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Hello! Welcome to one of my Archive Pages. This page contains all comments and discussions that took place on my User Talk Page, were inactive for 15 days or more, and have been archived by a robot. If you would like to leave me a new message or revive some old discussion please leave me a note at my current talk page found here. Thanks and All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 17:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)




ACC

Hi.. I just want to make sure I didn't make a mistake. I just saw your approval that I'd deferred to admins; I was concerned that there is currently a block on that IP. Should I have approved it without deferral? Prince of Canada t | c 10:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I apologize for taking so long to get back to you, I have been very busy of late and have not had a lot of time to be on Wikipedia :(, anyways to answer your question, I went ahead and created the account, because the block was of a short duration, and the IP did not have a long history of vandalism, in addition, most IP's are shared, so I saw no harm in creating the account. You didn't make a mistake by deferring the request to admins, but in the future; you can, if you chose, use your judgment; in creating the account or not, and when in doubt, it is better to defer it to admins as you did :). I hope I answered your question, and if you have any more questions please feel free to ask :). All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 19:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Liscense for Chuck Redd.jpg

I inserted verbage releasing the image into public domain. Allenstone ( talk) 05:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, your Image is fine now :), my bot tagged your image as not having copyright information because it lacked a License Tag and now that you added a License tag to the Image, it should be fine and will not be deleted :). If you have any other questions feel free to ask :). All the Best :), -- Mifter ( talk) 19:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi

How u doin? Haven't spoken in a while. I'm doing fine how are you? Chubb enna itor 19:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey there Chubbennaitor, its good to see you again, I'm doing great and I'm glad to hear that you doing good too :). Anyways, I've been really busy lately, but then again that is life :), anyways great seeing you again :). All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 19:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

AAU reminder notice

A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)
Hey there Mifter! This is a friendly reminder to update your status at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters whenever it is appropriate in order to provide new users with the most up-to-date information on available adopters. Also please note that we will be removing adopters who have not edited in 60 days. If you become active again (and we hope you do!) please feel free to re-add yourself. Cheers!
  • Notice delivery by xenobot 14:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Archive Trouble

I had a little Trouble with the Archiving bot. It started off with Archive 3 instead of 1. How can I fix this? I mean, the page. I got the bot controls sorted. -- SWJS: The All Knowing Destroy All Humans! Nerd( Cortex Scan) 19:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done; Hi there, I moved the archive page to User talk:SWJS/Archive 1 for you, and I also fixed all of the Wikilinks pointing to the old page, so now the bot should continue archiving as normal to User talk:SWJS/Archive 1. If you have any more questions feel free to ask :). All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 01:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Sweet, now that the bot isn't zapping my talk page with lazors, I can have a nice tidy talk page :3. -- SWJS: The All Knowing Destroy All Humans! Nerd( Cortex Scan) 06:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Fabricio Werdum Image

Thanks for the heads up Mifter. I believe we fixed the problem. Please check and get back to us at your earliest convenience.

Ebayrockstar ( talk) 02:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, your Image is fine now :), my bot tagged your image as not having copyright information because it lacked a License Tag and now that you added a License tag to the Image, it should be fine and will not be deleted :). If you have any other questions feel free to ask :). All the Best :), -- Mifter ( talk) 19:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on my profile

Hey, I uploaded a picture, but i deleted it almost instantly. Thanks. Ffgamera ( talk) 03:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

La Toma image

I added the license information-- Ancheta Wis ( talk) 16:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, your Image is fine now :), my bot tagged your image as not having copyright information because it lacked a License Tag and now that you added a License tag to the Image, it should be fine and will not be deleted :). If you have any other questions feel free to ask :). All the Best :), -- Mifter ( talk) 19:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Status report on the Country outlines (Around the World) project

Penubag has been hard at work developing awards for this project. He has completed a very professional looking medal, and is almost done with a trophy that is truly awesome - both of these awards are visually stunning.

I and a few others have been working steadily on the country outlines - one for every country of the world! They're shaping up nicely. So far, 28 of them have been moved to article space - these aren't complete, but they are complete enough to be made available for readers to benefit from them. The rest of the set still includes temporary data that was generated by template (because it matched most but not all of the countries), and before the lists can be moved to article space, all the temporary data needs to be checked for accuracy, and if incorrect it needs to be replaced with correct information.

The effort on the lists has been on 3 fronts:

  1. Working on the lists in article space to complete them so they will be good examples for editors working on the rest of the set.
  2. Adding or correcting other data (fixing redlinks, filling in blanks, etc.). The main type of work participants in "the contest" will be doing. The reason we're doing this is to get a feel for it, to develop the fastest methods for each type of task, etc.
  3. Improving the overall design and implenting changes on all 247 pages, whether in article space or not.

There has been some opposition to us running the contest based on edit counts or iterations. The concern is that we should reward quality work and not quantity, for fear of crappy edits done quickly without thought. I pointed out that the collection of pages are drafts in the Wikipedia namespace (therefore posing no danger to article space) and that most of the work needs to be done with power tools like AWB and Linky (which are specifically designed for repetitive work), but the reply was that we shouldn't set the precedent of rewarding barnstars for numerically-based tasks, and implied the threat of continuously MfD'ing the contest if we attempted to do so (like they did with the Awards Center - I was very surprised and disappointed that participants didn't step up to defend it). So we need to be careful in determining what exactly the awards will represent, and how they will be awarded.

Since rewarding iterations (passes with AWB on all of the pages in the set) are out, we really don't need the globe in stand anymore. Two awards should suffice.

Once we get started with the contest, I'd like to kick the whole thing off with a round of medals for those dedicated few who have worked hard on the project so far.

What do you think of all of this?

Your comments and suggestions are most welcome.

The Transhumanist    23:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Here is a barnstar for your hard work beating me to the reverts! Chris lk02 Chris Kreider 02:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

< ontcolor="red">Happy Halloween!

Have a good one! Police,Mad,Jack ( talk · contribs) 11:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia announces launch of new Valued pictures project

The official VP seal

The project goes live for nominations on 10 November, 2008 at 0:00 UTC

This Wikipedia Valued pictures project sets out to identify and encourage users' efforts in providing valuable images of high encyclopedic value, and to build up a resource for editors from other Wikimedia projects seeking such educational images for use online. The project also provides recognition to contributors who have made an effort to contribute enyclopedic images of difficult subjects which are very hard or nigh on impossible to obtain. The project will run alongside the existing Wikipedia Featured pictures and Picture peer review projects.

Please visit Valued picture candidates to nominate an image, or to help review the nominations. Anyone with an account on Wikipedia is welcome to nominate images, and also to take part in the open review process.

The Wikipedia valued picture project has opened for nominations. Please feel free to nominate an image at WP:VPC today!

