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Sorry for this, I don't know what happened. I know not to do that (same way I don't put notability tags in a multiple bracket, which hides the source lookups). I don't put multiple tags on many articles, but if there's already a tag there, it usually doesn't nest them like that. My apologies. And thanks always for the great effort you put into the URl fixing.23:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping by Onel5969. No worries - I know how that can happen. You are one of several editors who help out by not putting them in MI templates but the occasional slip up is bound to happen. Have you seen this news? I'll apologized right now because I might catch you with an elbow as I push my way to the front of the line :-) Have a great week! MarnetteD| Talk 00:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

A few years ago as a newbie working with bare urls, I was trotting around/between and behind you, learning by example (and your helpful edit summaries) and leaving the occasional intractable problem in your capable hands. Now, I need confirmation of something I "think I learned " from WP, along the way. Archiving: My understanding is that if we run the "fix dead link" tool, and choose "Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)", then the archives will be stored offsite in addition to being added to the article. This makes sense.

At some point, I learned that sponsoring the archives, here on WP, especially in large articles, greatly increased the article size and the download time. So, depending on the article size, I have "Add[ed]archives to all non-dead references". Once complete, I have undone/reverted my edit. Reasoning: The references were now stored elsewhere, and would be available in future, if a link went dead. But the WP article wouldn't be increased in size and download size.

I have no idea where on WP, I read about this method. It is not something my non-technical mind could have come up with on its own. Now, I am giving advice to a new editor, regarding the fix dead links tool and archiving. Can you confirm that this process of archiving/adding archives, and the "undoing" the edit, works as I understand it? I hope you are well...thanks for being a good teacher! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tribe of Tiger. I am hanging in there and I hope you are well as well :-) I have to thank you for the kind compliment first because after that (sadly) I will be letting you down. I only use the fix dead link tool occasionally and I have never known about the offsite storage. The only thing that rings a bell is how things like the wayback machine help with dead links but I think you are asking about something different. Maybe one of my talk page watchers will know or you should be able to get an answer at the WP:VPT. Thanks for all your work here at the 'pedia and for paying forward the teaching to other editors. That is much appreciated!! Best regards. MarnetteD| Talk 05:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

You haven't let me down...good suggestion about VPT, thanks very much! If I discover an answer, I will let you know. Yes, we pass on knowledge, hand to hand, edit summary to reader. And I thank you again for teaching me...the knowledge you imparted, and that I have passed along, has made several new editors very happy! Take care, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Well said Tribe of Tiger. The fact that, together, we have been a help to others brings a nice glow to my week :-) Cheers. MarnetteD| Talk 05:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

An LTA has been tagging you on football rivalry articles like Ball State–Indiana football rivalry, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CalebHughes. If you see a suspicious looking new account starting articles like that, let me know. He's been pestering other users too, and I hate having to delete his articles after you put the effort to fill in the bare refs. Sro23 ( talk) 03:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sro23. I thought something was fishy about the situation, but, as that was the first time I received a ping I WP:AGFed. I'm glad you alerted me to the sock master. No worries on the deletion after I've run refill. Cheers and have a nice week. MarnetteD| Talk 03:38, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven in 1803

The birthday display! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Gerda Arendt. Lots of celebrating going on here :-) Here is a bit of fun from one of Ludwig's biggest admirers. 50 years ago Bernstein taught me so much about Ludwig with this special. Lenny's performance of the Piano Concerto No. 1 (Beethoven) is full of the special joy that was so much a part of his career. MarnetteD| Talk 17:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing! That concerto was on one of the first records my family bought, Friedrich Gulda, Piano Sonata No. 14 on side B. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I choose the Pastoral Symphony. I first encountered it aged 7 in Fantasia, it's still wonderful. A very good choice for Soylent Green (which is only two years away). -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 23:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Fantasia's re-release in the 60s was my first encounter with the 6th as well Redrose64! That led to my second ever purchase of an LP. I can't remember the orchestra but the 6th was conducted by Otto Klemperer. Years later I attended a performance of the Colorado Symphony where his son Werner did the readings that accompany Beethoven's Egmont. That sequence from Soylent Green captured my imagination the first time I saw the film and becomes more special as the years have gone by. Best regards. MarnetteD| Talk 00:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

