Hi pete, I am a new wikipedian and I am approaching you for some feedback, I, along with a working partner, will be linking from a page I am creating to your page on the International Astronautical Federation. I will provide a link to my sandbox below, displaying the content i intend to publish on the page i am creating. (The information that will be filling the page is divided between myself and my working partner, so please excuse it if it feels incomplete.) Here is the link, I hope you find it an interesting read.-- J.skudkid ( talk) 18:23, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hello Petebutt, I've deleted this page as it was a redirect to itself! I'm sure you were intending to draft a full article so there will be no problem with you recreating this page with sonme full text when you're ready. If I have misunderstood what you were doing, please contact me. Best wishes! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 22:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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I hope you did not create that tables manually, with over 7000 subdistricts it should be something to do by software instead, as it way too much work and way to easy to make mistakes manually. In fact, I do have some code which already creates the tables in most of the Amphoe articles, and that could probably be adapted to do this kind of list as well.
I don't get what you meant with the section of Amphoe Mueang Nakhon Ratchasima in the description, as it is only confusing two different kinds of subdivisions - the central administration of Changwat, Amphoe, Tambon, Muban and the local administration of municipalities (Thesaban) and TAO, which exist is parallel.
Also, the naming of the lists is somewhat misleading, as it is a list of subdistricts sorted by districs alphabetically. Especially the Changwat, Amphoe, Tambon in the article title looks strange. Thus the title would better be "List of subdistricts in Thailand, districts A-K" and so on. However, I think this kind of sorting is not the best either, if there really is the need for a list of subdistricts, it is better to have it for each of the four major regions, and then done hierarchically instead of alphabetically by district. andy ( talk) 18:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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looks like for your recent edits to List of airships of the United States Navy you used a reference called <ref name="Aerofiles"/>. No reference with such a name have been previously defined. There is also a need for {{Reflist}} to list all the references you intended to include.
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You obviously did not like my reversion of your change on the RAF Museum page but as I have challenged the edit it really needs to be discussed rather than me changing it back again. I have raised the matter at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Aviation#British Royal Air Force, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 18:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, Petebutt. I've reverted a couple of your edits relating to dismbiguation pages: [1], [2], [3]. Disambiguation pages are used to document multiple articles on Wikipedia that could correspond to the term being disambiguated. The edits you made don't do that; for example, adding the redlink Wang, Tha Chana to Wang won't help anyone get to an article on Wang, Tha Chana, because it doesn't exist. The dab page you set up at Wang Yai consists only of two redlinks, and does not disambiguate between existing articles. And the one at Nong Hong has only one blue link, i.e., there is no diambiguity.
On those last two, note that we don't usually use a dab page where there are only two entries, anyway. The better approach is to have the term redirect to the primary article and use a hatnote ( WP:HATNOTE) on one of them to distinguish.
WP:MOSDAB has a lot of helpful information on this. If you end up creating some of the articles that were redlinks, feel free to put them into the existing dab pages, or create your own (or more likely use hatnotes) to disambiguate them.
Looks like you've made some huge contributions in the aircraft and military related areas of Wikipedia. Keep up the good work! TJRC ( talk) 19:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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Awesome job with the lists of Tambon. I'll help create them all at one point or other. I strongly recommend creating a nav footer template to connect the lists and a lot of the text in the intro is not needed, people can see the ordering anyway. Any date of population data? I'll continue helping clean them up tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I've done it. Can you tag the talk pages for WikiProject Thailand|class=list. Can you place the pages on your watchlist in case anybody tampers with the population figures and try to dab the same name tambons with dab pages?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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As you may have seen at Ryan ST-100 Cloudster and also at Pitts Special, and in particular the discussions at Talk:Pitts Special and also at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft#Pitts_Special_moved_to_Pitts_S1_.26_S2 your constant moves of aircraft type pages are controversial, not accepted by other editors and thus have to be constantly reverted, wasting a lot of time and effort on everyone's part. In future please do not move any aircraft articles without first gaining consensus at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft. - Ahunt ( talk) 12:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