Elucidate ( parlez à moi) Ici pour humor 17:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

G4 tagging

Hello Archive 4. Thanks for the newpages patrol! Regarding Mine4ever which you tagged for speedy deletion as a repost, I just wanted to drop by to tell you that CSD G4 only applies to pages previously deleted after discussion, at an XfD forum such as at AfD. It does not apply to pages that were only previously speedy deleted, as this article was. Note also that even when an article was previously deleted on the merits, G4 is only applicable where the reposted article is substantially identical to the deleted version and any changes in the recreated page do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted. Cheers. Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, that was my error :), thanks for the template message (Joking :P, I don't really mind if I get a template every once an a while :) ), anyways, thanks for the heads up, I'll make sure not to use CSD G4 for re-created speedy deleted articles :). Also, thanks for taking the time to tell me of my error, as the quote at the top of my talk page says, criticism is something to learn from and not to be angry with. So thanks for informing me of my mistake and All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 00:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Glad to help. You are not alone by the way. The reason that template exists is because G4 is so often misapplied. I know, being templated can be annoying. It is informative and hey, the job of a template is so we don't have to reinvent the wheel right? I do admit though, I didn't check your contributions to see if you were a regular so apologies for not tailoring my message. Cheers.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Its fine :), I understand that typing out a response can take a while :). When I get Image complaints about my bot especially when I get 5-6 of the exact same ones, its just so much easier to leave a template to help them out then typing essentially the same thing 5 times :P, especially when a template can do the same job so much quicker :), and your right that we don't need to reinvent the wheel every time we need to tell someone something :). But once again thanks for the heads up and All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 00:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hah, sorry

It's always a bit of a mess when the call to arms is answered simultaneously. I think the duplicates and reverts were so close together than no one will really notice though. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) ( talk) 02:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's Fine, I've done the same thing of plenty of times :P. Thanks and All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 23:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Good shooting Tex!

Recently you left a message on my talk page [1] where you first thanked me “for reverting (my) recent experiment” and then asked that in the future, “please do not experiment on article pages; instead, use the sandbox.” I would offer that had you taken the time to actually look at the edits I made [2] [3] that you might not have been so quick on the trigger with your admonition. Cheers! 206.211.166.17 ( talk) 15:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, I apologize for my mistake :(, I was looking at your IP and when I compared it to the IP of the person that you had reverted, I mistakenly thought that they were the same IP, and as such I gave you a template message. Once again I apologize for my mistake and I thank you for taking the time to tell me of my mistake so that in the future I won't make the same mistake. As the motto on the top of my talk page says, criticism is something to appreciate and learn from not to loathe so thanks for telling of my mistake and All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 22:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

It wasnt unconstructive i fixed the name of an image that had been changed by vandals tidied it up a bit and re named a section so it was more correct and factual, now a section isnt correct and there isnt an image just a red link! 62.56.103.106 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC).

Re: Ken Fogarty

 Done. I got an oversight on IRC to take care of the rest. Cheers, – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

List of United States Senators in the 79th Congress by seniority

Hi. With respect to the extremely unusual situation at List of United States Senators in the 79th Congress by seniority, I just wanted to let you know that it actually is an infringement, but of another Wikipedian. The article with its attribution history is located at User:Dr who1975/sandbox. I have no idea how User:JoseAwfulman came to paste this content into article space! It does not seem to be an alternate account, as User:Dr who1975 is still active. I'll do a history merge and let Dr who1975 know what's up, while also advising JoseAwfulman why cut & paste moves are inappropriate on Wikipedia. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:19, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK update

Sorry about my intrusion into your update. I started adding that hook before you placed the "in use" template, so I wanted to finish... I'll stay out of your way now. -- Orlady ( talk) 19:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, it no problem and thanks for the message about your mistake :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 19:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Question

Hi. I was wondering what happened to my DYK nomination. It looks like you deleted it with the edit summary "good".

Is there a "holding pen" for upcoming DYKs, or was the deletion accidental? Thanks. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 22:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I apologize for that, the deletion was accidental, I had moved the hook to the Next Update, but I had an edit conflict with one of the other volunteers, and that edit conflict caused a loss of session data, and then when I re-added the hooks that were caught in the edit conflict, I must have accidentally not seen yours and as a result it wasn't re-added to the next update. I have just gone and added the hook to the next update, so it should soon be on the Main Page. Thank you for notifying me of my mistake, as the motto at the top of my talk page says, criticism is something to praise and to better yourself from and not to condemn, so once again I apologize for my mistake and thank you for taking the time to inform me of it. Thanks and All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 01:43, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 02:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Malka

If you read my page, it said it is a work in progress. I am finishing it soon, and then showing it to established editors to help improve it.

-- Flashflash; ( talk) 21:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I just re-read your article, and I didn't see anything mentioning that it is a work in progress and that is why I tagged it to be deleted, but anyways, if you would like to create a draft of a page and then have other editors review it, then I suggest you create a user subpage and then write/edit your article there as to prevent it from being deleted before you have finished writing/editing, and once its ready then you can move it to the article space. I hope this help, and if you have any more questions please feel free to ask :). All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 21:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anime girl cherry ( talkcontribs) 22:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello

HI! Bbcody ( talk) 18:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Goallover

Hello - i understand what you are saying about "goallover" entry, and will do my best to write a better and more generic explanation of what it is. After all, it is a new word, introduced into language in 2001. Robin —Preceding unsigned comment added by GOALLOVER ( talkcontribs) 18:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Next update

Thanks for your work but I notice all seven eight hooks you've picked are non-U.S. ones. Can you please replace at least one or two of them with U.S. hooks? Thanks. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 00:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done, I usually check to make sure that there is not too many US hooks to maintain the balance, this is the first time, where I accidentally added too few US hooks :P. All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 00:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
He he, When I was doing the last update I was amazed at how little verified US hooks there were. \ / ( | ) 00:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Your adoptee

I seem to be getting into a dispute with your adoptee User:cbreseman. If that adoption is still live would you care to read User talk:WereSpielChequers#Don't, any suggestions as to how the situation can be defused would be welcome. Ϣere Spiel Chequers 13:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately User:cbreseman has had to be blocked. Ϣere Spiel Chequers 22:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, I have been really busy as of late and I apologize for taking over a month to reply :(. First off thanks for taking the time to inform me of this, Cbreseman had gone inactive for a while, so I assumed that he no longer wished to continue the adoption so I never really checked in on him anymore, and from what I can see from his last contributions before the block, I don't think there would have been much I could have done to help out aside from telling him to take some time to calm down, which numerous other editors had already told him to do. All and All, I feel bad that I wasn't able to help out with trying to settle things calmly and avoid blocks, even though I don't think I could have been much of a help :(. All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 00:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi!