My copy is by the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra, conducted by Charles Mackerras, recorded in Manchester, November 1994. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 23:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for sorting out the bare URL's a little while ago. However since then a user who was blocked in the last couple of days for 24 hours for similar things, has returned and made a number of edits again including a number of bare URL's. I dont think it should be up to you or anyone else to keep sorting this out. Should we revert these edits as they mainly insignificant changes? Fleet Lists ( talk) 04:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Fleet Lists. I am unfamiliar with the situation you are dealing with so my suggestions might or might not be helpful. If they aren't helpful to the article then they can be reverted but you don't want to wind up in a 3RR situation. You could point out to the admin who blocked that editor that the problematic editing has resumed. You could also go to the talk page for the article and start a thread about the problems - if you haven't already that is. If that article is part of an active wikiproject you can ask for input from the members. The last resort (and I do mean last) is AN/I but you will want to have plenty of examples of the problems before going there. I'm sorry you are having to deal with this aggravation. Best regards. MarnetteD| Talk 04:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing more of the bare URLs I have reported today. Now that the editor concerned has been blocked for a week, I have gone through most articles this editor had changed and identified the bare URls - until now it was not worth doing this as he/she kept changing things. Even in the John Hewson article which you fixed earlier I found another duplicated reference the editor had created since but I managed to fix that myself. I hope it wont get back to this after the editor returns but by some of the edits he has done on his user and talk pages since, I dont expect much. Fleet Lists ( talk) 00:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the update and for all your efforts Fleet Lists. I know how frustrating things can be but just hang in there and know that your work is appreciated. MarnetteD| Talk 01:59, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! I rather clumsily inserted an English translation of Beethoven's "Immortal Beloved" letter today, and you probably were correct in deleting it. However, there is no way whatsoever to read the letter on that page. The only citation is to a published work not accessible online. Folks should be able to actually read the letter, with at least a prominent link somewhere. But I'm a very inexperienced editor. Thanks! Here's a sample translation: https://lettersofnote.com/2011/06/10/immortal-beloved/

66.220.129.249 ( talk) 06:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello 66. Thanks for your message. I think your best bet is to add that "letters of note" url to the "External links" section of the article. Regards. MarnetteD| Talk 17:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Bloomberg doesn't seem to like whichever mechanism you are using to fill citations. See the "Are you a robot?" titles and altered (wrong) URLs in these edits: [1] [2].

Not sure how often you encounter Bloomberg URLs, but might be worth checking your edit history in case this has been happening for a while?

Also, not sure how best to solve this :( Perhaps a word with whoever maintains the citation-filling tool that you use? Zazpot ( talk) 05:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I feel awfully ungracious telling you about this. I'm still grateful for your help filling in the citations! I just thought that you should know about the issue. Zazpot ( talk) 06:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Argh Zazpot. I usually catch those. You have to click on the link then prove you are not a bot and then you can copy paste the title of the article into the cite template. It is one of those little annoyances. Your suggestions are good. Sadly, refill is being run in some limbo/alternate universe. It works but nobody on wikipedia itself seems to have any knowledge of the who, where and whys of the thing. I'll go get those. If you see them in the future if you give me the exact ref number that'll make the fix a little easier. MarnetteD| Talk 06:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Ah I see you already took care of them. Many thanks Z. MarnetteD| Talk 06:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again for your perpetual help filling citations. Just spotted an error in this edit of yours. Surnames of authors seem to have been run together with the next author's first name. Might this also (see Bloomberg thread above) be due to another bug in "refill"?