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Pete: I note you moved those Schreder sailplane articles on the understanding that the aircraft were called "Airmate" as an aircraft name. In checking it out Airmate was the name of Schreder's design and drafting company and so the proper name was indeed Schreder Airmate HP-8, etc and not Schreder HP-8 Airmate. You will find more on that in Richard Schreder. As a result I have moved them all back. - Ahunt ( talk) 23:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I've just deleted Letov C-11 as a 'Good faith editor error'. If you make a page by mistake again, you can get it deleted by blanking it and placing a {{ db-G7}} tag on it. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Pete. I've begun building articles on the tambons for Chiang Rai Province and will aim to do the whole of Thailand in the coming weeks. One thin though. Can you please help go through the district articles wiki lining the tambons and dabbing the names? If you do say a province at a time then I'll follow suite and create the articles and then do another province etc. How does that sound? Phan District etc now needs dabbiong and the others wiki linked dabbed etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
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I've created Template:Caspar-Werke aircraft as requested in AFC. Chzz ► 02:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi again Pete -- I notice a few links to the aviastar.org website creeping into citations in the List of Aircraft. Unfortunately, we shouldn't link to this site because of its blatant copyright infringements. See WP:AVIASTAR for more details. Keep up the great work! :) Cheers -- Rlandmann ( talk) 01:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello Dear Sir, You mentioned that you had offered Narang night raid up for deletion. Was there a WP:AFD on this? I wasn't able to find any record of it. Thanks V7-sport ( talk) 02:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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I just came across this and this. The redirects are the correct version otherwise you could end up with two articles about the same thing but with different content. Are there any others like that? The thing is that if there are and what should be the redirect has been edited since it will need a move to merge the history. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather ( talk) 03:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you were aiming at with this group of edits? The result ended up getting given a stub tag and turning up for stub-sorting but I'm not sure whether it's supposed to be a redirect, an article, a comment that it ought not to exist, or what! Could you clarify? And I think I may have come across another similar (unless I just spotted this one before). PamD ( talk) 13:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
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Evening Petebutt. Please don't delete any more cns from revisions to this article. They are there for a reason and have taken some time to sort out. In a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft/Engines#Lists again it was pointed out that our engine list was a particularly bad example of uncited material and that it needed sorting. For some manufacturers a single source covers all the engines, so we thought that a header Source:Lumsden<lumsden ref> would do the trick without loads of repeated, identical refs. Quite often, many but not all engines have a single source. We agreed that something like Source:Gunston<Gunston ref> except where noted would be an economical way forward, giving individual refs to those engines not in the main source for that manufacturer, or a cn to show that this engine was not in the main ref and that we had not yet found a ref for it. Leaving it un-noted would imply it was in the main ref, which it was not. Having gone through Gunston and any other easy reference text, we can than turn to the cns and should be able to replace many with good cites. The best place to debate this further, if you want to, is probably on the Engines#Lists again page where we can get the opinions of others. TSRL ( talk) 19:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Pete! Thank you for your kind remarks about the new article. Unfortunately, as you correctly surmised, there's not a lot published on this pretty little design. I looked up the Flight archive, but their references to it were minimal. Also, and surprisingly, the coverage on the Aviafrance website is very poor - not even an image. I would hope that other Wiki reviewers would look for quality rather than overblown quantity of narrative. What's there is accurate and to-the-point - I hope! I continue to add my photos to image-less articles (the Kay Gyroplane is coming up), and am working on one or three other less well-known types. Best wishes RuthAS ( talk) 22:22, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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You don't think Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov aircraft carrier is a) a rather unwieldy article title b) against the Wikiproject SHIPs naming convention? GraemeLeggett ( talk) 19:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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G'day from Oz; the name I chose was bothering me a lot as being clumsy and I was tossing up a rename, so thanks for making the decision for me :-) Cheers YSSYguy ( talk) 01:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Evening Pete, Thanks for adding the company link. However, on the alternative name, aerofiles appears to show that the Kreider-Reisner A Midget was a completely different machine - see photo of a low wing monoplane. Unless I'm missing something, revert? TSRL ( talk) 19:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Petebutt I was asked to look at a move you made from SOKO to Soko Vazduhoplovna Industrija, ro Vazduhoplovstvo which has been reverted, although I appreciate the change was made in good faith it is one of many moves that you make that have had to be reverted. This is English wikipedia and Soko Vazduhoplovna Industrija, ro Vazduhoplovstvo could never be considered the common name in English for the company. Can I suggest that because of the problems with your renames you should really make move requests on article talk pages before making any more moves, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for finding a ref for this aircraft type article! I would have hated to have someone nominate it for deletion as "non-notable"! - Ahunt ( talk) 12:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