Long, long, log etc. time no [s]see[/s] write. I'm doing fine my distant friend. Life serving you well? Chubb enna itor 20:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Chubbennaitor! Its good to hear from you again, I've been doing fine recently, I've been rather busy which has made things a little bit hectic, but otherwise I'm doing great! :). All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 00:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Mumbai Fire Service

I saw your interest in developing content on the Mumbai fire service. Do you think there would be enough interest or information to create one on India's fire service in general? Do you think there would be enough contributors? If so, we would be happy to create an indian fork of our project thefirewiki.org. If this is something you would like to take on... leave me a message on my talk page.-- Mfinney ( talk) 05:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm not quiet sure what you mean, I have never expressed any interest in working with articles pertaining to the Mumbai fire service, or any Mumbai related article, nor have I ever edited any Mumbai related articles. If you need any help with an article or in anything else, then I would be happy to help you :) and all you ever have to do is ask :). All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 00:31, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Quick apology

Hey, just wanted to apologize for erroneously reverting your edits on Template talk:Did you know. Resulting from hastily-made late night RC trawling. Felt like an idiot. anamexis ( talk) 00:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, Its fine we all make mistakes ;), and I've made my fair share of bad reverts in the past using Huggle (Although never to any pages outside the mainspace :P) No harm done, and thanks for taking the time to apologize :). All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 23:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Huttonite

Updated DYK query On 18 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Huttonite, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen ( talk) 17:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating it Mifter, this came as a surprise :) THEN WHO WAS PHONE? ( talk) 23:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK template

Hi, I'd just like to let you know what the template {{ DYKsug}} was just updated with a new feature: now, for all DYK nominations that include only one article, it auto-generates the credit templates ({{ DYKmake}} and {{ DYKnom}}), which the person moving the hook to Next may simply cut and past from T:TDYK directly into next. This only happens with single-article nominations; if the nomination has more than one article, there will be a message in the template saying "Credits must be done manually by the person moving this nomination to Next" or something like that. It will probably be a few days before you start seeing the auto-generated credit templates, since the template was only just updated and only the new nominations will reflect it; the first several times you see auto-generated credit templates, you may want to double-check the nom as you are promoting it, just to make sure the credits are correct.

There have been some other minor changes—mainly, now if a DYK nominator lists himself as both "creator/expander" and "nominator," the "nominator" field ends up blank (so that what gets displayed is "Created by User, self nom" rather than "[[Created by User, nominated by User." Also, the fields, |collaborator=, |collaborator2=, and |collaborator3= have been replaced with the more intuitive |creator2=, |creator3=, and |creator4=.

Please let me know if you experience any problems with the new template. — Politizer  talk/ contribs 15:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Payson Chapin

Updated DYK query On 20 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Edward Payson Chapin, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen ( talk) 05:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas. Chubb enna itor 17:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas :)!!! All the Best, -- Mifter ( talk) 00:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
You sound well. You were down beat last I heard of you. Hope you meat everyone who will bring you laughter. Chubb enna itor 13:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Next Update

Hi Mifter. I noticed you completed the next update I had started. Just in case you didn't notice, the update, at the moment, has no US hooks. » \ / ( | ) 00:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Matthias Dolderer

Updated DYK query On 21 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Matthias Dolderer, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen ( talk) 06:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrong message

Arbcom? LOL :-D -- BorgQueen ( talk) 18:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, sorry about that :P, I had given all of the new arbcom elects my card, and when I went to give it to the rest of my friends I forgot to drop the congratulatory bit at the end ;). All the Best Mifter ( talk) 01:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Right back at you!

DYK for Lego Modular Houses Theme

Updated DYK query On 21 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lego Modular Houses Theme, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen ( talk) 18:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about this premature notification. The hook will appear in the next update. Let's call it even. :-D -- BorgQueen ( talk) 18:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the first day of winter card. Have a cookie!

ErikTheBikeMan ( talk) 22:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

First Day of Winter?

It's 35 °C (95 °F) outside! :P » \ / ( | ) 23:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, its less than 15 °F (−9 °C) with 2 feet of snow and more still falling where I live :P. -- Mifter ( talk) 23:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Ah yes, I remember the good ol' days back in Florida... I'm with you now, Mifter. :P · AndonicO Engage. 23:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
And it's about -3 F here in Minnesota and I just got done blowing several inches of snow. It's winter all right. ErikTheBikeMan ( talk) 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons greetings!

Thanks for the first day of winter card! We don't really have winter here though. 30 °C as always ;) Chamal talk 01:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Woop!

The star of David (My name). Chubb enna itor 09:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Mifter/Archive 4! Wishing you a very Merry Christmas!

Best regards from myself! -- Police,Mad,Jack ( talk · contribs) 09:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)strong> (Merry Christmas!)
Post this merry message on any other user talk page you can find.

DYK nomination of Frank Peterman

Hello! Your submission of Frank Peterman at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Jamie S93 20:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Symphurus thermophilus

Updated DYK query On 26 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Symphurus thermophilus, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen ( talk) 06:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Military of the Confederate States of America

They found a problem on TT:DYK about your article Military of the Confederate States of America. You might like to check up on it.-- Gen. Bedford his Forest 08:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Interception of the Rex

Updated DYK query On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Interception of the Rex, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cbl62 08:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Magnolia Grove (Greensboro, Alabama)

Updated DYK query On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Magnolia Grove (Greensboro, Alabama), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cbl62 08:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Water supply and sanitation in Senegal

Updated DYK query On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Water supply and sanitation in Senegal, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky ( talk) 14:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Fyodor Ivanovich Tolstoy

Updated DYK query On 27 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fyodor Ivanovich Tolstoy, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky ( talk) 14:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I NEED URGENTLY HELP MIFTER

help me with the speedy deletion of a article !! i don't want it deleted please help me !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by FedeContreras ( talkcontribs) 06:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for USS Wildwood (PC-1181)

Updated DYK query On 29 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article USS Wildwood (PC-1181), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt ( talk) 15:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Marine Corps Test Unit

Updated DYK query On 29 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Marine Corps Test Unit, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt ( talk) 15:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Future Routemaster

Updated DYK query On 29 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Future Routemaster, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Sandstein 21:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk Back and Merry christmas and Happy new year.

Hi I am back with a long break! Sir I got your talk back but I dont know which message is for me! can you post that message on my talk page -- Suyog talk to me! 06:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Can you please take a look at this hook under 27 December at T:TDYK? I feel that the initial hook is the best wording, and otherwise everything else checks out fine as far as DYK criteria - just no one has bothered to slap the Verified symbol on it yet. Thank you for your time, Cirt ( talk) 04:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for William Cowper Alexander

Updated DYK query On 31 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Cowper Alexander, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt ( talk) 11:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2009

Wish you and you family a Happy and Prosperous New year-- Suyog talk to me! 12:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year Suyogaerospace! :) -- Mifter ( talk) 16:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Johannes Scherg

Hello! Your submission of Johannes Scherg at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dabomb87 ( talk) 17:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jussi Halla-aho

Hello! Your submission of Jussi Halla-aho at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dravecky ( talk) 02:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Jussi Halla-aho

Updated DYK query On 2 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jussi Halla-aho, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass ( talk) 12:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Tualatin Valley Junior Academy DYK nomination

I checked off this as correct, but I left a little note saying that only one inauguration was given a reference in the page. I provided a link to show that the other inauguration did feature the group, but this should be addressed within the article. Please leave a note there when it is (just add another reference). Ottava Rima ( talk) 23:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Iminoglycinuria

Updated DYK query On 6 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Iminoglycinuria, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

» \ / ( | ) 02:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Cullen Performance Hall

Updated DYK query On 7 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cullen Performance Hall, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Dravecky ( talk) 08:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tualatin Valley Junior Academy

Updated DYK query On 7 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tualatin Valley Junior Academy, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- BorgQueen ( talk) 15:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Same

Hello! Your submission of Battle of Same at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Xasodfuih ( talk) 18:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

False Positive-Dr. Al Carroll Redirect

Dear Mifter: The redirect from Dr. Al Carroll to Bad Eagle is an error. Al Carroll has nothing to do with Bad Eagle. I am trying to correct this error.