If so, is this the "refill" tool to which you were referring? Thanks, Zazpot ( talk) 21:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Z. The 2 problems are different from each other. The Bloomberg one cannot be fixed at our end. Since their website demands a human click on their page the refill bot will never be able to do that. We just have to be aware of it and perform the necessary fix. That sort of applies to this new snafu. Refill2 is not perfect - it can adapt a large amount of stuff from the website used as a ref but, at times, the way that site lays out its info just will not fit with Refill2's program. Fixes have to be performed at our end and I am always glad for anyone to improve what I have done. I apologize that I can't catch everything but would appreciate any cleanup that you know is necessary. As to your last question that Zhaofeng_Li/reFill was one of two tools (the other was reflinks but it was turned off awhile ago and it is still sorely missed) that were available when I started working on bare urls. Zhaofeng has retired and the tool has gone through several changes since then. Several of us have tried to get the lowdown on who is maintaining it so we can make suggestions for improvements and have received no usable info. I seem to remember seeing one post that said the tool is being maintained somewhere other than Wikipedia but that was at least a year ago and things are changing all the time. Best wishes to ya this holiday season. MarnetteD| Talk 21:48, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks :-) I grokked that the Bloomberg issue was CAPTCHA-related ^[a]; but I was unsure to what extent the names-running-together issue might also be due (at least in part) to refill. Your reply was super-helpful; thanks again :-)

		Happy Festivus!
		Here's wishing you a happy Festivus! May you emerge victorious from the Feats of Strength; may your list of Grievances be short; may your days be filled with Festivus Miracles. Zazpot ( talk) 22:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC); edited 22:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Many many thanks for the Festivus wishes Z. After the year we've lived through I fear that the airing of grievances may take many hours or even days to complete :-) MarnetteD| Talk 22:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! And Happy Christmas! DonQuixote ( talk) 03:20, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you DonQuixote :-) MarnetteD| Talk 04:47, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for improving the biography of Carmine Zoccali. To give visibility to one to the most important living nephrologist, being not a good "Wikipedian", but only a M.D. used to writing scientific papers, I have "copied" (really transliterated) the biography of another important colleague (Kamyar Kalantar-Zadeh). I apologize for mistakes and appreciate your valuable help. Now I ask you for a further little help to continue to improve the page: can be you so kind to indicate some sentence in the Carmine Zoccali page containing a "primary source" , because I can try to add or transform it in secondary or tertiary source. Thanks again and have an happy, healthy (!) and tranquil 2021 from warm, but troubled, deep south of Italy

PS. I see just now that the picture in /info/en/?search=Reggio_Calabria is a terrible fake . This not Reggio Calabria!! I will try to correct this, but you can see my town in italian Wiki https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggio_Calabria Again warm greetings

-- Mauro561 ( talk) 10:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mauro561. Thank you for your message. I have made a couple more edits Dr. Zoccali's article including removal of the "primary source" tag as there are almost no refs that are from a primary source. As to the picture I am not sure what to do. With this edit Vituzzu replaced a dodgy pic with one that had been there before. You might double check with that editor about what is going on and/or you can post a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italy. Best regards and Felice Anno Nuovo to you and your family. MarnetteD| Talk 23:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thany you MarnetteD really a big help for me! You resolved all problems! I will discuss about the picture with Vituzzu Again felice anno nuovo! Dr. Maurizio Postorino AKA Mauro561 ( talk)

Is there an easy procedure you recommend for formatting a reference that is a google books link? Thank you. RJFJR ( talk) 22:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

RJFJR Citer formats them quite nicely. Just copy the bare url and past it into the top line and click on submit. You will want to double check the completed ref to make sure things are correct - especially the title. Also, it does use this template <ref name="name">text of the citation</ref> that allows for multiple uses of the same ref so I just cut the completed citation from between the ref tags and paste it into the ref tags that are already in the article. Citer works on several kinds of urls that refill2 doesn't fix but the one thing it can't handle is PDFs. Those still have to be done manually. Best regards and I hope that your last week of 2020 is a pleasant one. MarnetteD| Talk 23:11, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Happy Holidays! RJFJR ( talk) 00:59, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

You are welcome :-) MarnetteD| Talk 02:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

	The Citation Barnstar
	For fixing bare urls on Cedar Slope, California and Loyalton Fire, very appreciated! 🔥 Lightning Complex Fire🔥 (always ping me when replying) 21:57, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks LightningComplexFire. I am glad I could help. Best wishes to ya. MarnetteD| Talk 22:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at the IP edits on Betty Boop, Helen Kane, and Baby Esther. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Beyond My Ken. I saw your 3rr report as well. Definitely someone who has an axe to grind. I'm trying to finish up a couple things before heading off to dreamland. I'll have more time tomorrow (hopefully) My very best wishes to you for 2021 :-) MarnetteD| Talk 04:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

And the same to you! Beyond My Ken ( talk) 05:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)