل بهادرانی says that he used to play with Foolad F.C.. And old edit of that page from 5 years ago does show him in the squad - [2] and he does appear in 2009–10 Foolad F.C. season. The question is, did he make an appearance? Are there any good sources of line-ups or stats from that period? At the age of 36, I do have to wonder where the records of the rest of his career are. Nfitz ( talk) 17:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC) reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC) reply
While this certainly raises some interesting questions, it is still not enough for notability in my opinion. There's a fairly well-established consensus that older footballers who are at or near the end of their career with only a small number of WP:FPL appearances fall under the part of the lede of WP:NSPORT which says meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept (emphasis theirs), as evidenced at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrei Nițu and other afd's listed by GiantSnowman in that discussion. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 19:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC) reply
Yep, there is consensus at a large number of AFDs that one appearance is not sufficient when a player so comprehensively fails GNG. That applies here as well. Giant Snowman 20:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC) reply
We've freqently kept the article of an active player as soon as evidence of a fully professional start has been found. The goal post is moving here. You prodded the article claiming he hadn't played in a fully-pro league. When challeneged that the linked Farsi version claimed he had played in fully pro league you then nominated for deletion with claim that there were no reliable sources that he had played in fully pro league. When provided with a reliable source that he had played in a fully pro league and thus meets WP:NFOOTBALL you are now trying to ignore WP:NFOOTBALL. The basis of the nomination hasn't been met. I'm also curious as to where he was before his 2009 pro appearance. He was already in his 30s then - it seems unlikely he appeared from nowhere. It would be nice if people would research these players properly before nominating or voting delete. And it would be nice if people didn't falsely claim that WP:NFOOTBALL hasn't been met, when it has. Nfitz ( talk) 20:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC) reply
Yes, we traditionally allow greater tolerance when it is a young player at the start of their career. But a 36 year old whose sole professional appearance came 6 years ago?! C'mon... Giant Snowman 23:43, 5 April 2015 (UTC) reply
Sole documented appearance on a team listed in WP:FPL. But we can't document where he was for the previous 10-15 years ... it seems odd that he's the starter for top team one season, and can't be found the year before. I think we are missing something. I'm also trying to verify he is really that old. And surely he's still a professional player - he is playing for the reserve squad these days, for the team he made an appearance for in 2009. It's not like his career is over ... 36 is often when keepers hit their prime. Still, I'm not sure why you haven't deleted your comment about the player not meeting WP:NFOOTBALL - which he does. Nfitz ( talk) 00:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC) reply
My !vote above clarified. Giant Snowman 09:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC) reply
Your clarification above is based on a "sole" appearance, which isn't the case. The examples you cite above all appear to be either for players who only had a sole appearance (often for only a few minutes), or have retired; the only exception I can see was since recreated and kept. I don't see any examples of players who had multiple-appearances in a national highest-level league who are still active (heck, I'm not sure there's even any examples for someone who had a sole appearance in a national top-level league and are still active!) Nfitz ( talk) 12:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - he didn't have a "sole" appearance. He also played an entire match on October 27, 2009 - [4]. Nfitz ( talk) 00:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC) reply
  • So we don't even know how many appearances he made? Seeing as this which 'you provided says only one, now you say two...? Giant Snowman 09:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC) reply
  • I initially misinterpreted that table. I thought it said he had 1 appearance, and 1 game where he left during the match. What it says is that he played 1 "Whole" match and 1 other match which he did not complete (if you read down, there are players who had 0 "Whole" appearances, but many games where they entered or exited matches). After I realised that, it was just a matter of finding that second match. I think there were only 2 appearances that season ... though he was almost 31 when he first appears out of nowhere ... I'd guess he was bouncing around the lower leagues and reserve squad before that, but it seems odd that I can't find any record of it. Nfitz ( talk) 12:00, 6 April 2015 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC) reply
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