This is not vandalism. This is a correction.

Please allow me to make this correction. I have tried several times to correct this, and my correction has been disallowed.

DavidAYeagley ( talk) 02:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for 1933 Treasure Coast hurricane

Updated DYK query On 9 January, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1933 Treasure Coast hurricane, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Dravecky ( talk) 11:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK queue creation questions

I do appreciate your taking the time and effort to create queues of hooks for DYK but I have two areas of concern. First, the queues need a better balance between biographical hooks that focus on a person and non-biographical hooks. 50% bios is the suggested balance in the guidelines. They also need balance for subject matter so there shouldn't be too many hooks about sports or film or music in any one queue. They also needs global balance so while 50% of the hooks should have a US tie per the guidelines, the others should be from different countries and the US hooks should be from different states. Your three most recently constructed queues have not matched these guidelines. Second, the last two queues you assembled each had a couple of extra creator credits for editors that had nothing to do with the articles in question. These credits were not present in the original nomination so I am curious as to how they were introduced into the credits list. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, a partial answer to my own question: it appears you added credits for the original creators of expanded articles but these credits are only for the editors who made the recent edits that either created or expanded the article in the five-day window for DYK consideration. An editor who created a stub in 2006 doesn't get a credit when another editor expands it to useful length in 2009. - Dravecky ( talk) 18:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi there Dravecky, here are some of the answers of your questions :), first off, this queue has 7 of 9 hooks bio hooks (A bit unbalanced I agree ;), but I grabbed what hooks were expiring first, and bio hooks made up the majority of approved expiring hooks, although I tried to grab more diverse bio hooks ;) ) then there's 4 of 9 hooks that are US related, which is generally considered fine, then theres the states rule which I frankly have never heard of, even though it sound like a good idea, so I never bothered checking for balance about that before ;) although I'll be sure in the future to take a look which states US hooks are from ;). The other queues that I put together I'll take a look at but for credits, per Wikipedia:DYK#Recognition and this part
and up to now, me and a bunch of the other DYK volunteers have been giving credits to the users who had written the articles withoug anyone caring, so I'm going to make a note on WT:DYK to see what the other DYK "regulars" think about this and some of the other things you asked :). Thanks for the heads up about this and even though I've been doing DYK sense about March theres always something to learn :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 20:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Response to Mifterbot

Leave my article alone: I am the original writer of the article which you could have easily checked before you posted above, accusing me of vandalism. I am simply undoing obvious acts of vandalism / deletion by users such as ANISH7. Look at the History of the page before posting! Xghostfacexx ( talk) 12:43, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, first off in response to your question, I used a WP:BOT to leave the message on your talk page about you forgetting a license in an Image you uploaded. Secondly, I suggest you read WP:OWN before continuing ;), others are free to edit work that you have written for better and unfortunately sometimes for worse. Finally, if you look at your talk pages history, it was not my bot that left the vandalism warning it was Anish7 ( talk · contribs · count); See here this is what my bot left originally before Anish7 adding a warning on the 12th [4]. Also, I thank you for taking the time to bring this to my attention, I truely appreciated feedback wither it be good or bad :). If you have anything else that you would like to bring to my attention, please feel free to ask :), Thanks and All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 22:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Mifter for voting in my successfully closed RfA! I'm glad that you trust me. Ping me if you need anything! Best regards, -- Kanonkas :  Talk  18:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Bla-bla and everything is gone: wiki/Soir

Thanks, but I get a message from you, while it's someone else who deleted the page. So lets guess: One is sending me to the other, or something, then I have to study some guidelines for sometime. Yes, I'd that a few weeks before; and the one I gave a message, said he was not responsable for it; go away, try some other people, study a month on the rules, so only advanced wikipedians can get trough, etc. What are you guys/girls doing here destroying other peoples work that easily? I'm not a wikipedia expert like yoyu and neither wont I study for that. I'm just a bit more than an avergae user and had quite good input about all there was to find about the subject. So please let that up to others who have more input on that page..??!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soir

So I don't have more info and if you don't leave the page, or put it onto a list so others can attribute to it, then it will be gone for nothing. Cooperation on wikipedia instead of corporate competition between colleagues?

Then, as far as I know, Drupal doesn't ask money, so that commercial argument of yours is strange. Apache is used by many and if commercial, it's used by most non-commercial orgs. Both have extensive wikipedia pages, but just not for this Soir subject. Free Cyborg ( talk) 04:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Jussi Halla-aho

Hi Mifter, some user's are trying to remove notable and sourced information from the article Jussi Halla-aho that you nominated at Did you know earlier. In my opinion article's neutrality is in danger. If you are interrested in participating the discussion please see Talk:Jussi Halla-aho. Klassikkomies ( talk) 20:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Keith Schwab

Just a friendly note on Keith Schwab. I declined the speedy because that lengthy awards section is a definite claim of notability. Granted, he shouldn't have removed the speedy (well, he shouldn't write an autobiography either), but when you re-added the tag, importance was clearly claimed.

If you think the article still needs to go, you might want to try AfD. Cheers!-- Fabrictramp | talk to me 01:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 80 support, 2 oppose, and 1 neutral. I appreciate all the comments I received and will endeavor to justify the trust the community has placed in me. R'n'B ( call me Russ) 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Keith Schwab

Hi Mifter! I am sorry if I am doing this all wrong, please forgive any mistakes. I am starting to get involved in work outside of the laboratory, especially with my involvement with the World Economic Forum as a Young Global Leader, and I thought having a short bio on Wikipedia would make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithschwab ( talkcontribs) 21:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day, Mifter/Archive 4, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

Willking1979 ( talk) 15:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Progress report: Country outlines

Development has been slow but continuous:

Penubag has done a fantastic job on the images for the awards we'll be using for our project's collaborations and contests. We now have 3 awards: a medal, a trophy, and a race ribbon. They all look tight. The trophy needs a small adjustment, but other than that, all 3 award images are complete and ready to use to create awards with.

Spartaz has warned us of (threatened to take) G4 (speedy delete) action if we run a competition that resembles the previously deleted Awards Center page. So whatever we do, any contests we run must differ substantially from the methods used there.

One type of competition I've been exploring is edit racing. I'm in the process of working the bugs out of this concept - the first race didn't work as expected - you see, because we only had an award for first place, the opponent didn't think it worthwhile to continue once it was clear who the winner would be. And since editors are in different time zones and usually need to start the race at different times, we need to base winning on personal start times - he who completes his assigned edits in the least time (rather than first), wins. And last but not least is quality control. What good is winning if your edits are ripe with errors? So I'll be exploring possibilities such as using a referee (whoever is overseeing a particular race), having participants watching each other for errors to knock them back, etc. I'm not sure yet.