A bold idea to generate articles for each specification at List of Air Ministry Specifications, but I feel too ambitious. Most would be stubs and the rest duplicates of content already existing in aircraft articles. Also they would need to be in form "Air Ministry Specification C.xx/yy" for consistency. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 20:42, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
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Replacing a redirect with a note that says "this is a bad redirect" is not appropriate or acceptable practice on Wikipedia, however; you're entitled and welcome to fix the problem, but not to use articlespace to create metacommentary about articlespace. Thanks. Bearcat ( talk) 17:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the edits on this. I seem to have rushed it and got more errors than usual. One query about sources: you say the 342/2 had a Gipsy II and enclosed cockpits, whereas Howson says Gipsy Major and does not mention the glazing. Could you add a ref to make it clear that particular info is not from Howson? TSRL ( talk) 09:55, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I moved this back to where it was. The correct company name is ProFe, according to the company themselves and not Pro FE. You have been asked many times to discuss page moves before you make them. Can you please start doing this, as you are making a lot of unnecessary work by not gaining consensus first. - Ahunt ( talk) 11:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Yep, very odd, but the only reference I found for that engine gave pounds as the units. I agree, turboprops do convert a high percentage of their power as torque to the prop, and have some, but often very little, thrust from the exhaust. I am searching for more data on the engine, and am now reading a 550+ page book on engine development during and after WWII. Regards, Buster40004 Talk 00:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for adding Windward Performance and the Windward Performance Perlan II to the list, you beat me to it! - Ahunt ( talk) 18:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Go ahead and delete the lists if you want. I'm in full support. I'm sorry if I caused any kind of harm to Wikipedia by making them, I was just trying to add information that might be useful to other individuals. Sorry again. 707 ( talk) 18:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me that. Next time, I'll try and do something more encyclopedic. 707 ( talk) 21:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted you change to the Boeing B-29 Superfortress variants article you cant just copy and paste one article into another, it is a variant article and most of the stuff is not relevant. You now have more than one article tagged for a move discussion but so far have not raised a discussion or made a comment anywhere. Please take care, get some agreement and we can merge or whatever properly when you have a consensus, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 19:33, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
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P.S. Postwar all the Polish company acronyms seem to be written without punctuation,so Pre-war P.Z.L. and postwar PZL Petebutt ( talk) 01:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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Copyedit from my talk page:"Just for your interest DDmonth yyyy and Monthdd, yyyy are acceptable to wikipedia as long as usage is consistent within the article ,see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. I was half way through reverting when I thought I had better check. Petebutt ( talk) 02:53, 23 December 2011 (UTC)"
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A bit of clarity is emerging, see the Monocque talk page for more if you have not already. If your 'reliable source' is [ [4]], I would say that it is almost entirely wrong from the word 'Type A'. Most photos are wrongly titled. I'vspent a lot of time ovr the past two months or so looking at photos of Deperdussins, so that is no casual slur. And the same site says some vry very dubious things about Voisin Canard, for which the only backup I can find are Gabriel V's 'autobiography', which is generally agreed to be a work of fiction. (I can reference that, btw!). It makes one very grteful for the Putnam books. TheLongTone ( talk) 23:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
(Infuriatingly, you can download the 1910 issues from the Smithsonian, but if they've scanned & put up any other years, I havn't found them). I'm going to grit my teeth & finish off the Type A article, which includes the Type B, which is sort of a Type Aa, & also the 1911 military trials aircraft. It seems to me it's better to have one reasonably substantial article than three that from a technical point of view largely repeat eachother, especially when the actual type designations are shaky. You will have noticed that the Shuttleworth collection don't bother with a type designation. TheLongTone ( talk) 22:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Staib The Monster, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to an article talk page, file description page, file talk page, MediaWiki page, MediaWiki talk page, category talk page, portal talk page, template talk page, help talk, user page, user talk or special page from the main/article space.
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Thanks for reviewing this article and deeming it worthy of a "C" rating. I note in your review that it lacks only sufficient references and citations to become a "B" article. I have added a new source, reworded the article throughout and added a couple of new sections to remediate this shortfall. If you have a spare moment, I ask you give it a second look to see what else can be done to improve its rating. Buster40004 Talk 04:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Cheers Peter. Uhlan ( talk) 04:11, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey there Peter. Just asking if you know of any templates that list Dornier aircraft? Thanks. Uhlan ( talk) 05:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, why did you move the article? The citations are use the term Harbin Z-19! JunoBeach ( talk) 22:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)