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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Smartyllama ( talk) 17:28, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
2018 ConIFA World Football Cup squads
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PROD removed by article creator. This is a minor tournament of unofficial 'national' teams, it does not merit a separate squad list ( WP:LISTN / WP:LISTCRUFT), particularly when the vast, vast majority of people listed are non-notable. Giant Snowman 17:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 17:15, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. 2017 ConIFA European Football Cup squads has existed for over a year without being challenged so I don't see why the 2018 WFC shouldn't stay too, as it has significantly more media coverage (including through Goal.com who are hosting a documentary filmed by Paddy Power and will be streaming games, [1] and Sporting News) and includes a large number of professional footballers of note, particularly from the Eastern European sides, which play in the top 2 divisions of Russia/Slovakia/Romania/Hungary. VampireKilla ( talk) 17:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Regarding the 2017 article, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Regarding a betting company streaming games - how does that impact on the notability of this topic (ie the squad list, not the tournament itself)? Giant Snowman 17:31, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- As I said, there are a lot of professionals playing from top tiers of Russia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Armenia. A small portion of current and former full internationals include for Zimbabwe (
Cliff Moyo), Russia U21 (
Anri Khagush), Hungary (
György Sándor), Lithuania (
Marius Stankevičius), Turkey U19 (Ahmet Sivrii), Pakistan (
Yousuf Butt). Jesse Debrah recently signed a professional deal at Millwall.
[2] Scouts from professional clubs will be attending the games, including
Graham Potter
[3] (Greek) and the article includes notable managers for the teams, including
Beslan Ajinjal,
István Sándor,
Róbert Ilyés,
Reuben Hazell,
An Yong-hak, and
Harutyun Vardanyan.
Bruce Grobbelaar is also confirmed to be involved with Matabeleland and I will include that when Matabeleland announce their final squad.
VampireKilla (
talk) 17:46, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- As I said, how is this topic notable?
Giant
Snowman 18:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- I just explained why. Numerous professionals taking part, half the team have managers of note. Considering the increased coverage of the tournament as a whole, it makes sense for the tournament to have increased coverage on Wikipedia, including squads, referees, etc. I'll also be including the referees on the main page once all are confirmed (only one team + Mark Clattenburg have been confirmed so far), top scorers once the tournament starts, clean sheets stats, and more too. Unless you want me to include all squads on the main tournament page (which would be incredibly unsightly) this is the most elegant solution.
VampireKilla (
talk) 18:09, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
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WP:NOTINHERITED. Please try again. There is no need for squad lists to be anywhere.
Giant
Snowman 18:15, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Nevertheless every squad has players of note (as in, with a Wikipedia article) except Ellan Vannin because Liam Doyle wasn't released by his club in America. Even then they have a pro with Seamus Sharkey. Even if it's a minority, it's still a vastly significant amount.
VampireKilla (
talk) 18:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- No it's not - and you've still not said how this article meets notability requirements?
Giant
Snowman 19:53, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- I have attempted to, it's not my fault you have some sort of agenda.
VampireKilla (
talk) 20:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment let's assume good faith here. Judging purely on the sourcing that's currently in use there really isn't much to indicate notability. One is a primary source, the other is a single team making an announcement. Instead of accusing others of having an agenda, focus on improving the sourcing. Cheers. Jay eyem ( talk) 04:24, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- I have attempted to, it's not my fault you have some sort of agenda.
VampireKilla (
talk) 20:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- No it's not - and you've still not said how this article meets notability requirements?
Giant
Snowman 19:53, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Nevertheless every squad has players of note (as in, with a Wikipedia article) except Ellan Vannin because Liam Doyle wasn't released by his club in America. Even then they have a pro with Seamus Sharkey. Even if it's a minority, it's still a vastly significant amount.
VampireKilla (
talk) 18:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
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WP:NOTINHERITED. Please try again. There is no need for squad lists to be anywhere.
Giant
Snowman 18:15, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- I just explained why. Numerous professionals taking part, half the team have managers of note. Considering the increased coverage of the tournament as a whole, it makes sense for the tournament to have increased coverage on Wikipedia, including squads, referees, etc. I'll also be including the referees on the main page once all are confirmed (only one team + Mark Clattenburg have been confirmed so far), top scorers once the tournament starts, clean sheets stats, and more too. Unless you want me to include all squads on the main tournament page (which would be incredibly unsightly) this is the most elegant solution.
VampireKilla (
talk) 18:09, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- As I said, how is this topic notable?
Giant
Snowman 18:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 03:10, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 03:10, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 03:10, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep lists don't need the people in the list to be notable, the list itself simply needs to be notable. Some very quick searches bring up news articles regarding who gets picked for these teams, such as [4] and the tournament itself has gotten major international news coverage. While the best link directly on the subject was primary, I think it's a valid spin-off article as a list of squads for a notable tournament. SportingFlyer talk 01:27, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- @ SportingFlyer: any 1) reliable sources and 2) in-depth coverage please? Giant Snowman 10:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep notable tournament, with semi-notable teams, and some notable players. Don't see reason for deletion. Ortizesp ( talk) 17:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - sources above indicate the tournament is receiving a reasonable level of coverage in major outlets. See no reason why we wouldn't have squad listings as we normally do for notable tournaments. Fenix down ( talk) 14:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
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