Rich Farmbrough has been applying his bot expertise to filling in blanks in the country outlines (the population and area entries). I'm amazed at the number of edits he pumps out each day on a myriad of projects - ours makes up but a small time slice of his activity, and yet he has saved us many hours of manual work. Perhaps we should look into how he gets so much done.  :)

Zlerman has chosen to work on one outline at a time, and is taking on Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. He also has been keen on noticing and reporting design issues pertaining to the whole set of country outlines. Keep up the good work!

Highfields has been filling in the names of capitals, and is our first race winner. Check out the award on his user pages.

As you probably know, this project has expanded to include working on any and all sets of pages that are linked to from the country outlines. Once the set of country outlines go live (in article space), traffic will likely increase for all the links included on them. The quality and usefulness of those pages will reflect heavily on the country outlines (the outlines, which are essentially lists of links, are only as good as the links they present), and therefore we've branched out to solve the biggest problems with those as well. So far, we've taken on:

  • The creation of disambiguation pages for country adjectivals (" German", " French", " Taiwanese", etc. About half done.)
  • The clean-up of the CIA World Factbook statistics on the "demographics of" country pages. We've been renaming those sections to provide a key string that AWB can use for targetting (for skipping and filtering). Once that's done, we'll be able to break the clean-up down into simple AWB search/replace tasks, because we'll be able to target just those pages that include the CIA stuff.
  • Renaming the "Cuisine of" articles to their adjectival forms ("Chinese cuisine", "Italian cuisine", etc.)

Blackadam2 and Thehelpfulone have been helping out with the "demographics of" pages mentioned above.

And we have a couple speed addicts (addicted to wiki-velocity, not drugs)...

Both Robert Skyhawk and Thehelpfulone prefer (and excel at) simple AWB search/replaces. Robert hasn't actually joined our team yet, but he has been helping out quite a bit from the sidelines (via the WP:AWB/Tasks page. Unfortunately, there has recently been a non-AWB chore that has been holding things up on the AWB front - an edit to all the the headings which had to be reverted before too many new edits were made, because any new edits would make the reversion more difficult. The headings have been restored, so now the way is clear for AWB operations, and there are many search/replace tasks in the queue. AWB assignments have started again!

There's a similar bottleneck on the "Demographics of" pages (the "keying" mentioned above), but that's almost cleared too.  :)

With my internet access somewhat crippled, I've been finding it difficult to keep up with you guys. However, I expect to be accessing a Linky-capable workstation on a faster server (I'm on it right now, as you can probably tell from my contributions list for today), and so I should really pick up speed. Feels goooooood.  :)

Recruiting has been a bit slow (but steady), due in part to my crippled access, and because we've been waiting for the images for the awards to be completed. I expect the team to grow more rapidly as the bottlenecks are removed.

Well that's what's been happenin', and here's what's in the pipeline...

I'm about to begin work on a set of lists that corresponds to all the standard links on the country outlines, and these will be presented on the Topic outline of countries which will be organized exactly like the country outlines. Aside from being an extremely useful navigation aid, it will allow editors to easily see the state of country coverage on Wikipedia. I'll provide you with a link once I get up to speed on this.

In the meantime, keep up the good work!

Cheers,

The Transhumanist    05:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Beverly Eckert

Updated DYK query On 22 February, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Beverly Eckert, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass ( talk) 12:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Steven Coppola

Updated DYK query On February 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Steven Coppola, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Dravecky ( talk) 02:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gloster Survey

Updated DYK query On 4 March, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gloster Survey, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator ( talk) 01:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Re-Tagging of Images

The images File:Sullivan and Cromwell Logo 1.svg , File:Boston Consulting Group Logo 1.svg , File:Simpson Thacher and Bartlett Graphic Logo 1.svg , File:Jones Day Logo 1.svg , File:Paul Weiss Logo 1.svg , and File:Debevoise and Plimpton Logo 1.svg were incorrectly re-tagged as copyrighted logos despite the fact that I had previously flagged them as a text logos .

-- Frank.trampe ( talk) 21:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gloster Gannet

Updated DYK query On 5 March, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gloster Gannet, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Dravecky ( talk) 04:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Country outlines project update - 2009/03/08

Things have been slowing down again, so it's time for a big push...

We've gone live

This project needed a shot in the arm. Also, its draft pages have been littering Wikipedia's categories for months. The time seemed right to move all the country outline drafts to article space.

WHAT???

Well, the drafts had been sitting in Wikipedia space for a year.

WHAT???

Development has been moving at a snail's pace and we could use the help of the Wikipedia community at large (who are more likely to find these if they are in article space).

WHAT???

Yes, we've gone live.  :)

This puts pressure on us to get the blatantly incomplete elements of these outlines done. The only glaring problem is the government branches sections. These need to be corrected ASAP.

I've mentioned THE GOVERNMENT BRANCHES SECTIONS many times to many people over the past year, but the problem just doesn't seem to have been taken seriously. So let me put it another way:

HELP!!! I need your help on this now. Almost all the countries have a government with an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. The links for these branches need to be completed for each country outline:

Here's a convenient list you can use WP:LINKY on to access and edit these quickly. Please copy the list's link to the top of your talk page so that you can access it easily.

If you spot any standardization in links, and ways we can automate parts of this process, or for groups of countries that have links in common, please let me know!

Administrative support for outlines

There has been growing pressure on me to write up the administrative pages for outlines - their instructions, guidelines, etc. Therefore, I'm now in the process of composing these. Fortunately, it is mostly a matter of gathering material from messages I've written to you guys over the past year. Still, this is taking up most of my time, and I will be buried in these for the foreseeable future.

Traffic control

The next big task after the government branches sections are cleaned up is link support for the outlines.

There's quite a list of links and notices that need to be put in place around Wikipedia, providing access to them to readers, and alerting editors to the need to develop and maintain these pages. This will keep our bot people very busy (and happy).

But the most important thing right now is to get the government branches sections completed. So please, put your bots aside, roll up your shirt sleeves, and start typing.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    02:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Geography WikiProject update - 03/15/2009

You commented on the awards effort when it was just getting started a long while back - I thought you might like to see the end results...

The award images are complete!

After months of toil and attention to detail, Penubag has completed the set of images for this WikiProject's awards!

There are five race ribbons:

There's an engraved medallion:

And by far the hardest to create, a golden trophy:

If you are interested in the contests and collaborations that will feature these awards, drop me a note.

And be sure to pop by Penubag's talk page to let him know what you think of his graphics artistry.

The Transhumanist    22:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Map of the nuclear power stations

Hi, Mifter. There is a discussion about missing countries and incorrect data on the File:Nuclear power station.svg. Beagel ( talk) 11:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

retiring

By. i've just had enough. Chubb enna itor 21:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

VPC Re-Nom

Care to weigh in again? ~ ωαdεstεr16 «talk stalk» 04:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I can pick up this job for your bot, if you like. Would you still be interested in running it? —  neuro (talk) (review) 12:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Outline of knowledge project summary, and future direction

In response to a friend on Wikipedia who was wondering about how I've been and what I've been up to, I got to spewing about our little endeavor, and well, I got so carried away I pretty much told him everything.  :) The message turned out to be a pretty good summary of what we've accomplished so far and the overall plan.

