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Greghenderson2006
I agree with your comments. As I said, I think that a block from article space should be a more common sanction against paid editors who are acting in good faith but are acting like paid editors.
You sometimes nominate articles for deletion after an appropriate draftification has been contested. This is another. The twist is that I have requested a sockpuppet investigation into the two authors, because the second one came in when the first was blocked. Tag team editing sometimes refers to a form of battleground editing, but there is another type of tag teaming which is a form of sockpuppetry. I am sure you have seen tag team sockpuppets before. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Hey @ Timtrent, I just had a look at this draft, felt I recognised it, and saw your post at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Princek2019.
Am I missing something, but I feel like the sources on this draft are okay and perhaps establish notability? The article isn't written particularly well, and there's a couple of missing sources, but overall this feels like a pass of WP:NPEOPLE? Or am I wrong?
Best, Qcne (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, and thanks very much for the lovely feedback. I'm a little confused about the declined article as a number of presenters Barra works with could be categorised exactly the same, but their articles have been approved. Is there something I've done wrong with this particular article. I've included some approved articles as examples. Thanks again. C.
Catherine Gowdy (
talk) 10:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Sorry about the revert, this was an accidental misclick and then my computer froze :( — Kusma ( talk) 10:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Help delete template for acticle Akane Yamaguchi. Thanks you. 27.64.221.154 ( talk) 06:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
The sources are all publications of the cryptocurrency community, and so not independent, so it fails general notability. That's one more reason to delete. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:19, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Timtrent. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, " Ann Wead Kimbrough".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗ plicit 23:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
I have started the source analysis, and so far they are, as you say, press releases and stuff like that. I will finish within 24 hours. In the meantime, I have !voted a Weak Delete because, if the sources are good (and I don't think that they will be), it needs to be blown up and started over, or just blown up, or sent to Sagittarius A*. Robert McClenon ( talk) 07:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
The account that moved it from draft space to article space is under discussion at WP:ANI for gaming ECP, which is another reason to delete. Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I am writing this to you to substantiate the article about Hasan Mohammed Jinnah on Wikipedia. This article is currently listed as lacking substantial references, but I believe that it meets the criteria for inclusion.
He is a state public Prosecutor of TamilNadu, India, who has widespread media coverage.
The article about him on Wikipedia is a well-written and informative. It covers all of the major aspects of personality and the cases in which he played a crucial role. The article is also well-sourced, with citations to reliable sources such as Tamilnadu Department of Information and Public Relations (DIPR), Madras High court press release.
I believe that the article meets all of the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. It is well-written, informative, and well-sourced. It is also a topic that is of interest to a wide range of people.
I urge you to reconsider the article. I will add his Twitter,Linkedin handle and other sources here. Thank you for your time and consideration.
reference :
Abayan leo ( talk) 06:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, appreciate the comments on my draft - Draft:Ajit Raizada. I am a relatively new contributor and hence there may have been gaps. A few comments on how I have drafted the article for your refence:
- agree with your comment that ' The sole element that might be notable is likely to be authorship'. The career as an administrator is secondary. I did try to highlight the authorship and have followed most Wiki 'people articles' to provide chronology as well different aspects of the subject - education, career etc.
- I tried to meticulously referenced external sources - 31 in all - most of which are skewed towards the literary career of the subject. I have however ensured that I taken in enough references which support his administrative career which provide more texture and background to the subject.
- Moreover, I looked at several other wiki articles of people of very similar background - V. P. Joy (poet and administrator), Amitabh Rajan (mainly administrative career),. Arun Bhatnagar - (mainly non notable administrative career with reasonable but limited references). Parikipandla Narahari (administrator, author and musician). They are all non notable Indian administrators and most are authors. For all these cases without exception, references do not cover every position of their careers as is in the case of Ajit Raizada whereas their published works, articles and journals are well supported by references as is the case for Raizada.
I have duly note you comment that I do not review drafts on request, nor, normally, do I review a draft more than once, so please do not ask
However, I also noted :) - If you want me to do something for you, make it easy for me, please.