See User talk:The Rambling Man#What's up?

The Transhumanist    23:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Do not read this one - The Hunt - Outline of knowledge WikiProject - 04/17/2009

Here's a trivia question for you...

While surveying libraries, their outline-related resources, and our coverage of them, I came across something funny...

What subclass is the Bible in the Library of Congress Classification?

Do you think they'd like this one at WP:DYK?

(Nope. They didn't.)     :)

Libraries

For months, I've been sitting at a terminal in one of the largest libraries in the country, and I haven't even looked around at the available resources.

Until a few days ago.

I'm overwhelmed.

When compared to libraries, Wikipedia is small. (See Digest of Education Statistics 2008, Chapter 7:Libraries and Educational Technology Libraries, and turn to page 617).

But is that a fair comparison?

Yes.

Why?

Because we have growth potential.  :)

And we cover everything, including libraries!

Guess what else I found?

Hunting for outlines

I began to study libraries and librarians, since they are experts in organizing knowledge. And of course I turned to Wikipedia to see what we had on the things I came across...

And while doing so I kept running into outlines on Wikipedia that are not (yet) part of the Outline of knowledge.

When I come across non-OOK outlines, generally I rename them, and reformat them to our standard outline format. But there is the occasional exception.

Here are some outlines I just added:

  1. List of energy topics --> Outline of energy (it converted great)
  2. List of Dewey Decimal classes --> Outline of Dewey Decimal classes (no conversion)
  3. Library of Congress Classification --> ??? (no rename, no conversion)

The last 2 are outlines by their very nature, and so our standard outline subheadings didn't seem to fit. So I left them as is.

I renamed the first 2, but the last one is the name of the outline, that is, the topic itself is an outline, and that outline is presented as the article's content, so I left the name as is. For now. This needs more thought.

Of course, that's not all. Concerning those last 2 outlines above...

Alternate outlines of knowledge

...not only are they outlines, but they are outlines of knowledge! Well, the top few levels, at least.

Uh, so?

What happens if we linkify them?  :)

That is, what happens if we linkify their classifications to Wikipedia's outlines?  :)   :)   :)

They become alternate top ends to the OOK

Yep.

What can you find?

I challenge you to find some "hidden" outlines.

I dare you to take a look around Wikipedia for hidden outlines (that is, outlines not yet hooked into the OOK), and add your kills to WP:WPOOK#The hunt for hidden outlines.

My trophies are already there.

May the hunt begin!

The Transhumanist    20:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple questions for you...

What are the benefits of a tree structure?

The article doesn't say.

I'm interested, because I need to explain the benefits in the guideline on outlines I'm writing. (Outlines are a type of tree structure).

I've also asked the question at various reference desks, and these threads may help to jump start your brain on this question.  :)

What are the benefits of outlines, over and above regular articles?

What benefits have you noticed?

How are Wikipedia's outlines useful to you?

I look forward to your answers on my talk page.

The Transhumanist    04:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Contest proposal

A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We need to know how this contest should be run, and what problems to look out for.

The Transhumanist    17:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Has the shit hit the fan? - WPOOK update, 05/25/2009

Maybe...

We've started the next phase

I was experiencing mental block on the article draft for "outline" and on the outline guideline draft. And this was holding the whole project back. Without these (which are intended to explain the type of lists known as outlines in detail), the danger is higher that a controversy could go the wrong way.

I requested help on them, but there was none forthcoming.

So I went ahead and started us on the next phase of operations without those 2 pages...

Our AWB'ers and I have placed about 1600 notices all over Wikipedia. And the plan is to place several thousand more.

This generated only one complaint, but it was a very vocal one, and attracted a few other detractors who seemed unfamiliar with the concept of hierarchical outlines and their benefits. However, just as many or more editors came to the defense of the OOK, and there was no consensus formed. But, dab is still trying to rally opposition to outlines at the Village Pump. See below...

Administrator noticeboard incident and Village Pump policy discussion

It appears that the banner placed on the talk page of the Outline of Switzerland caught the attention of an editor named Dbachmann who posted a rather forceful message on my talk page, another on WT:WPOOK, another at WP:VPP, and still another at WP:AN!

He went well out of his way to use negative hype to cause a stir.

It appears that Mr. Bachmann doesn't understand the nature of hierarchical outlines and their applications. And though he implied that he has never seen an OOK outline before, he was involved with a discussion on these when they were called "lists of basic topics".

His primary argument is that outlines are content forks of articles, and violate WP:CFORK.

But "topic lists", of which outlines are a type, have been around for almost as long as Wikipedia, and fall under the WP:LISTS and WP:STAND guidelines. They aren't intended as forks, as they are lists, bringing the benefits of lists to the corresponding subjects, such as grouping and navigation.

Someone suggested an MfD, but lists are articles, and are within the jurisdiction of AfD. Only the portal page, which merely lists the outline articles, falls within the scope of the MfD department.

The administrator's noticeboard was considered the wrong venue for the discussion, and the discussion was closed.

But Dab's discussion at the Village Pump is still active. Hopefully level heads will prevail there too.

Now what?

Am I disheartened or deterred? Hell no. I say "full steam ahead!"

But we really need to finish the article draft and the guideline. Otherwise there will continue to be confusion.

Over the next week or two, we'll be posting another 1600 or so notices. It's a good thing we didn't send out 10,000 of them all at once.  :)

The Transhumanist    23:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: Another related thread has popped up at WP:VPR#OoK's expediency. --TT   04:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Memphis May Fire

Hello! Your submission of Memphis May Fire at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Jamie S93 15:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

+++ URGENT REPLY +++ I do not recall uploading image Xx and I do not recognize it. (talk) 19:35, 31 May 2009 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christine T ( talkcontribs)

DYK for Elk Creek (Rogue River)

Updated DYK query On May 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elk Creek (Rogue River), which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royal broil 20:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: DYK

Thanks Mifter! I shall take a look at that review too. SGGH ping! 22:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Hi Mifter,

I noticed whilst lurking your RfA that you were versed in WP:DYK. I was interested in becoming involved in that branch of the project and I was hoping that you could perhaps give me a sort of mentorship if you have the time. Ie I would run my opinions by you and see if you agreed, asked questions, and asked you to explain different functions of DYK. If you are interested and have the time, I would greatly appreciate it :) If you deem to reply, please do so on my talk. MacMed talk stalk 02:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

rfa

I added questions. Cheers, and best wishes on you RFA Dloh cierekim 00:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I just answered you questions and that's for the good wishes :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 01:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I actually already thought you were an admin, Mifter. Good luck with your RfA! Jamie S93 15:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Good luck, if I may, I'll be able to use my little known rfa template: Mifter ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). It comes in handy when you want to refer to why and how the editor was nominated, but I definitely think the project needs more admins like you. And here is a little DYK of my own: Articles with a WP: prefix will automatically redirect to Wikipedia: namespace. Try it! – BuickCentury Driver 03:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Mifter, I added a few questions at your RfA. You're a nice editor, and essentially, I want you to prove me wrong and show that you'll do well managing the delete button. Otherwise, I haven't really seen evidence that you have an intuition with deletion (it's a feel sometimes, rather than following every rule and pattern). I know how RfAs can be stressing, so don't feel too rushed to answer my questions. Best, Jamie S93 22:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

In this case, I'd be happy to prove you wrong, I get what you mean about doing things by feel and not just policy, and I'm on IRC in wikipedia-en, if you would like to talk to me about any concerns you may have :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 22:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure, take your time. :-) A couple of the questions don't have "correct" answers, but instead are meant to give me and others a feel for how you would approach situations. I've only been a sysop for a few weeks, but it's already been a mix of very clear, easy decisions, and also ones that take some minutes of thought. For me, early on I would often see cases at CAT:SD that would be kind of perplexing, but would just watch and leave them alone. Over time, I've started to make more of those decisions (declining speedies, etc.), and thus far nobody has yelled at me. ;-) If you become an admin, I think you should be alright if you take this kind of approach, as you mentioned at your RfA; start with easy cases, and observe. Cheers, Jamie S93 23:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Heh, ironically enough that was virtually identical to the strategy that I am planning on adopting if I get the bit, I am going to focus on the "easy" csd categories first e.g. orphan talk pages, etc, and then I would work my way out and if I got confused, I would wait to see how other editors/admins would handle it :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 23:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
As a simple nudge, do you plan on answering my other RfA questions? I believe it's been all of 4 days. Cheers, Jamie S93 17:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I voted against you......

But congrastulations. I hope you are successfull in your attempt as admin. Cheers Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 23:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

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oh my goodness

What do you have against me and my articles? I put them up because that is what I feel I should do, and then you go and delete them?? For goodness sake, go and delete someone else's article. So far you have deleted my page twice! Who do you think you are to go ruining someones happiness and occupation?????

I don't get you. There are no words to describe the level of anger and contempt I feel for you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christy.lee.cherry ( talkcontribs) 02:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


Please leave my articles alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christy.lee.cherry ( talkcontribs) 02:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey there Christy, I'm sorry that your upset that your article was deleted, if you would like, I can e-mail you a copy of both versions of the article that were deleted if you would like to try to improve the article. The main thing that was wrong with the article was that it didn't show why it was notable and a reason for it to be included on Wikipedia, also the way the article was written was like an advertisement which could be considered WP:SPAM. If you would be able to improve the article to pass WP:V using some WP:RS and if you could also get the article WP:N, then the article would be fine for inclusion and it would not be deleted. If you have any questions about improving the article, or any questions in general, please feel free to ask me :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 02:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Queues

Hey, first off congrats on becoming an admin but in an hour Queue 5 will update and the bot that updates the template will then update Queue 6 however that one is empty, because you accidentally moved the hooks from prep 1 to Queue 1. If you get this message before it is changed, please fix that. Cheers,-- Giants27 ( t| c| r| s) 02:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops, thats my mistake, I'll fix that now :P. All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 03:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem, everyone makes mistakes at sometimes (God knows I do ;))-- Giants27 ( t| c| r| s) 03:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done :). Best, Mifter ( talk) 03:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats admin!

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Congratulations! - Dank ( push to talk) 22:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Best wishes for your new administrative venture. :-) Jamie S93 23:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Congrats! I've taken the liberty of bumping you from the DYK non-admin helpers to the willing to help admins. Shubinator ( talk) 00:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Congrats! Good luck, Otis Jimmy One 01:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, well done. I'm glad your RFA, in the end, did pass. I was a little worried :) All the best, Steve Crossin Talk/ Help us mediate! 04:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Congrats Mifter! I knew you could do it :). Malinaccier ( talk) 05:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

My congrats to you as well, good luck with the tools! – BuickCentury Driver 08:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


Congratulations. Here is some terrific advice I received from the puppy when I received my shiny new mop:
  1. Remember you will always protect the wrong version.
  2. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5)
  3. Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll.
  4. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block.
  5. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology.
  6. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able.
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What?

What the hell, why did you delete my article? -- Brad Polard ( talk) 18:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey their Brad, I deleted your both of your articles because of two separate reasons, the one with an IP address as a title, because it appeared to be a test page, because the only content on the page was "Hi", and I deleted the article Bradley Polard because it didn't show why it was notable and why it deserved to be included in an encyclopedia, if you would like, I can e-mail you a copy of one or both articles so you can work on them and re-introduce them as articles later one once they pass WP:N and WP:V. If you would like more guidance on writing articles, you can see WP:FIRST for some tips. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask :). Thanks and All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 19:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

reply quickly

why did you delete my page jack crisp for no reason it wasnt hurting anyone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.208.111 ( talk) 19:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey their, I deleted Jack Crisp because it appeared to be a nonsense page and because of that it fit under WP:CSD#G1. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 19:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

United States presidential election in California, 2008

You recently semi-protected the article United States presidential election in California, 2008 after Jerzeykydd made a request. He has been removing parts of the article and the matter is being discussed here. I believe that he made the request thinking he could circumvent discussing the matter. I wanted to bring this to your attention because the semi-protection does not effect any of the parties involved (all are established editors) and because I believe Jerzeykydd's request was unwarranted. – Zntrip 21:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I hadn't seen that, I took Jerzeykydd's word (in his edit summaries) when he said he had done the reverts to revert vandalism and that he was not reverting to attempt to force his opinion on an article, and I was unaware of the discussion on the talk page, I have unprotected the article being that the protection was unwarranted, and by the way I commend you for trying to work out your dispute calmly and by not edit warring or making personal attacks :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 21:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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Message from Carnager666

I have spend whole day, breaking my head, just figure it out about the all codes. And after a few hours I make it to "write the article" .(about the "Angelgoat", which you have delete it) After a while, I got the message, with the "nomination of deletion". And why is that? Because some stupid policy of this web site, which I have intentions to never visit this site again! Fuck you all... I hope you get a lot of this kind of e-mails. And tell me how not to be angry?? It`s idiotic... The websites should have more visit, not to push the people away, which you make it to do. I can ask you nicely to delete my account. Thanks you.

Carnager666 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carnager666 ( talkcontribs) 06:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey there, Personally, I liked the article that you wrote about the band Angelgoat, but the reason that I had to delete the article is because it had no indication of Notability and it had no reliable third party sources to ensure that its contents were verifiable, if you would like, I can e-mail you the contents of the article or I could move it to your userpage and if you can find some sources to indicate why your article should be in an encyclopedia, then it would be a fine article to have on Wikipedia. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to ask me. All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 21:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I have not canvassed ONCE.

Please explain to me where I have canvassed? I have not done this at ALL! RMThompson ( talk) 21:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey there, their is a discussion here about this forum topic, you may wish to join the discussion there. Just a note though, it is generally not considered good practice to go to official forums and talk about what you have done to their respective Wikipedia article in an effort to garner support. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 21:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Memphis May Fire

Updated DYK query On June 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Memphis May Fire, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Protection

I suspect that the re-commencement of vandalism can be explained by the unfortunate timing of the expiry of the previous protection, which was almost to the minute the time that the person appeared prominently in the news. Uncle G ( talk) 00:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Your RfA

Many thanks, and congratulations on your adminship! I was not aware that you had opened an RfA, and apologise for not being observant enough to go and lend my support. Seems you didn't need it anyway, but I'm glad that you found what little help I was able to give you a useful aid. Regards, SGGH ping! 10:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Very useful indeed!