Hence, may I request you to please spend some time to go thru once again. I'll be very to take in suggestions, as a new and inexperienced contributor, to make changes as required. Thanks!
YRSing ( talk) 10:53, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for that. The stupid changes to the editing interface have really screwed things up for my standard editing. I think I've fixed it in preferences. We'll see. Sometimes I think developers **** things up just to say they've got something to do. <sigh> -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello Timtrent:
WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long
Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.
You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.
Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
Hi Tim,
How are you? Thanks for the message you left on my TP. I've been in and out mostly because of personal stuffs i've been stuck with. I should be more frequent this week. I've missed this space alot.
Jamiebuba (
talk) 08:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi Tim, I'm writing to you about the Renexia page ( Draft:Renexia). After the first warning I updated the sources. Now, all informations contained on the page are supported by soucers for a total of 24 including: 1 institutional website (Delaware State Chamber Of Commerce) and 23 mass media (newspaper, press agency, television, information site, magazine). Some of these, are 5 main streams (for example WSJ, Reuters, Corriere della Sera and Rai – Italian Radio Television), the others are specialized in the energy sector. Do you consider WSJ, Reuters like other non-independent sources and the specialized press inadequate to write about the topic? I await your kind response to better understand. Thank you [[User:Elmo di piume|Elmo di piume]] ([[User talk:Elmo di piume|talk]]) 14:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Elmo di piume|Elmo di piume]] I hope the first five original sources and any like them are now gone. :Mass media is often fine, often not. It depends on the content. If it is a regurgitated PR piece, if it starts with something like "ANYTOWN, DATE, Foo announces" and/or ends with "For more information contact Foo at details", then not. If it is written ''about'' the entity, is ''significant coverage'', is ''independent'' of the entity, and is not a deprecated source such as the UK [[Daily Mail]] then it is likely tobe useful you. :Reviews are an iterative process. Once you are happy please submit it for further review. Don;t stop there. Continue to polish it until you get feedback. :I hope this helps you have your draft accepted 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 14:45, 2 November 2023 (UTC) == [[Draft:Abdul Hapidz]] == Greetings Timtrent! I was wondering if you could give your review and opinion on my [[Draft:Abdul Hapidz|draft]] that was recently declined, despite it meeting the notability criteria. Possibly it may be declined due to the references used. Many thanks. [[User:Pangalau|DuckieWackie]] ([[User talk:Pangalau|talk]]) 08:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] While Facebook, a Wordpress site, and Instagram are not reliable sources, in my view they should not prejudice acceptance. I think you have met a perfectionist. I will resubmit on your behalf and accept it. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 09:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ::@[[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] You do not appear to have edited this draft? Please explain further? 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 09:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :::Thank you for the resubmission, pardon me but what do you mean by me having no edit on the draft? Additional, informations with more references were added after the decline as can be seen in the page's history. Additionally, the draft was first created and written by me prior to its first submission. I hope this is what you meant and clears it up. Thanks. [[User:Pangalau|DuckieWackie]] ([[User talk:Pangalau|talk]]) 09:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] Ah your username and handle differ! 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 09:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :::::I really think I should change my signature back to my username, It has caused more confusion lately, whoops. My apologies! [[User:Pangalau|DuckieWackie]] ([[User talk:Pangalau|talk]]) 09:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] With your user name, why not use my signature as your example? 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 09:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::Actually that idea came about when I visited your talk page and noticed it, the issue was brought up earlier this week and I've forgotten to get back to changing it. [[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] ([[User talk:Pangalau|talk]]) 10:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] Out of interest, why did you choose me to ask? 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 09:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::It is no doubt that your presence on Wikipedia has man an impact personally for me, thus I came to ask due to your experience and friendliness. I've checked the review of my draft's talk page and it does not seem like this user replies to any of his talk sections. [[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] ([[User talk:Pangalau|talk]]) 10:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] Thank you for the compliment. I appreciate it. :::::::The other editor and I disagree about acceptance criteria. The AFC reviewer brief is to accept a draft which we believe has a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process. I often accept borderline drafts. I view the community as being a better judge than I am. :::::::I've interacted with them before. Their review history suggests they require a more perfect draft. I doubt I will persuade them and I have chosen not to make the attempt. Life is too short. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 10:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::It makes sense to not start a debate with the other reviewer in order to save extra time and effort. Your actions and service have been admirable, thank you! [[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] ([[User talk:Pangalau|talk]]) 10:15, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] Oh, please do not forget to deal with the three references I have flagged as unreliable. :::::::::I believe in making friends. Every editor here should feel valued and also enjoy this bizarre hobby. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 10:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::Yeah, I'll find better references for them if not they'll be removed. [[User:Pangalau|Pangalau]] ([[User talk:Pangalau|talk]]) 11:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC) == Draft:Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic–United States relations == G6 completed. Please proceed with moving [[:Draft:Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic–United States relations]] to article space. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 13:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ==S abuse?== I was rather amused to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Indianaaaron&oldid=prev&diff=1183320862 this edit], but then disappointed to see your next edit of the page. I rather like the idea of deleting pages because users have s raped in them. [[User:JBW|JBW]] ([[User talk:JBW|talk]]) 17:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :Oh me too! Me too! You have to adore serendipity! :@[[User:JBW|JBW]] 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 17:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC) == [[User:Wikilover3509/sandbox]] == Hello Timtrent -- Though the sandbox draft isn't very promising, [[Barry Corbet]] might well be notable. A search of Google with ""barry corbet" mountaineer" comes up with enough to potentially satisfy GNG. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:44, 2 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] Indeed he may, but not with ''this'' sandbox draft. There was not even a clue that he was a mountaineer. You might enjoy writing a decent article on Corbet? 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 23:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC) ::"Barry Corbet, member of the 1966–67 American Antarctic Mountaineering Expedition that made the first ascent of Mount Vinson, the summit of Antarctica, and other high mountains in the Sentinel Range." I've given the creator some advice but if you could remove the "fuck off" template that might be encouraging. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] <small>([[User talk:Espresso Addict|talk]])</small> 23:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC) :::@[[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] They really need to start [[Draft:Barry Corbet]] and discard the sandbox. They need to find referencing and write, in their own words, what the referencing says. :::I rejected the sandbox because it was submitted for a review, and that sandbox, as submitted, could not pass, nor would a simple decline have sufficed. :::All rejection dies is stops this iteration. It does not prevent the start of a new set of review iterations. It's four minutes into tomorrow here, and whatever I do with that sandbox I will get it wrong because my eyes are closing. I'm glad you are there to guide them. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 00:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC) ::::{{Ping|Wikilover3509}} you may find the conversation above of interest and of use. Go to [[WP:AFC]], use the wizard, and copy and paste what is ''useful'' into a brand new draft. ''Only submit it for review'' when it looks ready. Please read [[HELP:YFA]] first. ::::The lead section must exist and must summarive the draft. Write that last, and place it first. Your only job is to prove that Corbet passes [[WP:BIO]]. The draft need not be long, but it needs to offer the proof. ::::I'm happy to offer guidance if you wish. That is what reviewing is about. ::::@[[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] I hope that helps. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 07:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Timtrent|Timtrent]] really appreciate your guidance since I am new to the world of Wikipedia editing and contribution. I will try to find more references. [[User:Wikilover3509|Wikilover3509]] ([[User talk:Wikilover3509|talk]]) 03:18, 4 November 2023 (UTC) == Recent Review == Hi, Thank you for reviewing the article linked below. I noticed your comment mentioning Paid editors are expected to do far better. Could you elaborate on this point, please? Thanks in advance. [[Draft:WCKD RZR#]] [[User:Robwckd|Robwckd]] ([[User talk:Robwckd|talk]]) 11:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Robwckd|Robwckd]] A paid editor is paid have articles accepted. Patently you are not achieving that, so you must learn how to. <u>That learning is part of your fee</u>. You should be able to produce drafts that are declined once at the most, probably accepted at once. :I'm a volunteer. I get no fee. That means I am not going to teach you how to earn yours. Paid editors are expected to do better. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 12:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC) == Draft: William John Titus Bishop == Hi Timtrent, Many thanks for your further input to the article [[Draft:William John Titus Bishop]]. As per your advise I have: 1) Removed the Disogs and Musicxmatch references. 2) Removed any uncited statements of fact 3) Removed any self-published sources. 4) Supported all primary sources with secondary sources 5) Removed any unreferenced announcements. 6) Read over the literature on suitable types of source, referencing and reliability as well as checking the reliable sources for musicians and albums. All good things [[User:Topg1985|Topg1985]] ([[User talk:Topg1985|talk]]) 14:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Topg1985|Topg1985]] Thank you. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 14:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC) == [[Draft:Streatham Rovers]] == This was a really poor AfC accept in my opinion; I have moved it back to draftspace. Although the sourcing clearly marks the entire thing as a joke/spoof/hoax, the article is written from the perspective that it is a real team. We are not in the business of writing fiction. At a minimum, it needed to be rewritten to clearly indicate that it is a joke before it should have ever been accepted. Please take more care when you approve drafts. ♠[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]♠ [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 19:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Premeditated Chaos|Premeditated Chaos]] Pretty obviously I disagree. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 21:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC) ::What part, exactly, do you disagree with? That the article's subject is a fictional team? That the article, when you accepted it, was written to present the fictional team as a real thing? You disagree that Wikipedia is not intended to present fiction as fact? This is not a matter of opinion, but of maintaining the quality of this project. ♠[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]♠ [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :::@[[User:Premeditated Chaos|Premeditated Chaos]] The categories make the satire, irony clear, as did the references. I do not expect to convince you, nor do I intend to make the attempt. I do find your tone to be somewhat hectoring, which is a disappointment. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 23:22, 7 November 2023 (UTC) ::::I find it frankly astonishing that a user of your tenure would be this unconcerned about accepting an article that was written to present a blatantly fictional thing as real. Regardless of what the categories and the references say, the ''text'' is the important thing to readers. Your response here indicates this isn't even a mistake caused by not reading closely enough, it was a deliberate decision to accept an article written as a hoax, which is even more appalling. ♠[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]♠ [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Premeditated Chaos|Premeditated Chaos]] I read the draft article and the references with care. It was obvious to me that it documented a hoax perpetrated on others. Perhaps it might have been more obvious with hindsight. I am still disappointed by your hectoring tone, you are way better than that. I think we are not going to agree on this subject, perhaps the more so because of the approach you are taking over it. :::::You will notice that I am not arguing over the draftification of the article, proving that the community works. It will either be improved and resubmitted or will wither on the vine of G13. It's truly not worth getting bent out of shape over. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 23:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :We should be careful not accept drafts that lie in WikiVoice, since this would mislead our readers. I think this draft needs a big rewrite if it is to become ready for mainspace. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 00:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC) == AfC log archives - help! == Hey, I copied your archive stuff from [[User:Timtrent/AfC log]] to mine [[User:KylieTastic/AfC log]] and just changed the username, but the bot did not archive (I did some manually) and the archive list does not show up I get "No archives yet.". I had a vague recollection you had issues getting yours to work... am I missing some step or a magic rune somewhere? Cheers [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 10:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] It's not totally obvious until you look at mine and yours. I have September 2023 in place and will unti1 December. You are in the same state. After the first couple of days of December September will be archived. :If you can find a way to show only the current month please let me know! 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC) ::@[[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] Ah no. I seem to be talking [[WP:BOLLOCKS]]. Fooled myself! I will look some more. How long have you waited for the first run? 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :::Answered my own question by looking!! {{Selftrout}}. I think give it a few days until Cluebot wakes up. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC) ::::Yup I only set up yesterday expecting something to kick in overnight. I guess Cluebot prob has a very last list of pages, so I'll give more time. At first I assume the page was too bit so that why I did a manual. The couldn't work out why the archives did not list either and assumed it was the same issue. I'll just be patient for a bit. I only did it as I realised I had a lot of missed logs that I assume may be hampered by the size, or it may be the AFCH tool is just slower than me and I close articles too quick. Thanks for looking though :) [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 11:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :::::If you click the header on my archive box there, you get one heck of a complex index table. Not that the table has anything to do with it! :::::From memory, the first run was very late in the UK day just after I had wondered why it hadn't run! :::::And yes the AFCH tool is slower than any of us think. Got to wait until it finishes before closing the tab. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] forgot to ping 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::It kicked in and is now working... so looks like it does use the bot indexes. Thanks for your help [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 14:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::[[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] Glad it works. I always wonder how it finds out the first time 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 16:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::::I assume it uses the API equivalent of a[https://en.wikipedia.org/?search=hastemplate%3A%22User%3AClueBot+III%2FArchiveThis%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns1=1&ns3=1 hastemplate] search to find all users. [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 16:33, 8 November 2023 (UTC) == Uni == the absolute greatest [[Special:Contributions/47.157.116.101|47.157.116.101]] ([[User talk:47.157.116.101|talk]]) 22:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC) :Er, ok. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 23:30, 10 November 2023 (UTC) == Jacek Bocheński == Thank you [[User:J.D.K.|J.D.K.]] ([[User talk:J.D.K.|talk]]) 10:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC) == Harald Grytten author's page == Thank you for your quick feedback on the article I wrote on Harald Grytten - I apologize for the obvious issues - the Norwegian version of this page has a similar problem, virtually none of the publications are cross-referenced. It is my second attempt at doing something useful for wikipedia. [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 22:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] I've worked my way through the weirdness your message left here. Now I can see it. :With a list of publications, we have {{tl|ISBN}} which will be more help than a reference for each one. What we need an article to be is ''about the subject'', and thus we need the references to be ''about the subject''. When the subject writes things it is tempting to view those things as very important. And they may be, but usually are not :Let me try to explain. If they manufactured vacuum cleaners, the cleaners would be their work. A vacuum cleaner could not be a reference for them, simply because it is the product they make. So it is with research, writings, etc. However, a review of their work by others tends to be a review of them and their methods. :What you need to maximise your efforts on is references about the writer, not for the things written. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 23:00, 6 November 2023 (UTC) ::I understand - and thanks for the reply. Btw, I have no idea how my reply to you came bundled with someone else's reply, thus triggering your remark about using paragraphs - the message above mine was not... mine. ::I am trying to understand how to use the References area (it always refers me to a References template which I haven't been able to understand yet. ::These items that you kindly sent me feedback for are strictly Bibliography (actually, pretty much similar to what the Norwegian wikipedia page has - this author is a much loved and prized Norwegian historian and writer and it will be very easy to find references about him. I know there are many Norwegian-heritage US citizens that would like to be able to read about him, and that was what triggered me into using him as my "entry point" into participating in the growth of Wikipedia. ::All the best, Vasco [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 23:18, 6 November 2023 (UTC) :::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] I'm pretty sure Grytten is notable. "All" yiu have to do is to prove it. There is a Wikidata item for him. That will likely solve the bibliography, because it indexes indices of works. :::Read [[WP:REFB]] and also [[WP:CITE]], they ought to help. :::I have no idea what caused the horrendous mess, but I nuked it! 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 23:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC) ::::Brilliant! Thank you, Fiddle@[[User:Timtrent|Timtrent]] ::::I'll read through - I studied marine biology and worked in human medicine (documentation, approval for new drugs and new indications at regulatory) so referencing will come as second nature. It is the mechanics of it on wiki that are a bit tricky but I'll get there. ::::At this point I'd like to personally thank you - in this day and age of rage hand-in-hand with anonymity, your approach to my tries has been full of oxygen. [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 10:15, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :::::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] We have a useful "thing", [[WP:BITE]]. But it's important to be friendly, otherwise we waste new editors by annoying the bejesus out of them. :::::There are many templates for citations. The edit window in the top left just outside the editable space has a drop down list. Unless, of course, you use the mobile interface which bewilders everyone. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 10:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::Been learning before next move - it seems pretty straightforward, and I plan to act tomorrow. I wouldn't dare go mobile at this point - maybe later... perhaps much later... [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 23:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] As you are doing, simply take your time. There is no deadline, after all, except one which we set ourselves. I suggest you only submit when you feel ready. Submitting too early can cause you perception problem sin the eyes of others. :::::::You will get a reasonably fast turnaround. We have reduced the backlog to under a week, so truly only submit when ready. :::::::Use your sandbox to play. That is what was really intended for. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 23:51, 7 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::I hope it looks better now - thank you so much for the precious guidance [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 23:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] I have tweaked one line. I used {{tl|ISBN}}, whcih has a real purpose - that of offering all the sales sites it can rather than preferring one. I doubt one needs both the longer and the short ISBN. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 08:22, 9 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::Thank you Timtrent, ::::::::::I cleared the ISBN mess - was unaware of the use of templates for it. ::::::::::I don't know if you're patient enough to let me know if there's any way to change the GUI to add a "frequently used template" instead of the process I went through, ({{ then ISBN on search, then...) ::::::::::Also, I am not sure why, but the list of references used on the text above are now repeated under the first entry in Bibliography. Help if you can? ::::::::::All the best [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 10:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::::::Fixed the mess here! :::::::::::Fixed the references, too. Use the History tab and compare your version and mine and you will see how I fixed it. Here, too! :::::::::::There is no way that I know to be able to do a search and replace, which I think is what you want. When I want to do it I copy the source code and paste it into a text editor, do the operation, and then paste it back to the article. :::::::::::I have huge reserves of patience when folk try hard to learn things 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:32, 9 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] forgot to ping 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 11:32, 9 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::::Thanks! Here I go (check your help). ::::::::::::I hope you're keenly aware of how rare "huge reserves of patience" is. I am grateful [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 13:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::::Good idea - the text editor - I feel I need a bit more confidence on cause-and-effect and syntax of system before I let go off the shore. ::::::::::::Assuming that you seem to think that form might good enough now, is there any extra steps I must follow to re-submit to scrutiny for approval? [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 13:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::::::::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] one final(?) thigh from me. All inline links should be removed, please, and turned into references if appropriate, Wikilinks, or external links in a section so named. See [[Wikipedia:External links]] :::::::::::::I'm not checkimg more than cosmetics which will hinder acceptance, you understand, but I suspect you can submit it after that. I only actually review once. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 16:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::::::I know, I read your opening message carefully. I am thus the more grateful for your time. ::::::::::::::So, best practices are references and Wikilinks instead of links - initially I had the notion that they were permutable. I will clean up that mess. ::::::::::::::And thanks again! [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 17:42, 9 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::::::::::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] Wikipedia evolves by the will of the community, which forms consensus on all sorts of things over time. Inline links were one such. :::::::::::::::I love the way autocarrot has given you one final ''thigh''. I doubt it has a leg to stand on. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 17:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::I have to be honest with you - I am yet to read anyone else's feedback, I am fully focused in learning and you've been a really good help. I plan to do it when I feel that I've learned enough to undestand enough to be sure that this attempt will not fail because of my incapacities. [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 18:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC) :::::::::::::::::@[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] Learn not as a student, but as a teacher, even if you never intend to teach. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 18:25, 9 November 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::::::::::Indeed. ::::::::::::::::::I now followed your advice and cleared the text of links, showing only references instead. ::::::::::::::::::Is there any need to Resubmit, or the next point-evaluation happens automatically when I push Publish? ::::::::::::::::::All the best [[User:Port norw|Port norw]] ([[User talk:Port norw|talk]]) 01:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC) {{outdent}} @[[User:Port norw|Port norw]] As you can see, I have made some edits and then accepted the draft. I did this on the simple basis that it was "sufficiently good" and that you were unlikely to be able to enhance it. Now it is in the community's hands, Be its father, not its mother. Watch it with pride, but allow it to graze its own knees. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 08:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC) == Peatland restoration == G6 deletion completed. Please go ahead with AFC acceptance and move to article space. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 19:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC) == Arbpia topic restrictions == You do realize that the topic is under EC restrictions and new editors aren't allowed to edit in it? That does not mean that new articles by non EC editors are automatically deleted, but they can be without any other reason and it isn't infrequently that they are. A draft is basically a large edit request and needs an EC editor to sign off on it to be included in the encyclopedia. I think the draft will likely be accepted sooner or later by an EC editor who regularly works in the topic area. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 17:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Buidhe|Buidhe]] I'm afraid you failed to make that clear in your comment. It's one thing to know something, but another to make one's knowledge clear to all. AFC is, generally, where new editors draft articles and request approval. Can we expect the creating editor to know the ins and outs of restrictions? :Clarity is really important in areas like this to seek to ensure that anyone falling would of a putative sanction does so in the full knowledge of what is at stake. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 18:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC) ::My comment wasn't aimed at the creator but as a reminder for the experienced editors who patrol AfC. Your comment was not good advice for the creator. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 20:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC) :::@[[User:Buidhe|Buidhe]] Since you have clarified the sanctions, I agree my advice was not. The rest? I stand by my suggestion that you were not as clear as you might have been. :::No matter. Do not let us turn this into a tennis match. 🇺🇦 [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup>]] 🇺🇦 20:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC) == Help with an article == Hi, first of all thanks for your time. Today I wrote an article and I think it was declined. Could you read or guide me through my article to see what's the best way to write and be approved with an article? Best regards, <nowiki>~~~Dan
Link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j1roNDIAcKJLzxxtlZjsGeLqzW37UatiMAtXCS4Fvx4/edit?usp=sharing
Navajones ( talk) 19:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
What can I add to make this sufficient enough for its own article? Thanks. Raymondsiyluy05 ( talk) 06:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi! I was wondering if you would reconsider you're decision re: Volume 1, seeing as Volume 2 already exists. Both were reasonably important albums in early sixties jazz and should have a separate page (imo) from the definitive complete sets issued four decades later. I also think they belong in the Davis album chronology, and it feels incomplete having only the second. Thank you for your time! TlonicChronic ( talk) 23:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
thank you 216.209.142.143 ( talk) 21:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Dear Fiddle Faddle, I am the author of the Draft article about painter Temo Svirely [1] A few days ago you declined it suggesting that I clean up the references. I have a question. There are several YouTube videos which, in my opinion, would add to the value of the article if properly linked. For example, this one, which is a short but powerful documentary about an important historical events, based on Temo's interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q8JmqHxk1U Is there a right way of referencing it, in the Wikipedia article ? Would it be right to simply add them as inline links, as they are now? Please, advise ! AndreiMikhailov ( talk) 00:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, I was continuing to improve my Wikipedia article draft [
Bushfires NT], and wanted some clarification regarding Facebook as a reference. The initial reference was for the custom-made modified Toyota utility vehicles for the purpose of fire fighting. Given that the Facebook link is directly from the origination in question in relation to the topic, is it not appropriate to consider it a primary source over an external link?
Drayden475 ( talk) 20:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
I have re-submitted the article the draft of which was declined earlier.
I have made all suggested changes. Please have a look.
Money2023 ( talk) 07:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi there,
You reviewed my draft of ISU Skating Awards ( /info/en/?search=Draft:ISU_Skating_Awards ) yesterday and gave the following feedback:
All other considerations apart this needs a careful look. It is meant to be a generic article abut the awards, so why is there a 2024 intro about that venue? Please work on what you want to wrote about before resubmitting. Once you do that we can give it a competent review
Please could you give me some more information on this as not completely clear.
Are you suggesting as the 2024 Awards are yet to take place we can not include any information/placeholders on this for now?
If i was to remove mentions of 2024 Awards would the draft be approved?
Many thanks! RedTSports ( talk) 10:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)