The Original Barnstar
I've just started to use your "Easy DYK Link Script", and I just know it's going to save me lots of time and effort when I'm dashing around between different pages, as I do all the time. Many thanks for having and implementing this nifty idea! Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!) 20:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad you like the script :), I have been using a different version of the same .js for a while now and I thought that other users could benefit from the the same script, so I put it into its own script for other users to use and benefit from :). If you have any suggestions for improving the script, I would be happy to hear them :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 20:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
One thing I've just spotted: the link to T:DYK/Queue 6 isn't working because it's pointing to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/ rather than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/6. Just needs an extra "6" added at the end, I suppose. Cheers, Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!) 22:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done I fixed the link :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 22:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Terrence Wheatley

why did you delete everything i added. I put endnotes and cited the websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewedel09 ( talkcontribs) 00:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for adding Torsten Andersson to DYK ! -- Hapsala ( talk) 09:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow.

That was the fastest deleting I have ever seen! Keep up the good work!-- gordonrox24 ( talk) 23:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply

Hey Mifter. :-) One of our judges is fine with stepping down, so have fun being the DYK judge! :) Meetare Shappy Cunkelfratz! 01:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you restore this image? It was removed from Caesars Palace by an unregistered user. Thanks. -- Svgalbertian ( talk) 19:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

24.94.18.58

 Done, I just restored the image for you :). All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The Lover

Whoever submitted the DYK proposal for this article was wrong. It definitely wasn't the first Western film to be made in Vietnam. The Quiet American was filmed in Saigon in 1957 and released in 1958. LargoLarry ( talk) 18:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The DYK is factually correct. See Talk:The Lover (film)#"The first Western film to be shot in Vietnam". Vietnam being the reunified Vietnam The Quiet American was filmed in South Vietnam, not just Vietnam. It is a semantic difference only, and the article has been clarified. If you read the rest of the thread, you'll likely see the real motivation behind this silly attempt at discrediting the DYK. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 19:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
The DYK is not "factually correct". On the discussion page for the article at The Lover, Collectonian claimed it's a matter of "semantics", which it isn't. There is a huge difference between saying a film was the first one ever made in Vietnam and the first one made there after the reunification of the country. Collectonian claims anyone with a basic knowledge of the history of Vietnam would know what she meant. Since when is someone required to know the history of a related subject in order to fully understand the article he's reading? Aren't the facts in any given article supposed to be accurate instead of saying "Well you should already know this in order to understand that"? LargoLarry ( talk) 13:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, whatever your personal issue is, get over it already. User:Hamiltonstone‎ also told you the DYK is correct. Vietnam != South Vietnam. The Lover is the first film ever shot in the country of Vietnam is an accurate statement. Before then, films were shot in South Vietnam. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 13:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks so much for granting me rollback, and I promise that if I ever abuse it in the slightest you may give me a whack with a wet trout. Stainedglasscurtain ( talk) 23:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

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you're block was completely unjustified, i was reverted the vandalism caused by the user, I even reported this to the admin noticeboard which the IP user was blocked, but created a same account, what else can I do but revert the edits because he was removing references. the 3 revert system is completely rubbish, first review edits and then block, abuse of power. Bangali71 ( talk) 11:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey there, I'm sorry that your unhappy that I was forced to block you, but you violated WP:3rr because your reverts did not match any of the exemptions to the 3rr listed here, the users edits you undid were not obvious vandalism and as such were not exempt from the 3rr. For the future, you should attempt to discuss why you think that the user's edits are not constructive before reverting them and then if they don't respond, then consider asking for administrator help/advice before continuing to revert the user. Thanks and All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 16:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, in the future please remember to stay WP:CIVIL I noticed that on Talk:Murad Qureshi you have been a little sarcastic and a little less than civil in some situations, so just keep that in mind to ensure that you don't get blocked for incivility ;) and also be sure not to make personal attacks (Saying an admin has abused their tools can be construed as a personal attack in some situations although I'm pretty sure you didn't mean for it to sound that way ;) ), All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 16:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

IP indef block template

Thanks for supplying that. The page they've been repeatedly editing has been semi-ed now, so if you think we should unblock in case it's a dynamic IP, feel free. -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 21:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:DYK for Tales of Monkey Island

Thanks for letting me know about that! I'd have missed it otherwise. I'd given up on that a week ago, figuring it had past its sell-by date. -- Sabre ( talk) 23:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your Support!

I am very grateful that you enabled rollback on my account. Another easy way to counter the vandals...with Huggle:)As a result, here's a cookie:

  • P.S. How do I put the rollbacker icon in the upper-right hand corner of my userpage to show I'm a rollbacker like I noticed some other users do?Thanks!:) Schnitzel MannGreek. 01:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

A polite reminder to choose a country, city, state or other place to represent. Your last choice was not one of these and has been removed (sorry, we altered the rules since then). Thanks! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 20:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Pillitteri Estate Winery

Hi Mifter, I tried to create a page for Pillitteri Estates WInery, and you have deleted it very speedily. In creating this page I tried not to spam or advertise, as this winery is a notable winery and I feel worthy of note on Wikipedia because of its size and scope for a Canadian winery, as well as other noteworthy factors only HACCP, Largest Icewine producer, only producor of certain wines, etc... How could I make it more acceptable for the Wikipedia format. I have also had my user name blocked from editing pages. Was it because I used Pillitteri as a user name creating a conflict of interest when I created that article. It was not my intention as I am a supporter of all wines not simply this winery. I have also incorporated reliable source material for the article in attempting to make it relevant, from government websites, internationally recognized wine organizations etc... I had thought this was in line with the WikiWine Project that was ongoing. Thomas_e had advised me to make changes to my original draft, which I thought had been successful in making the article more relevant to wikipedia. Any advice or explanation would be very much appreciated, as I am very interested in mantaining both Wikipedia and my acedemic integrity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.159.182.94 ( talk) 17:20, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

protection

hello. i made a request for page protection. i'd like someone to check it out. thanks!-- camr nag 20:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Han Sai Por

Thanks! By the way, where in the archives does the article appear? I looked but couldn't find it. — Cheers, JackLee talk 05:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The hooks would be found at Wikipedia:Recent additions after they have gotten off the main page. All the Best, Mifter ( talk) 22:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I was a little puzzled because the article was not listed on that page although it had disappeared from the Main Page, but it is now there so it must have been "in transit" somewhere. Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Coleman Coker

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For all your contributions

I decided that you deserve this:

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I hereby award you with this barnstar (one more to your huge collection) for all your contributions about pictures, a very valuable job here in wikipedia. - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ... _Ξ_ . --  20:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, and I want to ask you also: How do you make to put things in the edit section (a box with text only visible when you click the [edit button])?
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